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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #9272
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's an expert group to advise the government on health implications, your idea that this is somehow a bad thing is ridiculous.

    I wouldn't want non-health experts or elected officials on a health advisory group.

    To Hell with that. Bunch of losers with their rinky dinky PhDs and decades of experience in public health. Clueless and evil bastards the lot of them. Fire them out on their sorry asses and hand the whole thing over to Michael O'Leary. He's a billionaire, he'll know what to do.


  • #9273
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Leo Varadkar has raised the prospect of halving social distancing rules from two metres to one if the rate of coronavirus infections comes down further.

    "Before we can relax that rule and maybe reduce it to 1(metre), which I know a lot of people would like, we just need to see the virus come down a bit more. We're not at that point yet but I think there's a good chance we get there, just not quite yet," Mr Varadkar told FM104.


    Hmmm I wonder what number is good enough?

    Also Tony Holohan has said its guidance not a rule. So which is it?

    More contradictory messages


  • #9274
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭plodder


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    If ever there was an example of the dangers of group-think, the above list sums it up perfectly.

    A load of single-issue bureaucrats clucking away at each other in a echo-chamber.

    There's not one of them that have spent a day working in the real-economy in decades. They can concentrate on covering their arses, safe in the knowledge their gold-plated salaries and pensions will protect them from the coming sh;t-storm.

    The rest of us will need to pick up the pieces of the absolute mess they've made of the economy.
    I wouldn't criticise the individuals concerned, but group-think is likely a real thing if that is the entire body of experts making the decisions. What sticks out there like a sore thumb is not that the medics are doing anything wrong. It's the complete lack of another body looking at the overall picture, and counter balancing the medical advice with all the other concerns. That is a major failure at government level.


  • #9275
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't spend lots of time reading up on other countries in detail, but I assume Ireland now has the most restrictive lockdown in Europe? And probably for the last number of weeks as well.

    Is any other country stuck to a 5KM travel limit?
    Are other countries being forced to go 4 months without seeing family?

    Our handling of this has been disgraceful.

    France are the only one left with a restriction as far as I know and it's 100km to be lifter at the start of June. The 5km is an absolute shambles - no logical reason for it yet lots seem to love it.


  • #9276
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It's the complete lack of another body looking at the overall picture

    The assertion that medical-advice shouldn't be the sole criterion by which the country is governed can't really be countered by asking, "Where your PhD in Microbiology then?"


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  • #9277
    Lord Spence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭Lord Spence


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar has raised the prospect of halving social distancing rules from two metres to one if the rate of coronavirus infections comes down further.

    "Before we can relax that rule and maybe reduce it to 1(metre), which I know a lot of people would like, we just need to see the virus come down a bit more. We're not at that point yet but I think there's a good chance we get there, just not quite yet," Mr Varadkar told FM104.


    Hmmm I wonder what number is good enough?

    Also Tony Holohan has said its guidance not a rule. So which is it?

    More contradictory messages

    If it is indeed just a guidance then we cam all go about our business as normal, If someone wants to keep me at a 2 metre distance then fine tell me (unless were in a public place in which case if your worried about 2m then you should be out in public in the first place), but at this stage people should be allowed to make their own decisions. I mean cigarettes are proven to give cancer but yet its legal, people can decide for themselves it they want to take that risk, so whats different here?


  • #9278
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    batman_oh wrote: »
    France are the only one left with a restriction as far as I know and it's 100km to be lifter at the start of June. The 5km is an absolute shambles - no logical reason for it yet lots seem to love it.

    Who are the lots ? Most people I know have done everything asked of them and are still complying , and to a man find the 5, 20 and 50kms absolutely ridiculous


  • #9279
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Lord Spence wrote: »
    If it is indeed just a guidance then we cam all go about our business as normal, If someone wants to keep me at a 2 metre distance then fine tell me (unless were in a public place in which case if your worried about 2m then you should be out in public in the first place), but at this stage people should be allowed to make their own decisions. I mean cigarettes are proven to give cancer but yet its legal, people can decide for themselves it they want to take that risk, so whats different here?


    I personally will attempt to keep 2m when out in shops or among strangers .In my garden with friends or family I wont be 2 metres away from them and dont intend to be


  • #9280
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    batman_oh wrote: »
    France are the only one left with a restriction as far as I know and it's 100km to be lifter at the start of June. The 5km is an absolute shambles - no logical reason for it yet lots seem to love it.

    It stops loads of folk travelling to places that could get very, very busy.
    There's merit to it, look what happened before lockdown at Glendalough etc etc ........ place was jammed.


  • #9281
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar has raised the prospect of halving social distancing rules from two metres to one if the rate of coronavirus infections comes down further.

    "Before we can relax that rule and maybe reduce it to 1(metre), which I know a lot of people would like, we just need to see the virus come down a bit more. We're not at that point yet but I think there's a good chance we get there, just not quite yet," Mr Varadkar told FM104.


    Hmmm I wonder what number is good enough?

    Also Tony Holohan has said its guidance not a rule. So which is it?

    More contradictory messages

    What happened to 'flatten the curve'


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  • #9282
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I have posted this before , they are like a group of frightened hens in a hen house .All clucking together making each other afraid of the big bad fox . Group thinking is a real phenomena and quite a dangerous thing at times
    Who are we talking about here?


  • #9283
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    plodder wrote: »
    I wouldn't criticise the individuals concerned, but group-think is likely a real thing if that is the entire body of experts making the decisions. What sticks out there like a sore thumb is not that the medics are doing anything wrong. It's the complete lack of another body looking at the overall picture, and counter balancing the medical advice with all the other concerns. That is a major failure at government level.

    You can be 100% certain that people from departments such as Finance, Business, Enterprise and Innovation, Agriculture, Food and the Marine etc. will have being making strong counterarguments. The idea that only public health voices are listened to is nonsense.


  • #9284
    Harpon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭Harpon


    20 Lidl and Aldi workers out of 9000 have contracted Covid 19. That’s indoors where the virus spreads easier, with virtually no one in these stores wearing masks and virtually no social distancing going on once people are inside. Incredible stats and yet our government want to carry on with restrictions for months up until just before the 2nd wave will hit us in the winter.

    On top of that the figures coming out of other countries in Europe show they have been able to reopen their economies with no spike in cases.

    The country should reopen with immediate effect with people wearing face masks in places where social distancing can’t occur, and being required to sanitise hands before entering shops/cafes etc. For those who don’t want to take any risk, they can continue to only venture outside for exercise and food. Otherwise the rest of us should just go out and start living our life’s again.

    I hereby order All BUSINESSES to reopen immediately. Good lads.


  • #9285
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Who are the lots ? Most people I know have done everything asked of them and are still complying , and to a man find the 5, 20 and 50kms absolutely ridiculous

    There's plenty of people that are very quick to label people that suggest it's silly as selfish/old people killers etc. rather than actually think about that particular restriction themselves and realise that it's pretty ridiculous to have it still going now.


  • #9286
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    I expected to see evidence. Disappointing thread title.


  • #9287
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Augeo wrote: »
    It stops loads of folk travelling to places that could get very, very busy.
    There's merit to it, look what happened before lockdown at Glendalough etc etc ........ place was jammed.

    It also trapped lots of people in high density areas into a small space so they were stuck surrounded by hundreds of people on their daily walk (the only thing they could originally do). I passed more people on small foothpaths every time I went out than I would have in Glendalough at any point.
    Whatever about when it was brought in - it is nonsense at this point


  • #9288
    Harpon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭Harpon


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I expected to see evidence. Disappointing thread title.

    Aldi and Lidl reporting those figures is the evidence. The stats from other eu countries is the evidence.


  • #9289
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar has raised the prospect of halving social distancing rules from two metres to one if the rate of coronavirus infections comes down further.

    "Before we can relax that rule and maybe reduce it to 1(metre), which I know a lot of people would like, we just need to see the virus come down a bit more. We're not at that point yet but I think there's a good chance we get there, just not quite yet," Mr Varadkar told FM104.


    Hmmm I wonder what number is good enough?

    Also Tony Holohan has said its guidance not a rule. So which is it?

    More contradictory messages
    It's guidance from Tony, he advises. the rules come from Leo


  • #9290
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭plodder


    growleaves wrote: »
    The assertion that medical-advice shouldn't be the sole criterion by which the country is governed can't really be countered by asking, "Where your PhD in Microbiology then?"
    As TH admitted, he doesn't know the ins and outs of hair-dressing and whether it should be allowed to re-open earlier than other sectors. I'd have expected another committee of TH and one or two others from NPHET, plus economists, and other non health civil servants to look at submissions from sectors like that and determine whether they can re-open early and also to advise government on the big questions too. If this does end in economic depression then NPHET will just say - we only offered medical advice, we never offered economic or other advice that we weren't qualified to give.


  • #9291
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I expected to see evidence. Disappointing thread title.

    You won't see evidence form the "lockdown forever, but let's put untested patients from our hospitals in with our most vulnerable, and keep the nursing homes open" experts either.


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  • #9292
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭plodder


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    You can be 100% certain that people from departments such as Finance, Business, Enterprise and Innovation, Agriculture, Food and the Marine etc. will have being making strong counterarguments. The idea that only public health voices are listened to is nonsense.
    Where is the evidence of this? We see NPHET every day. What is this other committee I haven't heard anything about?


  • #9293
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    What happened to 'flatten the curve'

    They changed the goalposts

    https://www.thejournal.ie/government-calls-two-metre-distance-rule-5106713-May2020/

    Holohan says its guidance
    Varadkar its a rule

    Which is it?

    I think it will take business to get out in front of the government on this

    If all restaurants, hotels, hairdressers, pubs announced they will be adopting one metre seeing as its guidance then the government would move too


  • #9294
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,130 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Transparency is generally a good thing but our press have been woeful on this and the usual unnamed leak or off the record briefing pieces is the last thing you need in this situation. Business issues are subject to a lot of other variables, not least viability and how they are run and just how much stunting can 3 months do to a child's education? The chance of them being back in school was always a long shot.

    I agree, the press have been woeful from the very beginning of this. That doesn't take away from the fact that NPHET stopped publishing their meeting minutes. That's an absolute scandal IMO.

    3 months is a long time in a child's education, particularly for the ones that struggle during the best of times. Add in to the mix that they still aren't allowed any social interaction with other children and it quickly becomes a recipe for disaster. It's not as simple as just saying "it's only 3 months", there's a lot more going on than just the physical closing of schools.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #9295
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Harpon wrote: »
    The country should reopen with immediate effect with people wearing face masks in places where social distancing can’t occur, and being required to sanitise hands before entering shops/cafes etc. For those who don’t want to take any risk, they can continue to only venture outside for exercise and food. Otherwise the rest of us should just go out and start living our life’s again.

    So basically, the same as it is right now, only with the pubs open and you have to wear a mask?


  • #9296
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭crossman47


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's an expert group to advise the government on health implications, your idea that this is somehow a bad thing is ridiculous.

    I wouldn't want non-health experts or elected officials on a health advisory group.

    Exactly. The government is there to take the wider view but they won't because they want a fall guy if it goes wrong.


  • #9297
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Who are we talking about here?

    NHEPT .


  • #9298
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    plodder wrote: »
    Where is the evidence of this? We see NPHET every day. What is this other committee I haven't heard anything about?

    It's called a cabinet.


  • #9299
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Lord Spence wrote: »
    If it is indeed just a guidance then we cam all go about our business as normal, If someone wants to keep me at a 2 metre distance then fine tell me (unless were in a public place in which case if your worried about 2m then you should be out in public in the first place), but at this stage people should be allowed to make their own decisions...

    And that's why we have the restrictions we do


  • #9300
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,716 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    batman_oh wrote: »
    It also trapped lots of people in high density areas into a small space so they were stuck surrounded by hundreds of people on their daily walk (the only thing they could originally do). I passed more people on small foothpaths every time I went out than I would have in Glendalough at any point.
    Whatever about when it was brought in - it is nonsense at this point

    Agreed, its complete nonsense. Car parks of tourist attractions can be closed and if necessary policed. Like with IKEA, if in doubt, shut it down is the approach of this cowardly, rudderless Government.

    I live in D5. St Annes Park and Dollymount Strand were more packed last weekend than I ever saw them in 20 years of living in the area (barring events of course).


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  • #9301
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    NHEPT .

    I thought it was the regulars here...


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