Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Micky 32 · 19-05-2020 10:14AM

RTE this morning being it’s cheerful self reporting the secretary general at the department of health to warn that the acute phase of the coronavirus could last for years ffs.

silverharp · 19-05-2020 10:18AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Here a question when do people think place like Dublin zoo will open, Id say the place is really struggling without the money from your average punter ,Must cost some money to just feed the animals let alone there medical bills ,

maybe they have started feeding some animals to the other animals.

seamus · 19-05-2020 10:27AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

RTE this morning being it’s cheerful self reporting the secretary general at the department of health to warn that the acute phase of the coronavirus could last for years ffs.

Jim Breslin may have a long career in public service healthcare management, but he has no medical or scientific qualifications.

I would love to know what he's basing this assertion on, or whether he's just sandbagging and trying to shore up years of additional health funding.

Funsterdelux · 19-05-2020 10:29AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Here a question when do people think place like Dublin zoo will open, Id say the place is really struggling without the money from your average punter ,Must cost some money to just feed the animals let alone there medical bills ,

Fota Wildlife Park in Cirk is opening tomorrow.

No indoor areas/cafes open, one way system and pre booking req.

So its possible the Zoo could follow suit

ek motor · 19-05-2020 10:44AM

seamus wrote: »

Jim Breslin may have a long career in public service healthcare management, but he has no medical or scientific qualifications.

I would love to know what he's basing this assertion on, or whether he's just sandbagging and trying to shore up years of additional health funding.

There's currently no evidence to the contrary, best case scenario for the moment is to keep the transmission at the low levels its currently at so economic activity can resume until an effective treatment or vaccine is available.

How can this virus just 'burn itself out' or disappear ? I haven't hear any credible evidence of this yet ?

Mike3287 · 19-05-2020 10:51AM

silverharp wrote: »

maybe they have started feeding some animals to the other animals.

Could feed you

Gregor Samsa · 19-05-2020 10:51AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

RTE this morning being it’s cheerful self reporting the secretary general at the department of health to warn that the acute phase of the coronavirus could last for years ffs.

It's hardly RTE's fault what he says to the Committee. And it's hardly surprising that the Department of Health will advise the Committee that they can't say for certain what the future holds in relation to this. That's the whole point of the Committee, to hear all sides of the issue. When the likes of IBEC come in, you'll hear nothing but doom and gloom about the economy, and a more optimistic appraisal relating to what we can do to deal with the virus itself.

yourdeadwright · 19-05-2020 10:52AM

ek motor wrote: »

There's currently no evidence to the contrary, best case scenario for the moment is to keep the transmission at the low levels its currently at so economic activity can resume until an effective treatment or vaccine is available.

How can this virus just 'burn itself out' or disappear ? I haven't hear any credible evidence of this yet ?

In theory it just runs out of hosts ,

For example if you caught it and went straight into isolation without contact with anyone else and your body fought it off and you where fine in 2 weeks then that's it its gone your body has killed it,

Boggles · 19-05-2020 10:53AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Here a question when do people think place like Dublin zoo will open, Id say the place is really struggling without the money from your average punter ,Must cost some money to just feed the animals let alone there medical bills ,

https://www.dublinzoo.ie/donate/

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 10:53AM

From RTE

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan is expected to tell the Dáil Committee on Covid-19 that there is no certainty that Ireland can keep the virus suppressed.

In his opening statement, Dr Holohan will say that the cornerstone of the response here has been based on a public health evaluation of risk.

He will also say that maintaining open, clear communications with the public, has been a central tenet of the health service response - with 52 press briefings held so far.

Dr Holohan says Ireland first heard of a novel coronavirus infection, during the second week of January.

On 30 January, the World Health Organization declared it a public health emergency of international concern

The first meeting of the National Public Health Emergency Team here was on 27 January and it has held 31 meetings so far.

Boggles · 19-05-2020 10:54AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

From RTE

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan is expected to tell the Dáil Committee on Covid-19 that there is no certainty that Ireland can keep the virus suppressed.

In his opening statement, Dr Holohan will say that the cornerstone of the response here has been based on a public health evaluation of risk.

He will also say that maintaining open, clear communications with the public, has been a central tenet of the health service response - with 52 press briefings held so far.

Dr Holohan says Ireland first heard of a novel coronavirus infection, during the second week of January.

On 30 January, the World Health Organization declared it a public health emergency of international concern

The first meeting of the National Public Health Emergency Team here was on 27 January and it has held 31 meetings so far.

Spoiler Alert!

What Username Guidelines · 19-05-2020 10:54AM

ek motor wrote: »

How can this virus just 'burn itself out' or disappear ? I haven't hear any credible evidence of this yet ?

I think its mostly hopeful that it may slow or peter out. Most recent previous pandemics, albeit influenzas, tended to come in waves, and seasonally. 1918s deadly 2nd wave actually hit in summer, which was odd, but still burned out eventually. But from what we know about this one, with long incubation and being contagious pre-symptoms, it's hard to imagine how it could, unless it mutates into something less transmissible.

One thing I do not understand about mutations, is that if it's so widely spread across the globe, lets say I pick up a mutated less deadly version, wouldnt that happen uniquely in that one transmission? How does a virus mutate across hundreds of thousand transmissions in-sync? Or does it?

Spon Farmer · 19-05-2020 10:54AM

Not sure if this is the correct place to post this but it isn’t worthy of a new thread and is lockdown related.

Has the lockdown and general health scare caused a lot more people to out walking, jogging, running and on bikes with their kids?

Or are you guys seeing and doing the same as usual?

ek motor · 19-05-2020 11:02AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I think its mostly hopeful that it may slow or peter out. Most recent previous pandemics, albeit influenzas, tended to come in waves, and seasonally. 1918s deadly 2nd wave actually hit in summer, which was odd, but still burned out eventually. But from what we know about this one, with long incubation and being contagious pre-symptoms, it's hard to imagine how it could, unless it mutates into something less transmissible.

One thing I do not understand about mutations, is that if it's so widely spread across the globe, lets say I pick up a mutated less deadly version, wouldnt that happen uniquely in that one transmission? How does a virus mutate across hundreds of thousand transmissions in-sync? Or does it?

Exactly that, the fact that asymptomatic transmission is a feature of this virus makes it impossible to control without testing and isolation of entire populations. Obviously thats not a goer.

I can see how there would be peaks and troughs as shown in the various models, but for it to be completely stopped would require a global vaccination programme.

As for the mutations, I'd imagine it mutates in a single transmission and then transmits to others as that 'mutated' strain. I'd be interested in hearing how mutations are caused ? It's been postulated that Europe and the US have been hit with a deadlier (G614 ?) mutation and the fatality figures here would seem to bear that out compared to Asia.

ek motor · 19-05-2020 11:04AM

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Not sure if this is the correct place to post this but it isn’t worthy of a new thread and is lockdown related.

Has the lockdown and general health scare caused a lot more people to out walking, jogging, running and on bikes with their kids?

Or are you guys seeing and doing the same as usual?

I'd exercise every day anyway, but obviously far more people going out for walks these days through sheer boredom as much as the health (mental an physical) benefits.

is_that_so · 19-05-2020 11:07AM

ek motor wrote: »

I'd exercise every day anyway, but obviously far more people going out for walks these days through sheer boredom as much as the health (mental an physical) benefits.

Quite a few of them would ordinarily be getting their exercise in places closed by COVID-19 so you'd never see them.

yourdeadwright · 19-05-2020 11:12AM

ek motor wrote: »

I'd exercise every day anyway, but obviously far more people going out for walks these days through sheer boredom as much as the health (mental an physical) benefits.

Think of the amount of people who exercise that you don't normally see .
How many gyms are there around now , How many people training in the morning before work or after work that you don't see , With no work they can get out now during the day ,

Even sports teams training in there football or hurling grounds away from the general public,
The indoor sports Judo, MMA , boxing, swimming badminton , endless list

All these people are now just getting out and about to exercise and its rubbing off on others who are suddenly taking up running and cycling ,

its been brilliant if you ask me,

ZX7R · 19-05-2020 11:17AM

So NPHET are to be recommend to broaden There structure to include economic specialists and more scientific person and gender interests not be solely based on a health policy.
This would bring them in line with European standard of special response teams.
Finally some sence.

owlbethere · 19-05-2020 11:23AM

Boggles wrote: »

A few hours into reopening the country.

Fúck it! let's accelerate it.

It will take 2-4 weeks to see what spread there is if any.

That's why the phases are 3 weeks apart.

If we have to shut down again that's when you will see a destroyed economy, it won't be netlfix, drinking cans and gardening, it will be actual proper hardship for large amounts of people.

Calm the fúck down basically!

Some posters are too dim to understand this part of the process and they probably don't care about anyone else but themselves and their own pockets.

Gael23 · 19-05-2020 11:26AM

ZX7R wrote: »

So NPHET are to be recommend to broaden There structure to include economic specialists and more scientific person and gender interests not be solely based on a health policy.
This would bring them in line with European standard of special response teams.
Finally some sence.

Recommended by who?

19-05-2020 11:27AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Quite a few of them would ordinarily be getting their exercise in places closed by COVID-19 so you'd never see them.

People are also losing a lot of their daily activity at work. I would typically have had around 8,000 steps by 5 pm on a normal working day, just though moving about the office, to and from meetings ect. Now I am lucky to hit 3,000 by 5pm working at home - time walking to and from meetings etc is now taken posting on boards:p.
The exercise I get in the evening is only catching up what I lost during the day, whereas before it was in excess of my typical daily activity

Paddygreen · 19-05-2020 11:36AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Some posters are too dim to understand this part of the process and they probably don't care about anyone else but themselves and their own pockets.

Totally agree owl. We need some sort of social credit system here in Ireland to keep people in check. Too many uppidy types who think they should be “free” to do things like go to the beach, go to a far away park or buy flat pack furniture and meatballs. These things are privileges guys, and privileges can be taken away. If you are not essential stay at home! do nothing! And listen to the experts! The war on coronavirus can only be won if we all stay in it together and not tolerate any dissent.

Spon Farmer · 19-05-2020 11:40AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Quite a few of them would ordinarily be getting their exercise in places closed by COVID-19 so you'd never see them.

I had not thought of that.

Spon Farmer · 19-05-2020 11:43AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Quite a few of them would ordinarily be getting their exercise in places closed by COVID-19 so you'd never see them.

I’m seeing a lot of older people though who are probably not gym goers.

Not many who be on sports teams .

ZX7R · 19-05-2020 11:48AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Recommended by who?

Fiianna fail health minister has been quoted that it will be some of the things covid-19 committee will be looking at.

FishOnABike · 19-05-2020 11:49AM

Polar101 wrote: »

Yeah - let's say there were almost no cases when we reach June/July, it wouldn't make much sense to move ahead just one phase every three weeks, just because they set some dates a few months earlier.

It makes every sense to keep the time between phases to three weeks. It's about the shortest time that the effect from restrictions being removed can be assessed

Each phase removes a number of restrictions beginning with those perceived to have the lowest risk / highest value. Beginning with the lowest risk restrictions being lifted first, we can monitor the effect to ensure the situation is still adequately controlled. As we learn more about the virus and as priorities change we may be able to move some restrictions from one phase to another.

Shortening the length of a phase essentially means we would be going into the next phase blind and increases the risk that we might have to backtrack. Keeping to three week phases allows us assess the effect of different sets of restrictions, learn and modify our behaviour if necessary and move forward with a greater degree of confidence that we won't have to take a step or two back again.

growleaves · 19-05-2020 11:49AM

Unscientific and nonsensical: Top scientist slams government’s lockdown strategy

The government's phased exit from the lockdown is nonsensical and unscientific, says one of the top scientists advising it.

Dr Glenda Gray, a member of the Ministerial Advisory Committee (MAC) and chairperson of the South African Medical Research Council (SAMRC), said the lockdown should be eradicated completely, and that non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPI), such as handwashing, wearing masks, social distancing and prohibitions on gatherings, should be put in place.

According to Gray:

• Malnutrition cases were being seen in hospitals.

• The month-to-month phasing-out of the lockdown has no basis in science.

• Many lockdown regulations were seemingly thumb sucks.

The government needed to reflect on its decisions and admit it had made mistakes because the nature of the pandemic was always changing, she said.

"You also have to be nimble enough … you have to either balance saving your face, or saving your country, and which is more important?"

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 11:49AM

TheJournal doing a livelog from committee meeting, for anyone interested.

https://www.thejournal.ie/liveblog-covid-19-committee-5102495-May2020/

It's also live here: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/dail-eireann-live/

mandrake04 · 19-05-2020 11:52AM

seamus wrote: »

I would be very slow to follow Italy's lead on this, given what a balls they made of the initial response.

Italy has very much bent to economic interests over medical advice, only time will be able to say if this is a good idea. Tourism is 14% of Italy's economy and they're terrified that they will miss the entire summer.

Yeah cunts Fucked, same with Spain as far as Covid it’s not as if they want to keep it out .....that boats kinda sailed. They wouldn’t care if citizens from other countries came to spend €€ and brought the virus back.

bekker · 19-05-2020 11:53AM

ZX7R wrote: »

So NPHET are to be recommend to broaden There structure to include economic specialists and more scientific person and gender interests not be solely based on a health policy.
This would bring them in line with European standard of special response teams.
Finally some sence.

Too little, far too late, NPHET will remain primarily a creature of DOH, HSE, the context has already been set.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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