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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #7022
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    That's 2 days is a row all journalist's asked questions exclusively about Cummings.

    If they are not going to ask questions related to the presentation they should not be allowed into the briefings at all. They have plenty other opportunity to ask questions about Cummings as seen this morning.

    I suggest members of the public should ask all the questions from now on. You know real people who live in the real world. Not people who have to answer to their editor-in-chief or have to be seen to perform for their Twitter fans.


  • #7023
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Bad move by Johnson. He will be judged on his handling of the Covid crisis; whatever "uncharted territory, conflicting advice" etc excuses he could try will no longer work now he has doubled down on how worthless guidelines are to his advisors and now to himself.


  • #7024
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1264601893571039242


  • #7025
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    AllForIt wrote: »
    That's 2 days is a row all journalist's asked questions exclusively about Cummings.

    If they are not going to ask questions related to the presentation they should not be allowed into the briefings at all. They have plenty other opportunity to ask questions about Cummings as seen this morning.

    I suggest members of the public should ask all the questions from now on. You know real people who live in the real world. Not people who have to answer to their editor-in-chief or have to be seen to perform for their Twitter fans.

    You think johnson shouldn't have to face tough questions from journalists just nice easy cherry picked ones from the public?


  • #7026
    dogbert27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1264601893571039242

    Post has been taken down!


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  • #7027
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    AllForIt wrote: »
    That's 2 days is a row all journalist's asked questions exclusively about Cummings.

    If they are not going to ask questions related to the presentation they should not be allowed into the briefings at all. They have plenty other opportunity to ask questions about Cummings as seen this morning.

    I suggest members of the public should ask all the questions from now on. You know real people who live in the real world. Not people who have to answer to their editor-in-chief or have to be seen to perform for their Twitter fans.

    If your advisor is now the story for the 3rd day, time to move that advisor on to pastures new


  • #7028
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Hadn't seen this before. Cummings own description of being locked down with his wife AND son during the time they were both ill. Begs the question what exactly the "difficult position" Johnson was referring to relates to exactly.

    https://twitter.com/Detnam1/status/1264601796456198157?s=20


  • #7029
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,168 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    If your advisor is now the story for the 3rd day, time to move that advisor on to pastures new

    BJ appears to be absolutely dependant on that advisor


  • #7030
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    AllForIt wrote: »
    That's 2 days is a row all journalist's asked questions exclusively about Cummings.

    If they are not going to ask questions related to the presentation they should not be allowed into the briefings at all. They have plenty other opportunity to ask questions about Cummings as seen this morning.

    I suggest members of the public should ask all the questions from now on. You know real people who live in the real world. Not people who have to answer to their editor-in-chief or have to be seen to perform for their Twitter fans.


    I will ask again, what are your thoughts on this whole issue? Was Cummings breaking the guideline of the government when he drove all that way with his wife who was displaying symptoms?


  • #7031
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Post has been taken down!

    Yes it has as Cummings spends the next 2 days tracking down which poor sod posted it


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  • #7032
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The sound of the penny dropping:
    https://twitter.com/montie/status/1264597531402567680
    This is the same Tim Montgomerie who founded the well known Tory publication Conservative Home and was appointed to be one of Johnson's special advisers last year.

    Johnson basically has now linked himself to Cummings and by not getting rid of him and staunchly defending him, anything that Cummings does from here will tarnish himself as well.

    It didn't have to be that way, but now this scandal could define his Premierhsip.


  • #7033
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    This is obviously just a stitch up by the liberal lefty press and media,

    https://twitter.com/montie/status/1264597531402567680?s=20

    AllForIt, you are being deliberately obtuse if you think this is not a story that should be focused on. The UK better hope they don't have to go into lockdown again because Cummings and Johnson just spaffed all over any future attempts to keep the public on side during one.

    Ha, got beaten to posting the link.


  • #7034
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #7035
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    nc6000 wrote: »
    That's the UK lockdown over. Anyone can do anything now, you just have to say you're following instincts.

    Say the Police stop a car with a family in it heading off somewhere - all they have to do is say they have developed symptoms and are going to isolate near where they have family.

    Wish a senior Irish politician/adviser could be caught doing something similar so I could head to Donegal for a weekend


  • #7036
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Johnson was getting very tetchy by the end of the press conference. I think he was just a few questions away from doing a Trump and just turning his back and walking away, which is what he essentially did by ignoring follow ups and muting journalists.

    People will still choose to be blind to it, but he is not fit to be leader ad he doesn't have the temperament or emotional intelligence or even the work ethic to do a good job. His record is shocking as mayor of London and he has thousands of deaths on his hands for dithering and giving unclear messaging to people.


  • #7037
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Was it entirely coincidental neither mirror nor guardian were represented at the briefing today? Didnt see any suggestion they were excluded anyway, you'd expect at least one of them to be present every day.

    Anyway, Pippa Crerar might be dropping a gentle hint here, i think.

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1264597652311879691?s=20


  • #7038
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    There's a huge amount of negative reaction to Johnson's tv appearance (rightly so). I don't think this can be glossed over that easily at this stage.

    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1264205885427064832?s=19

    https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1264588916805586945?s=19


  • #7039
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

    His wife's sister lived around the corner. He also went back to Durham weeks later.


  • #7040
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

    It is very important that individuals with symptoms that may be due to coronavirus (COVID-19) and their household members stay at home. Staying at home will help control the spread of the virus to friends, the wider community, and particularly the most vulnerable.

    UK Government advice


  • #7041
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

    Many followed government guidelines and stayed home, what would you have done?


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  • #7042
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    #Followingthescience


    https://twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1264606173212409857?s=20


  • #7043
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Enzokk wrote: »
    This is obviously just a stitch up by the liberal lefty press and media,

    https://twitter.com/montie/status/1264597531402567680?s=20.

    Writers from The Times now sticking their boot in:
    https://twitter.com/PCollinsTimes/status/1264592894612123649

    Honestly it's hard to see how a person who isn't tone deaf could come out and deliver a performance like Johnson did today, although this and the action during the week when he wanted to charge NHS staff for treatment suggests that he is indeed, completely tone deaf.

    I guess that is the problem when you are surrounded by some of the people he has in key positions in Cabinet who are a shadow of some of those purged and retired Tories who were in the last Government who were rather more honourable and principled and in touch, even if I didn't share their politics.

    He's literally the bona fide example of an out of touch, deluded, arrogant self centred leader.


  • #7044
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    This is GUBU


  • #7045
    dogbert27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Enzokk wrote: »
    #Followingthescience


    https://twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1264606173212409857?s=20

    Now replaced with

    #Followyourinstincts


  • #7046
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.
    Get into a car with that person and the 4 Y O child, and drive for hundreds of miles, its the only solution!


  • #7047
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    I guess his 4 year old needed to see the castle and it was the responsible thing to do,

    https://twitter.com/skynewsSam/status/1264608248797241345?s=20


  • #7048
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Was it entirely coincidental neither mirror nor guardian were represented at the briefing today? Didnt see any suggestion they were excluded anyway, you'd expect at least one of them to be present every day.

    Sky didn't get one either I noticed and they've normally got one every day, but then again they gave the Tories a pretty rough ride the last few days and Beth Rigby and Sam Coates have been much more forensic than the BBC.

    There was one comment from Beth Rigby earlier on when they were talking about the Castle that Cummings apparently went to, where she said essentially said something along the lines of how good it would have been if there was just a simple direct question about it to BJ. Makes you wonder if she wanted to but she was not selected.


  • #7049
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

    Pretty sure they don't diagnose autism that young.

    Does Cummings kid have such a diagnosis?


  • #7050
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Deleted User wrote: »
    His wife's sister lived around the corner. He also went back to Durham weeks later.

    Maybe the child with severe autism was not familiar with the sister who lives round the corner and more familiar with family where he spends most of his time.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • #7051
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    robinph wrote: »
    Pretty sure they don't diagnose autism that young.

    Does Cummings kid have such a diagnosis?

    You presume that

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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