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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #4322
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,170 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    eagle eye wrote: »
    How do you decide I'm claiming to be a doctor when I said I'm not?
    I think you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

    So now that we know you have no medical qualifications. How on earth could you possibly be in a position to say he has dementia?

    Can you provide any unedited interviews or speeches that convinced you he has dementia?


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    #4323
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Because he isn't capable now maybe so it's only going to get worse?

    Genuinely puzzled you say that..what exactly leads you to the conclusion Joe Biden isn't 'capable'? Capable of what?

    I've listened to his podcasts, his debates and only a few days ago he made a live speech regarding the ongoing situation in regard to the death of George Floyd, where he spoke eloquently and empathically. According to George Floyd's brother, he called him well before the president bothered and guess who left the better impression?

    He was Vice President for 8 years (and by all accounts, was well liked and eminently 'capable'). Is this dementia line in any way verifiable, or is it just a smear tactic that's caught fire and taken hold? I see no signs of such - honestly, I don't!

    People say, is he the best they could come up with? Well, like, there were numerous contenders for the nomination - after many polls, debates and votes, he was democratically chosen above all the others. If Beto O'Rourke, or Corey Booker or Elizabeth Warren were better contenders, they should have easily beaten the old man with dementia, no?

    Or maybe it's simply by virtue of his age he's being labelled as feeble minded? Which would be kinda stupid really. Plenty of people in their 70s have very sharp minds and are well able to hold important jobs well into their 70s and beyond. I dunno, I'm clearly not seeing the evidence of dementia others are...and my grandfather had it!


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    #4324
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Sorry what relevance is that?

    Donald Trump is a buffoon and a gobshyte. I'm not claiming otherwise. He says flat out stupid and ridiculous stuff all the time. That suggests that he's a twat. Not that he has dementia. Rewind to Trump 20 years ago and I'd say he was every bit the mouth that he is now.

    I was asked why I think Biden won't last 4 years in the Whitehouse. Not for my opinion on Donald Trump.

    You dont see the relevance? Biden messes up a word/line and he has dementia

    Trump does the same and no one beats an eyelid


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    #4325
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Trump has always been the favourite with the bookies to win... well not anymore. He and Biden are now tied at evens odds, and that appears to just be down to the formality of the primaries not being over. The democrats are now 4/5 to win the presidency compared to the republicans at evens odds, while Trump not being reflected is only 8/11.

    We all know the popular vote doesn't win the election over there, but Biden is 1/3 odds on to win by 5mn+ votes (for reference Clinton won by 3mn but lost the election, and in 2012 Obama won by 4.9mn).


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    #4326
    Richard Hillman
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    OK then, if he isn't developing dementia (and it really looks like he is) I think we can all agree that there is some sort of cognitive decline going on with Joe Biden. And I'm not just talking about age.


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    #4327
    osarusan
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    Tbf, people on here and elsewhere have been talking about Trump having dementia for quite some time, and I doubt they have the medical qualifications either.

    Just a lazy line to throw in.


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    #4328
    MadYaker
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    OK then, if he isn't developing dementia (and it really looks like he is) I think we can all agree that there is some sort of cognitive decline going on with Joe Biden. And I'm not just talking about age.

    What unedited video interviews or speeches did you watch that made you think he has dementia?


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    #4329
    [Deleted User]
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    OK then, if he isn't developing dementia (and it really looks like he is) I think we can all agree that there is some sort of cognitive decline going on with Joe Biden. And I'm not just talking about age.

    Based on his performance in the debate against Bernie, he is not suffering from cognitive decline.


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    #4330
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,819 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    MadYaker wrote:
    So now that we know you have no medical qualifications. How on earth could you possibly be in a position to say he has dementia?
    Personal experience. I was the one who called for both my grandparents to be brought to their gp's for testing and recommended same for three of their friends and all were confirmed to be in the early stages of dementia. That's my personal experience. I've seen those same things in Joe Biden on TV.
    MadYaker wrote:
    Can you provide any unedited interviews or speeches that convinced you he has dementia?
    Just go watch all the Democratic nominee debates.


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    #4331
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I wouldn't be too worried if I were Trump. If the current social unrest is over in a months time, nobody will be caring come November. It will be all about the economy.

    One thing that I am noting is that it's not the black folk on the street that are blaming Trump, its the blue tick twitterers and the media.

    Essentially what will happen come November is that a large section of Black folk will be too disillusioned to vote for either party.


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    #4332
    MadYaker
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    So that’s a no then, you can’t provide any evidence. Nobody can. I wonder why that is??


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    #4333
    eagle eye
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    dark crystal wrote:
    I've listened to his podcasts, his debates and only a few days ago he made a live speech regarding the ongoing situation in regard to the death of George Floyd, where he spoke eloquently and empathically. According to George Floyd's brother, he called him well before the president bothered and guess who left the better impression?
    You seen all his live debates and have no concerns? May I suggest you go get tested yourself?


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    #4334
    eagle eye
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    MadYaker wrote:
    So that’s a no then, you can’t provide any evidence. Nobody can. I wonder why that is??
    Yes all the live democratic debates present a lot if evidence.


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    #4335
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Yes all the live democratic debates present a lot if evidence.

    You have no medical background. You are not in a position to make the claim and you find any excuse in general to oppose Biden.


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    #4336
    Carfacemandog
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I wouldn't be too worried if I were Trump. If the current social unrest is over in a months time, nobody will be caring come November. It will be all about the economy.
    They're on course for a recession on par with the great depression, and that was before these riots occurred. They've gone from 3.5% unemployment in January to 20% and rising now. They're f*cked, basically.


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    #4337
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    eagle eye wrote: »
    You seen all his live debates and have no concerns? May I suggest you go get tested yourself?
    eagle eye wrote: »
    Yes all the live democratic debates present a lot if evidence.

    In your opinion, they show evidence of concern, in my opinion, they clearly do not.

    It's an easy slur to throw out without evidence, just as it's an easy insult to throw at posters who disagree with your point of view.

    Tell me, why do you think Biden was selected to run if he was so clearly mentally deficient?


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    #4338
    DrPhilG
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    you find any excuse in general to oppose Biden.

    In fairness I'm new to this thread, so I have no idea if your claim about eagle eye is correct.

    But I have no dog in the fight. I just wanted a genuine opinion about who you all think will win. I'm not coming in with an agenda as you say eagle eye is doing.

    I'm not a doctor (despite the username) but I'm just giving an opinion and that is after watching a fair bit of Biden's debates, interviews and rallies, I think he's showing signs of dementia. I'm not saying he's dribbling in his bib and can't string a sentence togwther but his list of slip ups are growing.

    Like I say, I do think Biden will win. I just don't know if he'll see the end of his term. I had hoped to have a civil discussion about the election but which is why I said in my first post that I didn't want to engage with one sided opinions, like those you have highlighted.


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    #4339
    [Deleted User]
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    The thing is, those slip ups are something he's been doing for 30 years. He's known for it.


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    #4340
    DrPhilG
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The thing is, those slip ups are something he's been doing for 30 years. He's known for it.

    Fair enough, I didn't know that.

    From the older footage I've seen of him he seems like a bit of a waffler, but didn't necessarily seem confused like in a lot of the recent instances.


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    #4341
    duploelabs
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    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Fair enough, I didn't know that.

    From the older footage I've seen of him he seems like a bit of a waffler, but didn't necessarily seem confused like in a lot of the recent instances.

    He also suffered a lot from a stammer when he's younger, if you know anyone who has had treatment for one then you'll know they will still stumble over their words later in life


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    #4342
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    The Nal wrote: »
    Vague, paranoid, evidence free posting there

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/history-surveillance-and-black-community
    Government surveillance programs, most infamously the FBI’s “COINTELPRO”, targeted Black Americans fighting against segregation and structural racism in the 1950s and 60s. COINTELPRO, short for Counter Intelligence Program, was started in 1956 by the FBI and continued until 1971. The program was a systemic attempt to infiltrate, spy on, and disrupt activists in the name of “national security.]


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    #4343
    [Deleted User]
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/history-surveillance-and-black-community

    I think most people are aware of that at this stage although it's incredibly historical and generally occurred under the watch of Hoover. The fact remains, one world order's claim that the mainstream media are part of some deep state is a vague and rather baseless claim.

    Deep State seems to be more the go to of Trump fans to explain away failures of the administration.


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    #4344
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,819 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You have no medical background. You are not in a position to make the claim and you find any excuse in general to oppose Biden.
    I've been consistent all along about my concerns regarding him being in the early stages of dementia. I posted other stuff in other threads that are also concerning. I've never called him a nickname or anything like that. I'm pro-Democrat over Republican although I'm not happy with how the Democrats have acted over the last five or six years. I'm talking about the DNP here, not Obama.
    American politics is in an awful state and I'm not sure it's going to recover anytime soon. Somebody like Cuomo is needed to lead the country imo.
    dark crystal wrote: »
    In your opinion, they show evidence of concern, in my opinion, they clearly do not.

    It's an easy slur to throw out without evidence, just as it's an easy insult to throw at posters who disagree with your point of view.

    Tell me, why do you think Biden was selected to run if he was so clearly mentally deficient?
    Biden was losing out and I think it was due to his performances in the debates. Suddenly all that's left are two what would be considered in the US to be left leaning candidates and him, the DNP don't want socialist candidates so Biden gets their support.
    DrPhilG wrote: »
    In fairness I'm new to this thread, so I have no idea if your claim about eagle eye is correct.

    But I have no dog in the fight. I just wanted a genuine opinion about who you all think will win. I'm not coming in with an agenda as you say eagle eye is doing.

    I'm not a doctor (despite the username) but I'm just giving an opinion and that is after watching a fair bit of Biden's debates, interviews and rallies, I think he's showing signs of dementia. I'm not saying he's dribbling in his bib and can't string a sentence togwther but his list of slip ups are growing.

    Like I say, I do think Biden will win. I just don't know if he'll see the end of his term. I had hoped to have a civil discussion about the election but which is why I said in my first post that I didn't want to engage with one sided opinions, like those you have highlighted.
    Don't mind the attacks on me, I don't. That's social media type bull and lies. I've been stating my concerns about Biden for a long time now. Those who despise Trump and are pro-Democrat can't stand anything negative about their leading candidate, that was Bernie Sanders a few months back and now it's Biden and they got the same level of protection from these posters at different times. They particularly don't like me and are looking for any avenue of attack because while I'm very concerned about Biden I've also stated that Trump is the worst President in US history.
    You see normally it's easy for them to just dismiss somebody as a delusional Trump supporter but they can't do that with me because I'm clearly anti-Trump.
    I'm just honest about what I see and I'm not afraid to say it. I don't just sit back and think everything will be ok because there is a democrat candidate, I want a good candidate not somebody I can't trust in the White House. Unfortunately unless something happens with Biden to force his withdrawal we are going to be stuck with somebody I can't trust in the White House until 2024. It doesn't matter who wins, that will be the case.


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    #4345
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,170 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    In fairness I'm new to this thread, so I have no idea if your claim about eagle eye is correct.

    But I have no dog in the fight. I just wanted a genuine opinion about who you all think will win. I'm not coming in with an agenda as you say eagle eye is doing.

    I'm not a doctor (despite the username) but I'm just giving an opinion and that is after watching a fair bit of Biden's debates, interviews and rallies, I think he's showing signs of dementia. I'm not saying he's dribbling in his bib and can't string a sentence togwther but his list of slip ups are growing.

    Like I say, I do think Biden will win. I just don't know if he'll see the end of his term. I had hoped to have a civil discussion about the election but which is why I said in my first post that I didn't want to engage with one sided opinions, like those you have highlighted.

    You say you don’t have an agenda yet earlier in the thread you praised trumps disastrous handling of coronavirus and tried to tell us all Biden is senile. Ok buddy.

    Everyone has an agenda.


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    #4346
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think most people are aware of that at this stage although it's incredibly historical and generally occurred under the watch of Hoover. The fact remains, one world order's claim that the mainstream media are part of some deep state is a vague and rather baseless claim.

    Deep State seems to be more the go to of Trump fans to explain away failures of the administration.

    First of all many White people marched alongside the black community in the 60s and 70s and were not Antifa. Of course online the far right media plus Trump and his cronies see the marches as an leftist agenda to overthrow them. In saying all that, the democrats will use this event as a platform to attack Trump and his administration.

    I see this is a protest against the power structure. The elite with help from the politicians looting the US treasury for decades and nobody in the media says anything. Suddenly when the poor black people steal it’s terrible and criminal. While i don’t condone the stealing you can see why young blacks have revolted like this. For a long time the establishment ignored the militarising of the police and the poor communities inside the US got left behind to live in ghettos. Now it's kicked off and some seem shocked this happened. All it needed was the trigger as the anger was already there for decades in the underbelly.

    The official media like CNN will try to blame Trump for this, and ignore their own bias. Obama, Bush and earlier Presidents did nothing to improve the US police force when incidents happened and to blame Trump for all this is nonsense.The Deep state has not changed since the 60s the same career politicians will have their few minutes of speaking time on the news and then go back to the job and forget the black/police crime incident had occurred. The system broke for decades and this is the result.


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    #4347
    DrPhilG
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    You say you don’t have an agenda yet earlier in the thread you praised trumps disastrous handling of coronavirus and tried to tell us all Biden is senile. Ok buddy.

    Everyone has an agenda.

    Like I said, I just wanted a civil discussion. Some seem incapable. Just like they're incapable of admitting that the Trump administration has done some things right.

    The government were too slow to take Covid seriously. Way too slow. They are worthy of condemnation for that.

    But when the demand for ventilators was huge, they met that demand with more to spare. They are worthy of praise for that too.

    Those are facts. Not agenda driven, facts.

    Why is it that its impossible to have a sensible discussion online without eventually being attacked and the conversation ended. This is the kind of stupid mentality that runs American politics.

    Republicans are more concerned with attacking Democrats than doing what's best for the country. Democrats are the exact same on the other side. If you disagree with me that Trump succeeded in providing ventilators to meet the demand, then do so with a reasoned argument rather than just accusing me of having an agenda.

    If you disagree with my opinion that Biden appears to be in early stage dementia, then again you can do so with a reasoned argument as others have done, like duploelabs and protonmike.


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    #4348
    eagle eye
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    I'm not in full agreement with everything in your post DrPhilG but I agree with an awful lot of it.


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    #4349
    DrPhilG
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not in full agreement with everything in your post DrPhilG but I agree with an awful lot of it.

    Uh oh, does that mean I'll be branded a Trumper like you? Lol.


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    #4350
    ohnonotgmail
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    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Like I said, I just wanted a civil discussion. Some seem incapable. Just like they're incapable of admitting that the Trump administration has done some things right.

    The government were too slow to take Covid seriously. Way too slow. They are worthy of condemnation for that.

    But when the demand for ventilators was huge, they met that demand with more to spare. They are worthy of praise for that too.

    Those are facts. Not agenda driven, facts.

    Why is it that its impossible to have a sensible discussion online without eventually being attacked and the conversation ended. This is the kind of stupid mentality that runs American politics.

    Republicans are more concerned with attacking Democrats than doing what's best for the country. Democrats are the exact same on the other side. If you disagree with me that Trump succeeded in providing ventilators to meet the demand, then do so with a reasoned argument rather than just accusing me of having an agenda.

    If you disagree with my opinion that Biden appears to be in early stage dementia, then again you can do so with a reasoned argument as others have done, like duploelabs and protonmike.

    i've watched someone in early stage dementia who is now in a much later stage of dementia. Biden looks nothing like it.


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    #4351
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,819 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    DrPhilG wrote:
    Uh oh, does that mean I'll be branded a Trumper like you? Lol.
    They'll probably come back giving somebody else credit for the ventilators. Probably demand proof on Biden's health and remind you that you are not a doctor but after me posting this maybe they won't.


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