Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

polesheep · 28-05-2020 12:32PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well that's decent as they are a hard audience to please, ever! In real life you'd expect to see similar. They were calm and did well enough in the sense that we never saw the worst of it seen elsewhere. They'll still get brownie points for the cautious approach out of it. Many people are not itching to be in "normality".

On the other hand, many people are returning to normality and couldn't be arsed reading or voting in the Journal. They're out enjoying the sunshine or trying to get their lives back on track. The real evidence is on the street for all to see.

Hurrache · 28-05-2020 12:36PM

bush wrote: »

71% of people delighted to be sitting on their holes with lovely weather.

Wait, you think all those are unemployed?

RollieFingers · 28-05-2020 12:40PM

Funny how any poll showing the majority of people asked are happy with how things are being handled are instantly dismissed, but anecdotes from people on Boards are taken as gospel.

polesheep · 28-05-2020 12:41PM

ednwireland wrote: »

i think thats the problem all along without huge testing figures any analysis is almost guess work.

i dont think anyone has a handle on transmission vectors and what real world solutions will slow/stop thgis, the only thing we do seem to know that its hit certain parts of the community very hard

When all of this kicked off I got advice from an immunologist (family member). No models or other bullsh8t. Just plain science. One of the things that he told me was that, although it was not a flu, it would strike like a flu and hit those usually vulnerable to a flu and that I was at virtually no risk whatsoever. I based my personal reaction to Covid-19 on his advice. One interesting thing he said about models was that by the time you have sufficient data for an accurate model, you already know how the virus is acting.

Polar101 · 28-05-2020 01:11PM

the kelt wrote: »

Well we have a Minister for Health who a few weeks ago spoke about not finding a vaccine for the 18 other corona virus that came before Covid 19 so in that respect anything goes!

And then people want to elect CMOs and other experts, because of the quality and accountability you would get.

polesheep · 28-05-2020 01:24PM

ednwireland wrote: »

i think thats the problem all along without huge testing figures any analysis is almost guess work.

i dont think anyone has a handle on transmission vectors and what real world solutions will slow/stop thgis, the only thing we do seem to know that its hit certain parts of the community very hard

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The government advice from the start of all this has also been that those usually at risk from the flu are also most at risk from Covid-19. The point about models is just bizarre.

Then why the full lockdown and scaremongering? I suspect it was because we have such an appalling health service and any other response would have led to it being quickly overwhelmed. If so, I believe that the extra capacity we extracted from the health service to deal with Covid-19 will be paid for through the neglect of other health care requirements.

The bit about the models I may be confused on. I have no experience of them. The gist, if I recall correctly, was that they wouldn't have much validity and that two opposing models was possible.

Pitch n Putt · 28-05-2020 01:27PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Joe McHugh has come out and said schools can’t reopen while the 2m rule stands

I suppose we will be able to organise summer camps going by media talk to ease the burden on children but we won’t be able to get them back to school in September. :rolleyes:

Tis a great auld country all the same.

Sweet.Science · 28-05-2020 01:32PM

Was anything said in the Dail today about speeding up the lifting of restrictions ?

facehugger99 · 28-05-2020 01:35PM

RollieFingers wrote: »

Funny how any poll showing the majority of people asked are happy with how things are being handled are instantly dismissed, but anecdotes from people on Boards are taken as gospel.

Pay people €350 of borrowed money to sit on their holes watching Netflix and ask if they're happy with how things are going.

Sure, let's base the policy decisions off that.

stephenjmcd · 28-05-2020 01:39PM

Safe to say more people will be calling for things to open so they can get back to work. Payment break comes to an end in September, most people would need to be working through August at least to be on track to meet a mortgage payment in September

https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1265983932048252930?s=19

average_runner · 28-05-2020 01:57PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Safe to say more people will be calling for things to open so they can get back to work. Payment break comes to an end in September.

https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1265983932048252930?s=19

Should be end of June

road_high · 28-05-2020 01:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Safe to say more people will be calling for things to open so they can get back to work. Payment break comes to an end in September.

https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1265983932048252930?s=19

Just hear that on Rte radio 1- Hayes predictably towing the EU line on repayments but pretty stark listening for anyone severely effected. If that isn’t an alarm bell
to get back to work I don’t know what is?

stephenjmcd · 28-05-2020 02:09PM

road_high wrote: »

Just hear that on Rte radio 1- Hayes predictably towing the EU line on repayments but pretty stark listening for anyone severely effected. If that isn’t an alarm bell
to get back to work I don’t know what is?

Yeah realistically with other bills etc its inevitable that people have been using any savings they had so realistically you'd have to have a wage coming in during August so that your not stuck come September.

I'm sure banks will engage with people who are in difficulty but it's an alarm bell for people to get back to work. Anyone that is on the €350 with a mortgage break should be now actively hoping restrictions are eased sooner so they can get back to work and dont have the banks hanging over them.

It'll change the tune of alot of people who were happy to just keep going seeing as they had no bills

28-05-2020 02:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What’s going to be magically different on June 8th, 29th or 10th August?

If we’re afraid to open or concerned every time somebody is admitted to ICU than we need to start looking at a plan to fund the country while leaving restrictions in place until a vaccine is available.

We’ll bankrupt generations but sure if we save one life it was well worth it. Right?

Better testing and tracing with every day that passes. Allows us to keep outbreaks localised. Really easy to find this information. South Korea are the model.

road_high · 28-05-2020 02:11PM

mikekerry wrote: »

By what actual good does this daily bombardment of bad news do to people only to put more fear into people ( and maybe to prompt them to stay indoors)?
Couldn't they just do a weekly report of figures?

It’s adds to the drama and makes Tony appear relevant and hands on. Despite the fact that thanks to the way these things are reported we get all kinds of ups and downs in the data. A weekly total would be far more useful and relevant

road_high · 28-05-2020 02:14PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

All being paid for with borrowed money.

Will be fascinating to see the satisfaction levels when the bill arrives.

I'm sure all the lockdown-fanboys will be delighted with massive increased taxes and cuts to spending.

Indeed. Come back to us after the next budget- that’s when the real “satisfaction “ will be evident

ElTel · 28-05-2020 02:28PM

Nermal wrote: »

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

"Our assessment now, and I find that there is a broad consensus in relation to the reopening, was that one could probably achieve the same effect – and avoid part of the unfortunate repercussions – by not closing. But, instead, staying open with precautions to stop the spread."

Can we get this to a journo and ensure Dr. T is asked about it!!!!!

road_high · 28-05-2020 02:33PM

ElTel wrote: »

Can we get this to a journo and ensure Dr. T is asked about it!!!!!

You’d get more response by showing it to the nearest brick wall as him to be honest.

road_high · 28-05-2020 02:35PM

Wonder how long Tony’s muriel will last?

stephenjmcd · 28-05-2020 02:55PM

A complete and utter disgrace

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1265940667303448576?s=19

RobitTV · 28-05-2020 02:58PM

Ryanair are not backing down, you can book loads of routes from the 1st of July. How is Holohan going to deal with this? he will probably wag his finger again.

List of routes

RobitTV · 28-05-2020 03:00PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A complete and utter disgrace

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1265940667303448576?s=19

This is a national scandal. This is a huge problem we now facing and this is very sad for all of those people who are waiting.

Sheep_shear · 28-05-2020 03:05PM

So how many people are going to die because of missed screenings? This is madness.

Penfailed · 28-05-2020 03:09PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

They didnt get it wrong this time pal. You ll realise this in October.

Hahaha! Economists get things wrong ALL the time. Yeah, let's come back to this in October. The economy will, no doubt, have taken a hit but will it be as severe as forecast? No one knows because...y'know...it's a forecast.

Professor Moriarty · 28-05-2020 03:12PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Ryanair are not backing down, you can book loads of routes from the 1st of July. How is Holohan going to deal with this? he will probably wag his finger again.

List of routes

Yes. I'd trust Michael O'Leary to have the ordinary person's interest at heart before that evil and uneducated fool that calls himself 'Doctor' Holohan. Never mind those other experts cretinous bastards guiding the government's response. Well done Michael. Honest, independent and informed. A true patriot.

Seanachai · 28-05-2020 03:17PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Ryanair are not backing down, you can book loads of routes from the 1st of July. How is Holohan going to deal with this? he will probably wag his finger again.

List of routes

Getting there is one thing but will we be in quarantine when we get back, do they actually visit your home?

Ginger n Lemon · 28-05-2020 03:20PM

Seanachai wrote: »

Getting there is one thing but will we be in quarantine when we get back, do they actually visit your home?

Its not mandatory to quarantine for 14 days.

Whats mandatory is to fill out a form where you "expect" to quarantine yourself for 14 days.

Anything else and you'd feel you arrive in North Korea, and while Tony H has high standards for movement restrictions, thankfully courts and EU freedom of movement is above Tony H. (hopefully this wont change)

TBH i struggle to see how 1 could quarantine if theres an obvious need to buy food / breathe fresh air / get some sun vitamin D.

Simon was very upset he couldnt make it mandatory : <

28-05-2020 03:22PM

Seanachai wrote: »

Getting there is one thing but will we be in quarantine when we get back, do they actually visit your home?

They might visit if they have a suspicion, from follow up phone calls, that you lied on the locator form (which is a criminal offence). But if you are where you say you are, but are just not self isolating, then there is no sanction. So they wouldn’t visit unless they thought you’d lied about where you are staying. I would say there would be phone calls every few days to remind you of your obligation

Penfailed · 28-05-2020 03:24PM

polesheep wrote: »

Then why the full lockdown and scaremongering? I suspect it was because we have such an appalling health service and any other response would have led to it being quickly overwhelmed.

You suspect? There was no secret made of the fact that that was the reason. It was always about 'flattening the curve'.

Penfailed · 28-05-2020 03:34PM

Scotland are only just having the first easing of restrictions today. Meanwhile in the north, there won't be any face to face lectures in the Ulster University until after Christmas. The first semester will all be done online.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings