Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

average_runner · 20-05-2020 01:16PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Only thing they achieved was three more weeks of pent up demand and now more people will be able to travel legally to IKEA

IKEA wouldn't have been the chaos you think it would have been

Problem is we don't need to rush to Ikea. Order online or use amazon.

Everything can be ordered online, not sure why we have to queue outside shops

iamwhoiam · 20-05-2020 01:16PM

Smyths toy store are very organised . Click and collect only . You get a text to say its ready , a small queue with markers on the ground . They have a table and counter at the door and a girl behind the screen , show your e mail or text on the phone and the order is placed on the table . No receipt at the door it is send by e mail
Two pools and a pump got so easily and quickly . Fair play to all business who are organising themselves and getting on with it

lawrencesummers · 20-05-2020 01:21PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Visitors from the US and Canada made up 2.1 of our 9.9 million visitors in 2017 so they're a big chunk of our market to piss off.

And of that 2.1 million visitors what % will we definitely not see this year regardless of what happens? 80/90%???

The US tourist market is a write off this year unfortunately, allowing the small remainder to travel cannot be worth the risk, and could be at the detriment of the closer tourism markets.

A second wave and second lockdown eliminates the larges tourist market that Ireland has, itself.

gmisk · 20-05-2020 01:23PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

People want to go to an open restaurant

Shocker

I think it's a stretch to call McDonald's a restaurant....
I think it's more likely people are bored and just want something to do, it been well publicised some are drive thrus are re-opening in Dublin.

Along the lines of ...sure we will go for a drive to get ice cream in Mc Donald's?

stephenjmcd · 20-05-2020 01:24PM

This is the greatest load of sh1te if they plan on bringing this in. It'll not just kill hospitality but a barrier to every other business across the country. Serious clarity needed

https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1263076589044195329?s=19

Rodin · 20-05-2020 01:26PM

road_high wrote: »

Why? Because rte said so?

Because there would have been a frenzy in one of the worst hit areas of the country for the virus.

A few more weeks when the new cases are negligible would be much better

I also think the 5k rule wouldn't have been enforced. If it had, most of Dublin City wouldn't be allowed to visit anyway

average_runner · 20-05-2020 01:26PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

People want to go to an open restaurant

Shocker

But most drive thrus were always open except for MCD.
Just stupid people

namloc1980 · 20-05-2020 01:26PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Great to see. No one hurting anyone else in their cars

Ah yes, great to see a load of cars sitting there going nowhere spewing out their toxic fumes. And the clamour of horns beeping, great to hear also.

NegativeCreep · 20-05-2020 01:27PM

average_runner wrote: »

But most drive thrus were always open except for MCD.
Just stupid people

People like McDonalds shocker

gmisk · 20-05-2020 01:28PM

average_runner wrote: »

But most drive thrus were always open except for MCD.
Just stupid people

I don't think they were, pretty sure KFC was closed, not sure about Burger King.

But I agree.

You can barely classify that muck as food

average_runner · 20-05-2020 01:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This is the greatest load of sh1te if they plan on bringing this in. It'll not just kill hospitality but a barrier to every other business across the country. Serious clarity needed

https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1263076589044195329?s=19

Doesn't mention hospitality anywhere. Sure you are allowed in to your offices now if you want, if you can't work from home.

Teachers are back in the schools, my kids teachers are.

prunudo · 20-05-2020 01:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This is the greatest load of sh1te if they plan on bringing this in. It'll not just kill hospitality but a barrier to every other business across the country. Serious clarity needed

https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1263076589044195329?s=19

They've lost the run of themselves, what about all the supermarket staff who have been doing 10 hr shifts making sure everyone has got food on the table the last 10 weeks. Are they dropping dead.
Someone needs to call them out on this scaremongering and over hyping this virus.

mandrake04 · 20-05-2020 01:29PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

"Rapid Covid-19 test by Irish group HiberGene gets EU approval
Accurate, low-cost test can deliver results for patients with coronavirus within 30 minutes"

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/rapid-covid-19-test-by-irish-group-hibergene-gets-eu-approval-1.4257587?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fhealth-pharma%2Frapid-covid-19-test-by-irish-group-hibergene-gets-eu-approval-1.4257587

Yeah sure, claims of accuracy are made by themselves.

The test developed by HiberGene works best for patients with moderate or high viral load – those who have been displaying symptoms for some days.

The company is working with partners in Queen’s University Belfast, Genoa in Italy and China to examine its efficacy in other patient groups – particularly those who are not yet showing any symptoms associated with the virus.

I suppose it be useful for confirming cause of death.

thegetawaycar · 20-05-2020 01:30PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1263076196339855360?s=19

At least as things open up and people are back at work those types of queues should die down.

I'm surprised the amount of people with cash to spend in McDonalds as all I'm hearing is nobody has any cash as they can't live on 350 a week.

Those still working from home you'd expect would not be in a queue at 12pm since they are working.

I'm looking forward to lockdown restrictions being relaxed but when I see the queues of cars I'm delighted that the actual restaurant isn't open as it would be chaos and a sure fire way to spread the virus again. I hope most get the novelty out of their system by going via car and when the restaurant does open it will be safe to do so.

namloc1980 · 20-05-2020 01:34PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

People like McDonalds shocker

Indeed. Always find it shocking that people actually enjoy eating that stuff.

average_runner · 20-05-2020 01:36PM

gmisk wrote: »

I don't think they were, pretty sure KFC was closed, not sure about Burger King.

But I agree.

You can barely classify that muck as food

KFC and Burger King drive were open in Liffey Valley.
Not proud I know this

lawrencesummers · 20-05-2020 01:37PM

Dovies wrote: »

Had this conversation the other night. Now I love my travel and always have a suitcase ready to go
But I definitely wouldn't be looking at the US for the rest of the year. The decisions being made are far too random and unpredictable. Now Rory has pi**ed of DT you could end up stuck in some backward town in Texas!

I like travel as well, have seen a lot of the US and there are plenty of places in the US I would like to see, New Orleans, San Diego, San Fran, even before this Covid thing I had decided not to travel there next time I’m going anywhere.

ShaneU · 20-05-2020 01:39PM

At least 50 cars queueing at McDonald's Artane

FintanMcluskey · 20-05-2020 01:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This is the greatest load of sh1te if they plan on bringing this in. It'll not just kill hospitality but a barrier to every other business across the country. Serious clarity needed

https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1263076589044195329?s=19

Is this restriction in other countries??

Or is it someone in the HSA trying to stay relevant?

the kelt · 20-05-2020 01:46PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Couple of negative 'relaxation of restriction' stories from abroad today.
France rolling back on the opening of racecourses (horses) a week after they re-opened.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/horse-racing/52728681

Valencia in Spain cancels plans to move onto it's Phase 2 this weekend, putting it back a week.
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/05/20/costa-blancas-valencia-will-not-ask-to-move-to-phase-2-next-monday-due-to-prudence-and-responsibility/

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It raises the question of whether it's better to move fast and have to roll-back with the psychological negatives that brings, or move very slowly and hopefully escalate.

Not really.

These are countries that have the wherewithall to actually recognise that the country is made up of different areas unlike our own who think someone walking from Stephens Green to UCD and back coming in contact with hundreds and hundreds of people is the same as walking 5km in the backarse of Leitrim where you will literally be lucky to meet anyone other than one fella who might pass you on a tractor.

France closed down racecourses in areas where the numbers werent good again, no issue at all with that, its prudent.

We have areas much the same hot spots and regions with little issues but of course it would take imagination to think of treating them differently.

20-05-2020 01:47PM

seamus wrote: »

That's not how it works. Credit lines at an international level don't "dry up".
Even when the entire planet has been on fire because everyone is at war with one another, credit lines have been available.

We'll be repaying the cost of this crisis for a decade or two, and I'm OK with that.

Correct - and the underlying source of this credit are central banks simply creating money - all that is needed is confidence in the market that it will be repaid, and the productive capacity in the economy to absorb the liquidity without inflation

seamus · 20-05-2020 01:51PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'd seriously suggest emigrating if at all possible. Bigger economies like Germany, Canada etc will bounce back quicker than Ireland.

I remember people saying this in 2009 as well. There was no end of people back then willing to bet the farm that the Irish would be eating bread and water for the next two decades.

This is an exceptional event, there's fvck all really we can do about the fact that we went into this with huge national debt.

If we don't borrow money to carry us through, then we're going to have to dump hundreds of thousands of people into actual poverty virtually overnight. This will kick off social and legal problems that will persist for decades.

Why people think that's the preferred option is beyond me. National debt is less of a concern, it spreads the burden over multiples of decades in a way that it barely impacts the life of the individual.

Like I say, the fact that we went into this with a huge debt is beyond our control. If we would have borrowed because we had no debt, then we should borrow now.

stephenjmcd · 20-05-2020 01:54PM

average_runner wrote: »

Doesn't mention hospitality anywhere. Sure you are allowed in to your offices now if you want, if you can't work from home.

Teachers are back in the schools, my kids teachers are.

I said all business not just hospitality. Its current interpretation looks like you cant work with someone for more than 2 hours

20-05-2020 01:55PM

seamus wrote: »

I remember people saying this in 2009 as well. There was no end of people back then willing to bet the farm that the Irish would be eating bread and water for the next two decades.

This is an exceptional event, there's fvck all really we can do about the fact that we went into this with huge national debt.

If we don't borrow money to carry us through, then we're going to have to dump hundreds of thousands of people into actual poverty virtually overnight. This will kick off social and legal problems that will persist for decades.

Why people think that's the preferred option is beyond me. National debt is less of a concern, it spreads the burden over multiples of decades in a way that it barely impacts the life of the individual.

Like I say, the fact that we went into this with a huge debt is beyond our control. If we would have borrowed because we had no debt, then we should borrow now.

All modern economic thinking tells you to borrow and spend in a crisis and save during good times.

average_runner · 20-05-2020 01:58PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I said all business not just hospitality. Its current interpretation looks like you cant work with someone for more than 2 hours

I believe that when i see it

frillyleaf · 20-05-2020 02:03PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

There's something up with Twitter - can't get the website, and pics or videos won't load on the app.

But I get the gist of it.

FFS :rolleyes: :mad:

We are SO predictable - and people wonder why they're terrified of opening up the lockdown?

Yes, you can see why it they are nervous opening up lockdown with scenes like this!

20-05-2020 02:03PM

Yes its ridiculous that 50 cars are queuing for McDonald's drive through

But is it actually harming anyone? No. Country has gone a bit hysterical tbh

robbiezero · 20-05-2020 02:04PM

seamus wrote: »

I remember people saying this in 2009 as well. There was no end of people back then willing to bet the farm that the Irish would be eating bread and water for the next two decades.

This is an exceptional event, there's fvck all really we can do about the fact that we went into this with huge national debt.

If we don't borrow money to carry us through, then we're going to have to dump hundreds of thousands of people into actual poverty virtually overnight. This will kick off social and legal problems that will persist for decades.

Why people think that's the preferred option is beyond me. National debt is less of a concern, it spreads the burden over multiples of decades in a way that it barely impacts the life of the individual.

Like I say, the fact that we went into this with a huge debt is beyond our control. If we would have borrowed because we had no debt, then we should borrow now.

What was all the kerfuffle about at the turn of the decade if it barely impacts the life of the individual.

* I agree, that borrowing is the obvious way out of it, but I'm not sure it will only "barely impact" the life of the individual. Surely at some point we have to start paying some of this back as in the capital sum or if 2008 occurs again and interest rates rise, we will be crippled.

Stormyteacup · 20-05-2020 02:05PM

the kelt wrote: »

Not really.

These are countries that have the wherewithall to actually recognise that the country is made up of different areas unlike our own who think someone walking from Stephens Green to UCD and back coming in contact with hundreds and hundreds of people is the same as walking 5km in the backarse of Leitrim where you will literally be lucky to meet anyone other than one fella who might pass you on a tractor.

France closed down racecourses in areas where the numbers werent good again, no issue at all with that, its prudent.

We have areas much the same hot spots and regions with little issues but of course it would take imagination to think of treating them differently.

Yes absolutely - it’s past time we started a targeted approach to suppressing infections. Hotspots, care homes, points of entry to country.

Can’t help but think the crowds out to McDonalds are a pushback response. Understandable people would welcome some normality, especially with young kids - must be a treat for little ones having being denied such a lot for weeks.

Surely no danger in your car going for drive-through meal. No need for judgement on people’s food choices, or wonderment at how people are able to afford it.

It’s uncomfortable that some have been enjoying the quiet roads so much that it influences thinking on having our government create laws and give Gardai unprecedented powers for an extended length of time at great cost.

Just had a google to see when Dr. Nolan had first announced that transmission in the general population was zero, it was 24th April, almost four weeks ago.

NegativeCreep · 20-05-2020 02:06PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Yes, you can see why it they are nervous opening up lockdown with scenes like this!

What harm are they doing sitting alone or as a family unit in a car?
People need to look after themselves and stop moaning about what everyone else is doing.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings