Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 01-06-2020 02:20PM

Blaze420 wrote: »

All remaining phases accelerated to a week maximum between each or he can **** off, dragging things to August isn’t a runner any longer.

...so what are you going to do if the phases aren't accelerated?

Jayesdiem · 01-06-2020 02:20PM

Arghus wrote: »

You seem to be arguing that no-one should ever make any attempts to take safety precautions under any circumstances.

Using your car analogy:

You don't have to trade in your vehicle. But you could minimise your risk by doing sensible things that everyone knows to be smart.

Like you can follow the rules of the road, you can practice safe driving, you can wear a seat-belt, you can drive at safe speeds.

You see it's all about minimising risk where you can, not about eliminating risk entirely. It's the same when it comes to putting measures in place to curb the spread of the disease.

Lol, mate, I'm crushed that I won't be beside you dying for illogical arguments in your imaginary trench warfare.

Your logic is flawed which makes it illogical. Safety precautions need to be taken when the chances of a fatal outcome are high. What are the chances I will die of Covid? About one third of one percent, if not less. But would I use a safety chute if I was jumping out of a plane from 15,000 feet? Of course I would. Like I’ve said before, you stay firmly between your four walls so this 0.37% virus won’t ever get you. If you do ever shed you cowardice and go outside again, don’t forget your muzzle. And whilst 2 metres is considered safe, best not take chances and keep it to 4. You never know what’s round the corner......

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 02:23PM

Penfailed wrote: »

...so what are you going to do if the phases aren't accelerated?

The curtain twitchers won’t like this - but I’ve already decided I’ve had enough. I don’t need hairdressers, couldn’t care less about pubs or restaurants but I’ll decide myself now when I want to visit family or have friends around, and there isn’t a ****ing thing Leo or Tony or their broken roadmap can do about it.

My main concern is the economy but if it’s not theirs then nothing I can do about that. The lockdown forever merchants will realise their error soon enough when the money runs out for their 350 a week

Galwayguy35 · 01-06-2020 02:24PM

So going by the plan they have now we are looking at the final phase in August, that gives us maybe 3 to 4 months before flu season starts to kick in and I wonder what happens then?

We are being told by the doom merchants this second wave will be coming when it gets colder so are they going to lock the whole thing down again?

hmmm · 01-06-2020 02:36PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

We are being told by the doom merchants this second wave will be coming when it gets colder so are they going to lock the whole thing down again?

If cases start to go exponential again, and if the hospitals risk being over-run and if there is still few effective treatments, the government will have no choice but to roll back relaxation of restrictions.

But hopefully we will know more at that stage as to where the main risk is. So far it looks like it spreads fast in locations which have lots of people in close proximity, are noisy (lots of people talking) and poor air circulation. It has spread outdoors (e.g. at football matches), but it seems to be rare enough otherwise.

I'd like to see some practical measures introduced which would reduce the risk of having to roll back, at least until we have a vaccine or a treatment:
1. Close roads, and allow restaurants and pubs seat customers outdoors.
2. Prevent the windows on public transport from being closed
3. Tax-breaks for companies encouraging remote working
4. Help small businesses develop a proper online presence and delivery system

Arghus · 01-06-2020 02:37PM

Nermal wrote: »

It's not about minimising risk where you can.

It's minimising risk where it's economically justifiable to do so.

The distinction is crucial.

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

gral6 · 01-06-2020 02:41PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

We are being told by the doom merchants this second wave will be coming when it gets colder so are they going to lock the whole thing down again?

Don't worry. We would not have to lock the whole country again. Tony just would not let to unlock it by then.

Arghus · 01-06-2020 02:41PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Your logic is flawed which makes it illogical. Safety precautions need to be taken when the chances of a fatal outcome are high. What are the chances I will die of Covid? About one third of one percent, if not less. But would I use a safety chute if I was jumping out of a plane from 15,000 feet? Of course I would. Like I’ve said before, you stay firmly between your four walls so this 0.37% virus won’t ever get you. If you do ever shed you cowardice and go outside again, don’t forget your muzzle. And whilst 2 metres is considered safe, best not take chances and keep it to 4. You never know what’s round the corner......

I'm outside right now as a matter of fact. I reckon I spend more time outside than yourself to be honest.

So, basically what you're saying is the virus is unlikely to seriously effect you - so fck trying to take measures to protect against the spread of it?

gral6 · 01-06-2020 02:42PM

hmmm wrote: »

If cases start to go exponential again

Cases never went exponential.

hmmm · 01-06-2020 02:48PM

gral6 wrote: »

Cases never went exponential.

We went from 39 cases on 14 March to 1,013 on 14 April.

It's clear looking at our graph that new cases started to level off around that point, which would make sense considering the introduction of restrictions around Paddy's day.

Micky 32 · 01-06-2020 02:50PM

hmmm wrote: »

If cases start to go exponential again, and if the hospitals risk being over-run and if there is still few effective treatments, the government will have no choice but to roll back relaxation of restrictions.

But hopefully we will know more at that stage as to where the main risk is. So far it looks like it spreads fast in locations which have lots of people in close proximity, are noisy (lots of people talking) and poor air circulation. It has spread outdoors (e.g. at football matches), but it seems to be rare enough otherwise.

I'd like to see some practical measures introduced which would reduce the risk of having to roll back, at least until we have a vaccine or a treatment:
1. Close roads, and allow restaurants and pubs seat customers outdoors.
2. Prevent the windows on public transport from being closed
3. Tax-breaks for companies encouraging remote working
4. Help small businesses develop a proper online presence and delivery system

Close roads but still let public transport go on LOL,

hmmm · 01-06-2020 02:53PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Close roads but still let public transport go on LOL,

Hey Micky, if you did any reading at all you'd see that other countries have closed city centre streets to allow restaurants use them, not closed motorways and main roads.

Micky 32 · 01-06-2020 02:54PM

hmmm wrote: »

Hey Micky, if you did any reading at all you'd see that other countries have closed city centre streets to allow restaurants use them, not closed motorways and main roads.

You didn’t make it clear in your post on what roads you were talking about. Be more specific next time.

MickeyLeari · 01-06-2020 02:56PM

hmmm wrote: »

Hey Micky, if you did any reading at all you'd see that other countries have closed city centre streets to allow restaurants use them, not closed motorways and main roads.

Absolutely. Give business a chance. And this is far more effective than allowing free for all house parties which cannot be policed.

Ginger n Lemon · 01-06-2020 02:57PM

Arghus wrote: »

I'm outside right now as a matter of fact. I reckon I spend more time outside than yourself to be honest.

So, basically what you're saying is the virus is unlikely to seriously effect you - so fck trying to take measures to protect against the spread of it?

Well judging by below its all well underway (and we are still 2 months and 10 days away from coming into phase 5)

"Cork party-goers in student area giving ‘two fingers’ to locals

Young people who staged “Magaluf or J1-style house parties” in rented homes in Cork’s university precinct over the weekend have been accused of “giving two fingers to the community” and of putting people at risk of contracting Covid-19.

They said some of those involved admitted they had lost part-time jobs, and were using their €350 Covid-19 payments to move into student accommodation near University College Cork for the summer because their foreign travel or holiday plans had been cancelled."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-party-goers-in-student-area-giving-two-fingers-to-locals-1002716.html

Whether they are minority or majority, they will spread covid and these house parties happen all over the country every day of the week. So our tactic of "cases as low as possible" simply is not working. In fact "keeping youth at home" is backfiring badly.

MickeyLeari · 01-06-2020 02:59PM

hmmm wrote: »

If cases start to go exponential again, and if the hospitals risk being over-run and if there is still few effective treatments, the government will have no choice but to roll back relaxation of restrictions.

But hopefully we will know more at that stage as to where the main risk is. So far it looks like it spreads fast in locations which have lots of people in close proximity, are noisy (lots of people talking) and poor air circulation. It has spread outdoors (e.g. at football matches), but it seems to be rare enough otherwise.

I'd like to see some practical measures introduced which would reduce the risk of having to roll back, at least until we have a vaccine or a treatment:
1. Close roads, and allow restaurants and pubs seat customers outdoors.
2. Prevent the windows on public transport from being closed
3. Tax-breaks for companies encouraging remote working
4. Help small businesses develop a proper online presence and delivery system

In the football games - was it at the games or in the pubs before and after?

I would like to see whether sports matches can happen with a reduced capacity. In Hungary they are having games where every second row and every third seat are in occupied.

hmmm · 01-06-2020 03:02PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Whether they are minority or majority, they will spread covid and these house parties happen all over the country every day of the week. So our tactic of "cases as low as possible" simply is not working. In fact "keeping youth at home" is backfiring badly.

People have to take self-responsibility for their actions. We're not going to allow this to spread unchecked just because some people decide to stick two fingers up at everyone else.

If anything, the businesses who do want to open should be asking the government to try and do something to control this, because they are impacted if numbers start to rise again. We're safer having open pubs and restaurants, controlling numbers or seating people outside, than these "street parties".

hmmm · 01-06-2020 03:05PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

In the football games - was it at the games or in the pubs before and after?

I would like to see whether sports matches can happen with a reduced capacity. In Hungary they are having games where every second row and every third seat are in occupied.

Interesting, I don't know the answer to your first question.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-champions-league-match-a-biological-bomb-that-infected-bergamo-experts-say-11963905
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/officials-to-investigate-potential-covid-19-link-with-liverpool-match

There was also a large-scale Chinese study of thousands of cases, and they could only trace one to outdoors transmission - two people who were talking outside.

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 03:06PM

hmmm wrote: »

People have to take self-responsibility for their actions. We're not going to allow this to spread unchecked just because some people decide to stick two fingers up at everyone else.

If anything, the businesses who do want to open should be asking the government to try and do something to control this, because they are impacted if numbers start to rise again. We're safer having open pubs and restaurants, controlling numbers or seating people outside, than these "street parties".

No we’ll all stay locked up at home until Tony “we’re not there yet” Holohan gives us the all clear? **** that

the kelt · 01-06-2020 03:06PM

Interesting, hopeful even, I know hope and positivity doesn’t sit well with some people.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-losing-its-lethality-in-italy-according-to-doctors-2020-6?r=US&IR=T

Dr. Bre · 01-06-2020 03:19PM

Blaze420 wrote: »

No we’ll all stay locked up at home until Tony “we’re not there yet” Holohan gives us the all clear? **** that

Ireland’s next president

Ginger n Lemon · 01-06-2020 03:20PM

hmmm wrote: »

People have to take self-responsibility for their actions. We're not going to allow this to spread unchecked just because some people decide to stick two fingers up at everyone else.

If anything, the businesses who do want to open should be asking the government to try and do something to control this, because they are impacted if numbers start to rise again. We're safer having open pubs and restaurants, controlling numbers or seating people outside, than these "street parties".

Some people? we are talking thousands of people here. all over the country, house parties were reported in this thread as early as 1st week of May like.

Asking teenagers to take self responsibility is like asking our government to take a solidarity pay cut due to this pandemic. Just not going to happen.

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 03:21PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Ireland’s next president

Hahaha

“It’s Paddy’s day but I urge all of you to stay indoors and save lives - you should each have a mandatory 2m poster of myself in the house which I would urge you to bow to at least 20 times during the day”

hmmm · 01-06-2020 03:24PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Some people? we are talking thousands of people here. all over the country, house parties were reported in this thread as early as 1st week of May like.

Asking teenagers to take self responsibility is like asking our government to take a solidarity pay cut due to this pandemic. Just not going to happen.

You seem to be arguing that we throw our hands up in the air and allow this thing to spread unchecked just because a group of kids hold a house party.

I think we are a bit more robust as a country than that.

Idbatterim · 01-06-2020 03:31PM

If they thought people were just going to lock themselves in doors, particularly the young. For months. In this weather. Just because they are too lazy or cautious to bri g forward business reopening, then lol. The 350 payment, I'd say its being blown nearly exclusively on fast food and alcohol by many. Let them do what they like with it. The morons in power gave it all to them ..." spend it in the local economy " you have shut down the local economy you gob****es!

Ginger n Lemon · 01-06-2020 03:32PM

hmmm wrote: »

You seem to be arguing that we throw our hands up in the air and allow this thing to spread unchecked just because a group of kids hold a house party.

I think we are a bit more robust as a country than that.

I think we should accelerate our turtle plan and not base our businesses re opening on governments ability to shut down house parties or dispersing crowds on our beaches.

You know and I know that there is no 2nd wave in Germany, Austria, Norway, Czech republic, Denmark, Poland even though these countries have lifted most of their restrictions by now. So I really struggle to see why do we need to have the slowest kid in the class approach given that our min for finance is coming out with below nonsense

Pascal Donohoe: ‘The State can, should, and will borrow to cover this deficit’

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/pascal-donohoe-the-state-can-should-and-will-borrow-to-cover-this-deficit-1002675.html

Its irresponsible burdening younger generation with debt to attempt to "eradicate" a virus or "keeping new cases of infections to as low as possible"

Idbatterim · 01-06-2020 03:34PM

I hope if the IMF come in this time, they stick around for Good. Let's see where they make the cuts and tax increases. Not decided by rte...

risteard7 · 01-06-2020 03:37PM

It's really not worth it, I went to Starbucks earlier. I was hoarded in & out like some diseased creature. No toilet facilities, you cant do your own milk & sugar & takeaway only which is fair enough but if you cant actually use the facilities to sit in or use the toilet it should be cheaper for the coffee.

Then I went to Harvey Norman. Two security men on the door who all of a sudden have become self important wondering what I was looking to buy and they let me in. Then a store assistant followed me around showing me the products. If I was left alone & to use my own intelligence to social distance & Sanitise I might have actually bought something. When in my opinion I was more likely to crash the car on the way home than contract covid.

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 03:38PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I hope if the IMF come in this time, they stick around for Good. Let's see where they make the cuts and tax increases. Not decided by rte...

That would be a dream come true - never worked a day in your life? Why are you getting 206 a week from a pot you never contributed to? Have a family home or hidden husband but pretending to be homeless and waiting on the list - go **** yourself, sleep on a couch somewhere until you learn about money and what it takes to earn it.

risteard7 · 01-06-2020 03:42PM

Blaze420 wrote: »

That would be a dream come true - never worked a day in your life? Why are you getting 206 a week from a pot you never contributed to? Have a family home or hidden husband but pretending to be homeless and waiting on the list - go **** yourself, sleep on a couch somewhere until you learn about money and what it takes to earn it.

The biggest threat to the Economy now is the government & Nphet not the Coronavirus

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings