Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

average_runner

GAA are hopeful their kids summer camps will start up

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

More from FF:

“ Fianna Fáil's justice spokesperson said the Government needs to expedite the lifting of restrictions before 10 August given that Spain and Italy are lifting restrictions fully by June.”

Boards 4 weeks ago: "If FG don't do something, we'll end up devastated like Spain or Italy"
Boards today: "FG should be trying to imitate Spain and Italy!!!!"

seamus wrote: »

And on a journal article, that's no mean feat. It goes to show that online platforms are considerably out of whack with the man on the street. The actual approval ratings are likely higher than that again, despite the vocal minorities online.

The dangers of listening to the vocal minority:

https://madison365.com/two-weeks-after-court-scraps-safer-at-home-wisconsin-sets-record-for-new-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths/

Two weeks TO THE DAY after lifting the order, Wisconsin sets record for both deaths and new cases. People DEMANDING the place be reopened immediately are in cloud cuckoo land.

polesheep

Penfailed wrote: »

You suspect? There was no secret made of the fact that that was the reason. It was always about 'flattening the curve'.

Are you saying that the government publicly acknowledged, at any time, that we have an appalling health service? And flattening the curve had nothing to do with an appalling health service. Even a top notch health service would have required flattening the curve.

road_high

RobitTV wrote: »

Ryanair are not backing down, you can book loads of routes from the 1st of July. How is Holohan going to deal with this? he will probably wag his finger again.

List of routes

Good ole Ryanair. They'll probably force this farce to end. Don’t they pay their corporation taxes here? Communication behind the screens no doubt going on

Pitch n Putt

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A complete and utter disgrace

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1265940667303448576?s=19

There may be some logic to this if this virus was raging throughout the country but to even consider giving out a statement like that with what we know about this virus now with 89 % recovery rate is an absolute scandal.

Heads should roll over this.

Penfailed

polesheep wrote: »

Are you saying that the government publicly acknowledged, at any time, that we have an appalling health service?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

polesheep wrote: »

And flattening the curve had nothing to do with an appalling health service. Even a top notch health service would have required flattening the curve.

Yeah, hence the lockdown. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Multipass

Penfailed wrote: »

Scotland are only just having the first easing of restrictions today. Meanwhile in the north, there won't be any face to face lectures in the Ulster University until after Christmas. The first semester will all be done online.

Universities here are saying the same.

polesheep

Penfailed wrote: »

No, that's not what I'm saying.



Yeah, hence the lockdown. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

You said that there was no secret made of the fact that we have an appalling health service. That's not true. The government continually defends the health service and has never conceded that it is appalling.

RobitTV

I fully understand that some people don't have warm feelings towards Michael O'Leary and look that's a very fair way to feel. He isn't an angel and he isn't perfect by any means. I also have some reservations about him.

But it's nice to see someone who is well known and has influence begin to speak out against the government and the shambles they have created.

Let's face it, Michael O'Leary isn't one for backing down and he won't be putting up with Holohan or Simon Harris lecturing him.

O'Leary has a net worth of around €1 billion euro and he has the financial power to call in the big gun lawyers.

SusanC10

average_runner wrote: »

GAA are hopeful their kids summer camps will start up

From when though ?
We had one booked for July 13th but got Email from Club saying no underage activities until earliest July 20th.

tobefrank321

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

There may be some logic to this if this virus was raging throughout the country but to even consider giving out a statement like that with what we know about this virus now with 89 % recovery rate is an absolute scandal.

Heads should roll over this.

The recovery rate is actually 99%, if you include the many people who were never tested for covid 19.

Most of the screening programs are done outside hospitals. I think the bowel screening one is actually done by post in many cases, in that you submit your own sample.

The risk of catching covid 19 while being screened is minimal and even if you did, you'd be over it in a few weeks, whereas your cancer could last years.

Delays in screening and diagnoses will cost many lives.

Professor Moriarty

RobitTV wrote: »

I fully understand that some people don't have warm feelings towards Michael O'Leary and look that's a very fair way to feel. He isn't an angel and he isn't perfect by any means. I also have some reservations about him.

But it's nice to see someone who is well known and has influence begin to speak out against the government and the shambles they have created.

Let's face it, Michael O'Leary isn't one for backing down and he won't be putting up with Holohan or Simon Harris lecturing him.

O'Leary has a net worth of around €1 billion euro and he has the financial power to call in the big gun lawyers.

Good man Michael. A billionaire with the ordinary man's best interests at heart. Hope he drains the swamp. My hero.

manniot2

Is the 14 day thing in legislation now? Does anyone know what act? Thanks

stephenjmcd

manniot2 wrote: »

Is the 14 day thing in legislation now? Does anyone know what act? Thanks

Mandatory to fill in the form, the 14 day quarantine isn't mandatory or in legislation

Ginger n Lemon

Absolute disgrace.

"The HSE needs to urgently address Covid-19 restrictions as it is unacceptable a woman in this country can now go buy paint in Woodies but is unable to get a potentially life saving smear test, according to to a father of two who lost his young wife to cervical cancer.

Stephen Teap of Carrigaline, Co Cork whose wife Irene died arising out of deficiencies in Cervical Check, has said health screenings need to be reinstated as soon as is safely possible."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/are-they-working-on-a-plan-cork-widower-wants-clarity-on-cancer-screening-services-1002215.html

The amount of legal cases SCA will have to pay out and settle in the aftermath of all this, easily billions. IMF help will seem inevitable

average_runner

SusanC10 wrote: »

From when though ?
We had one booked for July 13th but got Email from Club saying no underage activities until earliest July 20th.

Probably the 20th of July

Clonmel1000

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Mandatory to fill in the form, the 14 day quarantine isn't mandatory or in legislation

Is this open to review in June do you know? Surely the EU will step in?

Roanmore

I would like to see the restrictions lifted faster but you can't really lay the blame at Tony Holohan, he's doing his job as the CMO.
What's the old maxim, "Advisers advise, Ministers Decide".

Simon Harris seems to be taking the lead here, Pascal O'Donoghue and Heather Humphries need to be more vocal. Who knows, maybe behind the scenes they are but the only face / voice we are seeing / hearing is Harris.

fr336

Ryanair are perfectly within their rights to get going again. They have put in place measures such as compulsory face coverings. Other businesses rushing to open up can earn their right to when they have adequate measures in place which are policed properly.

manniot2

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Mandatory to fill in the form, the 14 day quarantine isn't mandatory or in legislation

Thanks. Is the mandatory to fill in the form bit in legislation anywhere or how does that work?

KrustyUCC

That's a sad reflection on the others if Simon '18 other coroviruses' Harris is a stronger voice at this stage

stephenjmcd

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Is this open to review in June do you know? Surely the EU will step in?

Legislation lapses 18th June so will have to be reviewed before then.

I'd be surprised if Leo or whoever is in charge in June didn't have contact from the commission in advance seeing as most european countries will be lifting restrictions on travel through June and July.

Ginger n Lemon

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's a sad reflection on the others if Simon '18 other coroviruses' Harris is a stronger voice at this stage

Its an even sadder reflection our government cant provide Cervical, Breast, Bowel & Diabetic Retinopathy screening programmes to its citizens - HSE says it can not give any date for resumption.

If i had a daughter who needed such test I would be out there in front of government buildings making some serious noise day and night. This is getting to mass murder stage that will only be identified next year.

As other poster said heads really should roll for this

manniot2

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's a sad reflection on the others if Simon '18 other coroviruses' Harris is a stronger voice at this stage

Harris cant lose - he wont be blamed for the economy collapsing and wont have to pick up the pieces.

stephenjmcd

manniot2 wrote: »

Thanks. Is the mandatory to fill in the form bit in legislation anywhere or how does that work?

Yeah was signed in last week under Harris using his emergency powers.

D.Q

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Its an even sadder reflection our government cant provide Cervical, Breast, Bowel & Diabetic Retinopathy screening programmes to its citizens - HSE says it can not give any date for resumption.

If i had a daughter who needed such test I would be out there in front of government buildings making some serious noise day and night. This is getting to mass murder stage that will only be identified next year.

As other poster said heads really should roll for this

Hysterical nonsense. Mass murder is an insane statement. Your hypothetical daughter doesn't count as a murder victim.

Ginger n Lemon

fr336 wrote: »

Ryanair are perfectly within their rights to get going again. They have put in place measures such as compulsory face coverings. Other businesses rushing to open up can earn their right to when they have adequate measures in place which are policed properly.

I think I read somewhere that Aviation contributes 9 -12% of all governments tax income for the year. Something like 4/5 billion euros per year.

If Ryanair doesnt fly we ll be 10% poorer on top of all the lost tax revenue from fall in retail, hospitality etc.

Seriously concerning. Aerlingus is 2nd biggest contributor but obviously much smaller than Ryanair as passengers carried per year is like 20 m vs 150m.

Ginger n Lemon

D.Q wrote: »

Hysterical nonsense. Mass murder is an insane statement. Your hypothetical daughter doesn't count as a murder victim.

You are clearly not affected by any of these screening programmes being called.

Good for you.

Lets revisit your post 18 months from now.

PS below is an insane statement. Been like that for 11 weeks now. 11 weeks.

Breast screening - BreastCheck
Breast screening is paused due to the coronavirus outbreak. If you are worried about symptoms, please phone your GP. Never ignore symptoms. For other queries, phone Freephone 1800 45 45 55.

https://www2.hse.ie/breast-screening/

LeeroyJ.

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Fair play to Germany showing us the way forward. They really are the only competent nation in the EU.

Germany, like the Czech republic made wearing masks mandatory. There is a staggering amount of people here though that want the economy to reopen but will fight tooth and nail against wearing mask to help stop the spread and protect others. Wearing mask indoors should have been made mandatory a long time ago and still should once retail reopens.its a tiny concession to help people keep safer and feel safer

tobefrank321

I'm no fan of Ryanair but they directly or indirectly support hundreds of thousands if not more than a million jobs across Europe. Its vital to see airlines back at almost full capacity, transferring people safely around the continent. 14 day qurantines were needed back in March and April when we were getting a grip on this.
Going forward we need to look at fast turnaround testing at airports.

The government have been behind the curve on everything else so I don't expect them to be any better at this. But fast turnaround testing would make a big difference to improving our economic outlook.