Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Idbatterim · 28-05-2020 11:02PM

You remember how head wrecking the last recession was. I dont think I am alone in thinking that voluntarily destroying the economy and destroying businesses, jobs, relationships, mental health for many, is depraved?!!!!

All for this mickey mouse virus. If it wasnt for their incompetence with nursing homes and closing borders , we would be in a far better position if hey hadn't ballsed up the start. Slow to react at the start and now slow to react now that it's proven to be a storm in a teacup!

Tenzor07 · 28-05-2020 11:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep I’ve said this all along. I don’t believe Woodies , Homebase or garden centres should have closed. They only created a huge surge when they opened......as will IKEA when it opens , it’s inevitable . Plus all along those stores were easily able to create distance .
Peter Burke is a joke , saying it’s better to have everyone shopping Dunnes as that way they’re not moving about ? That makes so much sense , if only I’d known ! :D:D

FG must of had no one else to send, Burke just towed the political line and the Professor just sat there trying to contain his amusement at the fact that the caretaker government isn't making any progress on reopening the economy... We've everyone packed into what little retail there is open instead of opening everything and trying to make the recession shorter...

Plenty of multinationals can't avail of the 85% wage top up, and many small businesses can't get the start up grant...

Time to open up!!

Jinglejangle69 · 28-05-2020 11:04PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

You remember how head wrecking the lady recession was. I dont thi k I am alone in thinking that voluntarily destroying the economy and destroying businesses, jobs, relationships, mental health for many, is depraved?!!!!

All for this mickey mouse virus. If it wasnt fir their incompetence with nursing homes and closing borders , we would be in a far better of they hadn't balled up the start. Slow to react at the start and now slow to react now that it's proven to be a storm in a teacup!

Have you set this memo to all the countries in the world who went into lockdown over this mickey mouse virus?

Idbatterim · 28-05-2020 11:04PM

I wish the masses of businesses closed, would just open their doors and implement whatever measures they deem necessary. .

PTH2009 · 28-05-2020 11:05PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Phase 2 is just phase 1 with a few twinkly lights thrown around it. Phases 3, 4 and 5 are what we need to be discussing and moving towards right now. That’s when things actually get moving in the country again. Ridiculous to say we aren’t ready to move to stage 2. We’re pretty much already in stage 2 and have been for weeks

We "hope too" move to phase 2 as scheduled according to Harris

Hector Savage · 28-05-2020 11:05PM

Where can we see stats of yearly deaths ? per country, I would love to see Italy , Spain compared to last year ... now Im not saying there would be no change, but I wonder when this passes will death rate driop slightly ....

Idbatterim · 28-05-2020 11:07PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Have you set this memo to all the countries in the world who went into lockdown over this mickey mouse virus?

For a huge number of the population it is a Mickey mouse virus. People voluntarily go on nights on the leash every weekend and feel like death for days after. You thi k in going to worry about catching a virus so horrendous, that many dont even know they have had it ? Spare me dont get me wrong, I wouldn't want fo pass it onto anyone. But I realise the idiotic implications of disregarding everything else for this SINGLE issue ...

Idbatterim · 28-05-2020 11:11PM

Norway is reopening schools with one meter social distancing. Why dont the morons herevm just see how far better run and far more intelligent people solve problems in other countries? They can still claim their criminal pay and pensions...

Del Griffith · 28-05-2020 11:11PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Where can we see stats of yearly deaths ? per country, I would love to see Italy , Spain compared to last year ... now Im not saying there would be no change, but I wonder when this passes will death rate driop slightly ....

https://www.euromomo.eu/

And yes you will see the rates drop, as all the fatalities for the year have been front loaded.

SusieBlue · 28-05-2020 11:13PM

If they reported the amount of people diagnosed with various cancers, heart disease etc or the amount of people suffering stokes every day the way they report covid-19 cases, no one would ever get up out of bed again.
Same goes for those who pass away, if we included the numbers of people who died each day from other causes in our daily news bulletin there would be such a fear that no one would ever want to ever leave the house again.

It’s just pure and utter scaremongering now. Coronavirus isn’t the only thing that you can suffer from or die of.

28-05-2020 11:19PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I wish the masses of businesses closed, would just open their doors and implement whatever measures they deem necessary. .

Yeah I wonder what would happen if pubs, coffee shops and restaurants all opened with their new restrictions and spaced out tables etc. same with hairdressers . Just those who felt safe to do so or wanted to. Likewise home stores and clothes stores. What exactly would happen ? Would the Govt order Gardai to come in and physically shut them down ? Would there be enough Gardai to do that .

I’d certainly support any business that took the bull by the horns and restarted anyway . If opticians are open why aren’t hairdressers ?

stephenjmcd · 28-05-2020 11:25PM

HSE Operations report just released and it's all good news.

As of 18:30 there were 45 confirmed covid cases in ICU, down from 48 yesterday and no ICU deaths recorded between 10am yesteday and 10am today. 30 on ventilators down from 32.

As of 8pm there were 193 confirmed cases in acute hospitals down from 233, a drop of 40 in 24hrs.

8 cases diagnosed in hosptial settings in the last 24hrs.

SusieBlue · 28-05-2020 11:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah I wonder what would happen if pubs, coffee shops and restaurants all opened with their new restrictions and spaced out tables etc. same with hairdressers . Just those who felt safe to do so or wanted to. Likewise home stores and clothes stores. What exactly would happen ? Would the Govt order Gardai to come in and physically shut them down ? Would there be enough Gardai to do that .

I’d certainly support any business that took the bull by the horns and restarted anyway . If opticians are open why aren’t hairdressers ?

A café in Cork put chairs outside their premises 2m apart, no tables or anything just single socially distanced chairs so that their patrons could sit outside to eat their sandwiches and drink their coffee and the Gardaí showed up today to tell them to remove them or they’d shut them down.

I’m going to try to go in for a coffee tomorrow if I’m passing to support them, at least they tried.

Penfailed · 28-05-2020 11:31PM

JL555 wrote: »

Ah Karen, you're just so fantastic.

Eh? Care to explain this ^^^?

JRant · 28-05-2020 11:31PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

A café in Cork put chairs outside their premises 2m apart, no tables or anything just single socially distanced chairs so that their patrons could sit outside to eat their sandwiches and drink their coffee and the Gardaí showed up today to tell them to remove them or they’d shut them down.

I’m going to try to go in for a coffee tomorrow if I’m passing to support them, at least they tried.

Isn't it just as well we have no real crime to be keeping the Garda busy with. That's another real success story. What sort of absolute jobsworth goes in to a cafe and does that?

gral6 · 28-05-2020 11:33PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

You say we are not there yet....Where is there?

You can be guaranteed we are moving to the next phase....europe eating out and going back to school while we languish within 5km? Not happening.

Simon Harris says that. I'd say that he can shove it up his stupid ass

Micky 32 · 28-05-2020 11:34PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE Operations report just released and it's all good news.

As of 18:30 there were 45 confirmed covid cases in ICU, down from 48 yesterday and no ICU deaths recorded between 10am yesteday and 10am today. 30 on ventilators down from 32.

As of 8pm there were 193 confirmed cases in acute hospitals down from 233, a drop of 40 in 24hrs.

8 cases diagnosed in hosptial settings in the last 24hrs.

I wonder how many likes that post will get, it won’t be from the lockdown merchants anyway

28-05-2020 11:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I do think more and more politicians, economists and business owners and industry leaders are shouting for quicker easing of restrictions.

Jim O Callaghan FF on Ivan Yates Tonight Show in a few minutes calling on Govt to ease restrictions sooner . Keep up the pressure !

Ivan Yates is the biggest sh!t stirrer on this Island.
Wouldn't value anything coming out of his mouth.

Every TD is currently lobbying at the moment for their causes and have now automagically become health experts.

The fact that we are having these discussions on reducing the restrictions, is a direct result of them being in place in the first hand, I dread to think of the alternative.
We need to be slow in resuming what we know as normal, to give our resources the ability to react to any increase of infection.

Yes, some of us are bored, some of us want to be beamed up from our family, etc, etc, but we are still here.

My father is currently in the Limerick Regional for just over 7 weeks now, the last time I saw him was pushing him on the trolley up onto the ambulance and I didn't think he would make it over.
Thankfully he is a lot better now, and we are expecting home soon.

We should not forget that this is a pandemic and it will always be difficult to balance everyone's viewpoint in such a challenging time.

Have a great weekend all.

28-05-2020 11:43PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

If they reported the amount of people diagnosed with various cancers, heart disease etc or the amount of people suffering stokes every day the way they report covid-19 cases, no one would ever get up out of bed again.
Same goes for those who pass away, if we included the numbers of people who died each day from other causes in our daily news bulletin there would be such a fear that no one would ever want to ever leave the house again.

It’s just pure and utter scaremongering now. Coronavirus isn’t the only thing that you can suffer from or die of.

But that's just the thing, they do report them, not everyday but take smoking for example 1000s die every year in Ireland due to smoking related issues. Heart disease, anyone who's not looking after their health, not exercising, eating crap food and of a certain age know that they're playing with fire, but still people do it. It's because it's not happening today, it's something that might happen in the future, but one day will be today and that's it: Death.

Besides the few lockdown crazies still around, many people have become weary of the restrictions, we know it, because we see it all around us, it's fact, seeing really is believing, not merely anecdotal as one poster said earlier.

The 'leaders' are running out of excuses, a different phased approach is needed to get back to reality. We have lives to live and we need to live them, our kids need to play with each other and they need to get educated.
You know what my two young boys think? The reason why the schools are closed and that children are not allowed into half the places especially playgrounds, is that adults think that kids are the one who spread the virus at the beginning and now they're being punished by not being allowed go anywhere.

RobitTV · 28-05-2020 11:46PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE Operations report just released and it's all good news.

As of 18:30 there were 45 confirmed covid cases in ICU, down from 48 yesterday and no ICU deaths recorded between 10am yesteday and 10am today. 30 on ventilators down from 32.

As of 8pm there were 193 confirmed cases in acute hospitals down from 233, a drop of 40 in 24hrs.

8 cases diagnosed in hosptial settings in the last 24hrs.

We must getting close to a #FifthWave now! :pac::pac:

28-05-2020 11:48PM

NoDrama wrote: »

Ivan Yates is the biggest sh!t stirrer on this Island.
Wouldn't value anything coming out of his mouth.

Every TD is currently lobbying at the moment for their causes and have now automagically become health experts.

The fact that we are having these discussions on reducing the restrictions, is a direct result of them being in place in the first hand, I dread to think of the alternative.
We need to be slow in resuming what we know as normal, to give our resources the ability to react to any increase of infection.

Yes, some of us are bored, some of us want to be beamed up from our family, etc, etc, but we are still here.

My father is currently in the Limerick Regional for just over 7 weeks now, the last time I saw him was pushing him on the trolley up onto the ambulance and I didn't think he would make it over.
Thankfully he is a lot better now, and we are expecting home soon.

We should not forget that this is a pandemic and it will always be difficult to balance everyone's viewpoint in such a challenging time.

Have a great weekend all.

I’m glad your father is recovering, that’s good .

Believe me it’s not boredom that has businesses and the public upset at these restrictions. While they were needed initially until we got a handle on things they are no longer fit for purpose. We have done well in containing and reducing the spread of Covid.

We need more people like Ivan Yates and independent radio stations ! Otherwise hard questions would never be asked and everyone would continue bowing and scraping to government ministers and health officials. Economists should be part of NPHET !
At this stage **** needs to be stirred .

Multipass · 28-05-2020 11:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I went further than 5km to meet a good friend in her garden for coffee. We sat apart and chatted for about 3 hours! It was fabulous. I went swimming later, beach 4km from my house, I don’t remember when I last saw the beach so busy ......No Gardai anywhere !

Great to see people out in the fresh air enjoying themselves.

Tomorrow I’m heading to the mountains for another hike. We are being treated like fools , France back in action as is most of Europe !

Today was the first day I broke the restrictions, I got up at 7 and drove 10km to the woods. It’s the first day that I’ve walked in safety since the lockdown, the road I live on is lethal. It was wonderful.

RobitTV · 28-05-2020 11:52PM

Just back from a walk around the block and a good few houses with garden lights on with people sitting down and playing music in the back garden and having a chat.

This is only the start. Wait till the weekend and the bubble will burst.

amadangomor · 28-05-2020 11:52PM

This thread is an eye opener. Truest words spoken were the ones about opinions and arseholes.

We really are priviligaged to have the opinions of so may wise people here who have so much more of an insight into a deadly virus than the list of members of NPHET.

Dr Tony Holohan, chief medical officer at the Department of Health.

Prof Colm Bergin, infectious diseases consultant at St James’s Hospital and Professor of Medicine at Trinity College Dublin.

Paul Bolger, director of Department of Health resources division.

Dr Eibhlin Connolly, deputy chief medical officer at the Department of Health.

Tracey Conroy, assistant secretary in the acute hospitals division of the Department of Health.

Dr John Cuddihy, interim director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC).

Dr Cillian de Gascun, director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory in UCD.

Colm Desmond, assistant secretary for corporate legislation, mental health, drugs policy and food safety division in the Department of Health.

Dr Lorraine Doherty, national clinical director for health protection in the HPSC.

Dr Mary Favier, president of the Irish College of General Practitioners.

Dr Ronan Glynn, deputy chief medical officer in the Department of Health.

Fergal Goodman, assistant secretary in the primary care division in the Department of Health.

Dr Colm Henry, HSE chief clinical officer.

Dr Kevin Kelleher, HSE assistant national director of public health.

Marita Kinsella, director of the national patient safety office in the Department of Health.

David Leach, HSE deputy national director of communications.

Dr Kathleen Mac Lellan, assistant secretary in Department of Health social care division.

Dr Jeanette McCallion, Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA) medical assessor.

Tom McGuinness, assistant national director at HSE office of emergency planning.

Dr Siobhán Ní Bhrian, HSE lead for integrated care.

Prof Philip Nolan, chair of Irish Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group and president of Maynooth University.

Kate O’Flaherty, head of health and wellbeing at Department of Health.

Dr Darina O’Flanagan, special adviser to NPHET at Department of Health.

Dr Siobhán O’Sullivan, chief bioethics officer at Department of Health.

Dr Michael Power, national clinical lead of HSE critical care programme and consultant in intensive care medicine at Beaumont Hospital.

Phelim Quinn, chief executive of Health Information and Quality Authority (Hiqa).

Dr Máirín Ryan, deputy chief executive and director of health technology assessment at Hiqa.

Dr Alan Smith, Department of Health deputy chief medical officer.

Dr Breda Smyth, HSE director of health and public health medicine.

David Walsh, HSE national director of community operations.

Deirdre Watters, head of communications at Department of Health.

Liam Woods, HSE national director of acute operations.

Lorraine Doherty, HPSC clinical director for health protection.

SusieBlue · 28-05-2020 11:56PM

^ And your point is? This is a discussion forum. We are allowed to have thoughts and opinions, particularly on matters that concern our quality of life, welfare and futures.

magic17 · 29-05-2020 12:01AM

Hopefully the government does the right thing and skips straight to phase 3 on the 8th June and we can finally start to move out of this farcical situation we're in at the moment

JoeA3 · 29-05-2020 12:03AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

^ And your point is? This is a discussion forum. We are allowed to have thoughts and opinions, particularly on matters that concern our quality of life, welfare and futures.

Reads like the credits list in a movie.

Except we’re in it.

29-05-2020 12:14AM

amadangomor wrote: »

This thread is an eye opener. Truest words spoken were the ones about opinions and arseholes.

We really are priviligaged to have the opinions of so may wise people here who have so much more of an insight into a deadly virus than the list of members of NPHET."

Actual insights into a deadly virus are a few and far between on this thread I have found. Although there are many opinions on the restrictions, plus other stuff completely non related.

JRant · 29-05-2020 12:18AM

amadangomor wrote: »

This thread is an eye opener. Truest words spoken were the ones about opinions and arseholes.

We really are priviligaged to have the opinions of so may wise people here who have so much more of an insight into a deadly virus than the list of members of NPHET.

Dr Tony Holohan, chief medical officer at the Department of Health.

Prof Colm Bergin, infectious diseases consultant at St James’s Hospital and Professor of Medicine at Trinity College Dublin.

Paul Bolger, director of Department of Health resources division.

Dr Eibhlin Connolly, deputy chief medical officer at the Department of Health.

Tracey Conroy, assistant secretary in the acute hospitals division of the Department of Health.

Dr John Cuddihy, interim director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC).

Dr Cillian de Gascun, director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory in UCD.

Colm Desmond, assistant secretary for corporate legislation, mental health, drugs policy and food safety division in the Department of Health.

Dr Lorraine Doherty, national clinical director for health protection in the HPSC.

Dr Mary Favier, president of the Irish College of General Practitioners.

Dr Ronan Glynn, deputy chief medical officer in the Department of Health.

Fergal Goodman, assistant secretary in the primary care division in the Department of Health.

Dr Colm Henry, HSE chief clinical officer.

Dr Kevin Kelleher, HSE assistant national director of public health.

Marita Kinsella, director of the national patient safety office in the Department of Health.

David Leach, HSE deputy national director of communications.

Dr Kathleen Mac Lellan, assistant secretary in Department of Health social care division.

Dr Jeanette McCallion, Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA) medical assessor.

Tom McGuinness, assistant national director at HSE office of emergency planning.

Dr Siobhán Ní Bhrian, HSE lead for integrated care.

Prof Philip Nolan, chair of Irish Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group and president of Maynooth University.

Kate O’Flaherty, head of health and wellbeing at Department of Health.

Dr Darina O’Flanagan, special adviser to NPHET at Department of Health.

Dr Siobhán O’Sullivan, chief bioethics officer at Department of Health.

Dr Michael Power, national clinical lead of HSE critical care programme and consultant in intensive care medicine at Beaumont Hospital.

Phelim Quinn, chief executive of Health Information and Quality Authority (Hiqa).

Dr Máirín Ryan, deputy chief executive and director of health technology assessment at Hiqa.

Dr Alan Smith, Department of Health deputy chief medical officer.

Dr Breda Smyth, HSE director of health and public health medicine.

David Walsh, HSE national director of community operations.

Deirdre Watters, head of communications at Department of Health.

Liam Woods, HSE national director of acute operations.

Lorraine Doherty, HPSC clinical director for health protection.

They all have one thing in common. Not a single person on that list was elected to lead or be part of government. You know, those people that are actually supposed to be running the country.

Where are the minutes from every single meeting they've had?
Why did they stop publishing minutes?
How do we know the rationale behind life changing decisions this group have made?
What will be the consequences for any of them when the economy is in the toilet for a decade?
Why are our elected representatives following them blindly?
Who was responsible for the nursing home fiasco?

These are all questions that we will never have answers for but we absolutely should.

29-05-2020 12:24AM

amadangomor wrote: »

This thread is an eye opener. Truest words spoken were the ones about opinions and arseholes.

We really are priviligaged to have the opinions of so may wise people here who have so much more of an insight into a deadly virus than the list of members of NPHET.

Dr Tony Holohan, chief medical officer at the Department of Health.

Prof Colm Bergin, infectious diseases consultant at St James’s Hospital and Professor of Medicine at Trinity College Dublin.

Paul Bolger, director of Department of Health resources division.

Dr Eibhlin Connolly, deputy chief medical officer at the Department of Health.

Tracey Conroy, assistant secretary in the acute hospitals division of the Department of Health.

Dr John Cuddihy, interim director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC).

Dr Cillian de Gascun, director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory in UCD.

Colm Desmond, assistant secretary for corporate legislation, mental health, drugs policy and food safety division in the Department of Health.

Dr Lorraine Doherty, national clinical director for health protection in the HPSC.

Dr Mary Favier, president of the Irish College of General Practitioners.

Dr Ronan Glynn, deputy chief medical officer in the Department of Health.

Fergal Goodman, assistant secretary in the primary care division in the Department of Health.

Dr Colm Henry, HSE chief clinical officer.

Dr Kevin Kelleher, HSE assistant national director of public health.

Marita Kinsella, director of the national patient safety office in the Department of Health.

David Leach, HSE deputy national director of communications.

Dr Kathleen Mac Lellan, assistant secretary in Department of Health social care division.

Dr Jeanette McCallion, Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA) medical assessor.

Tom McGuinness, assistant national director at HSE office of emergency planning.

Dr Siobhán Ní Bhrian, HSE lead for integrated care.

Prof Philip Nolan, chair of Irish Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group and president of Maynooth University.

Kate O’Flaherty, head of health and wellbeing at Department of Health.

Dr Darina O’Flanagan, special adviser to NPHET at Department of Health.

Dr Siobhán O’Sullivan, chief bioethics officer at Department of Health.

Dr Michael Power, national clinical lead of HSE critical care programme and consultant in intensive care medicine at Beaumont Hospital.

Phelim Quinn, chief executive of Health Information and Quality Authority (Hiqa).

Dr Máirín Ryan, deputy chief executive and director of health technology assessment at Hiqa.

Dr Alan Smith, Department of Health deputy chief medical officer.

Dr Breda Smyth, HSE director of health and public health medicine.

David Walsh, HSE national director of community operations.

Deirdre Watters, head of communications at Department of Health.

Liam Woods, HSE national director of acute operations.

Lorraine Doherty, HPSC clinical director for health protection.

Where would the world be if we never even bothered to question those in authority?

On a less philsophical question - what do the group of people above seem to know that every other leadership group in Europe don't?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings