Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You see what your missing with the 97% accuracy statement is the inaccuracy of presymptomatic people.

Testing on landing means people have Potentially travelled with Infected people, been infected themselves and will pass tests on landing.

To reduce that risk airlines have to implement restrictions, mandatory mask wearing, sanitising etc.

But we also need to stop travel from countries that have no handle on the spread, which typically are countries that don’t contribute greatly anyway to our tourism, this will rescue greatly the risk of another wave and allow tourism from countries that have a handle on the problem.

I dont have figures off top of my head but Id say US tourists contribute greatly. And most states in US dont care about covid.

We are running into problems very early in our assessment :S

And most airlines have already made masks mandatory and do temperature checks prior to departure, if you have over 38 degrees temperature you are sent home.

Allinall wrote: »

We are.

That's where the lots of money is coming from. :rolleyes:

You do understand there isn't a good thing ?? If credit lines dry up due to every other country looking to the same institutions that leaves us up the creek.

Dept of social protection 8 billion budget gone by June.

We don't have "lots of money" if that's your understand of finance and economics

boring accountant wrote: »

No they don’t. They are going to be having another bond sale soon as they will run out of money in early June. If the bond sale doesn’t go as planned the next stop will be the IMF.

It will be interesting to see. Those with their own central banks will print money, as countries always do at at time of severe crisis. There was a former member of the Bank of England monetary committee yesterday saying this was the way to go, based on a wartime response, and decrying the economic illiteracy of the 'money doesn't grow on trees' dogma brigade.

The real crux will be what Europe does, and if that outdated ideology of fiscal 'prudence' and 'tough choices' -- a bit like the lockdown lovers -- prevents us from moving on.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Would you travel to somewhere that US or Brazilian people are flocking to? I doubt it.

Had this conversation the other night. Now I love my travel and always have a suitcase ready to go
But I definitely wouldn't be looking at the US for the rest of the year. The decisions being made are far too random and unpredictable. Now Rory has pi**ed of DT you could end up stuck in some backward town in Texas!

Wibbs wrote: »

If the government and HSE weren't overly cautious(AKA bumbling eejits) in the first place and made better decisions and showed actual leadership during this crisis then we'd have a lot fewer sticks to beat them with.

And no, Leo quoting Heaney isn't leadership. Leadership would have been a proactive lockdown coming earlier when it was bloody obvious the poo was hitting the propeller, border control, cross border cooperation with the North(which even FF were able to manage during foot and mouth), consistent testing, consistent contact tracing, not trying to open up the care homes, not having so many "advisories". The list is a long one and it's not as if they couldn't have looked to countries that nailed this thing down hard and did so well in advance of us. And here we are today and they're still bumbling around like headless bloody chickens.

And of course people will look to deaths and the HSE. The latter hasn't been fit for purpose for decades at the admin level and our deaths are too damned high when compared to others. And no, pointing to England and saying we did better than them is like a school kid with C's and D's on his report card saying he did better than the kid in the back of the class with the crayon up his nose.

Again though, the correct decisions are obvious to many, in hindsight maybe yes, but they are obvious because the natural and important instinct here amongst the ordinary population is to make whatever call, and fast that can and will keep as many people as possible... healthy, safe and alive...

FG and Leo in particular are a money party. Their first loyalty as we have seen is to business, business people, balance sheets, spreadsheets, money worshipers and the health and wellbeing thereof...

We the ordinary citizens have been left behind and always will be when this kind of schmuck and these ‘anti people’ are in charge... a gay man and the son of an immigrant... not exactly the hallmarks of someone aligned VERY much to the right but that’s where the guy IS aligned and where his first loyalty’s lie.

Not you and me, not OUR health and wellbeing but to the business people currently frothing at the mouth to open and regain a sense of profit.

A healthy overall population or healthy business community... ? He was elected to serve the population... as set out in the constitution....

He is the definition of shady, not just a bad politician, actually shady and when the shît has hit the fan we have seen where his primary loyalties are, which community he will look after... let’s not forget it.

seamus wrote: »

That's not how it works. Credit lines at an international level don't "dry up".
Even when the entire planet has been on fire because everyone is at war with one another, credit lines have been available.

We'll be repaying the cost of this crisis for a decade or two, and I'm OK with that.

Ok I'll rephrase it as the minister said, sentiments towards countries can change, the rates at which we can borrow change.

If as a previous poster stated the bond sale doesn't go to plan then what ??

You might be ok with that, I'm not comfortable with it. I'm already part of a generation who are priced out of purchasing our own homes due to the last crisis and the resulting cost of that crisis, sure just throw this one on top of it too. Let's see how many people are ok with the cost of it when it hits their taxes come the next budget.

frillyleaf wrote: »

In fairness could you imagine the scenes at IKEA if it opened up with hardware stores. It would have meant a huge proportion of people would have gone to IKEA as opposed to going to a hardware store. Now with Ikea being delayed by three weeks means people will go to hardware stores over the next few weeks to get what they can so there won’t be as much of a panic.

If they didn’t do this it would have meant too much traffic to control. It likely would have been closed down. I suspect Ikea will initially have to open by pre booked time slots with x amount of people booking to go in between the hours of 8am - 10am for example.

Or possibly only click and collect. Nothing to do with spread of infection, more to to with managing the huge volume of people id imagine!

Let's face it. It's lockdowner revenge, because they're bloody Swedish!

frillyleaf wrote: »

In fairness could you imagine the scenes at IKEA if it opened up with hardware stores. It would have meant a huge proportion of people would have gone to IKEA as opposed to going to a hardware store. Now with Ikea being delayed by three weeks means people will go to hardware stores over the next few weeks to get what they can so there won’t be as much of a panic.

If they didn’t do this it would have meant too much traffic to control. It likely would have been closed down. I suspect Ikea will initially have to open by pre booked time slots with x amount of people booking to go in between the hours of 8am - 10am for example.

Or possibly only click and collect. Nothing to do with spread of infection, more to to with managing the huge volume of people id imagine!

Only thing they achieved was three more weeks of pent up demand and now more people will be able to travel legally to IKEA

IKEA wouldn't have been the chaos you think it would have been

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'd seriously suggest emigrating if at all possible. Bigger economies like Germany, Canada etc will bounce back quicker than Ireland.

We just came out of a boom again. The booms are getting very different, if you are highly qualifed or a good trade skill you will see a boom after every recession.
For example Accountancy and IT boomed for the last 6 years, still getting plenty of emails for jobs now in the crisis.



Germany offers you better buck for your money if your going down the family route. Ireland doesn't offer anything to a family sadly.