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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #6032
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    tigger123 wrote: »
    I think it's more positive in some ways than looking for it to be completely gone. We cant go on like this forever, so it will be about managing it as best we can.

    We'll adapt to it and find new ways of doing things. The first few times I had to queue for groceries I found it really frustrating, but now it's just part of life and it doesnt bother me anymore. Stuff like that.

    See there is a way of living along side it , other countries are proving it, then there seems to be the Irish way of constant soundbites from various departments and officials which personally I feel are trying to scare the sh1t out of people. Theres such a level of fear based off what some of these officials are saying in the media.

    Even some of the worst hit countries in Spain and Italy are trying to start to live alongside this now. It'll be August before we're at the stage of reopening that they're at now. I know they say the roadmap is a living document but I wouldn't have any faith that they'll accelerate the stages seeing as we're the most conservative country in Europe


  • #6033
    accensi0n
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    See there is a way of living along side it , other countries are proving it, then there seems to be the Irish way of constant soundbites from various departments and officials which personally I feel are trying to scare the sh1t out of people. Theres such a level of fear based off what some of these officials are saying in the media.

    Which countries?


  • #6034
    tigger123
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    See there is a way of living along side it , other countries are proving it, then there seems to be the Irish way of constant soundbites from various departments and officials which personally I feel are trying to scare the sh1t out of people. Theres such a level of fear based off what some of these officials are saying in the media.

    Why do you think the officials are so determined to scare everyone?


  • #6035
    stephenjmcd
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    accensi0n wrote: »
    Which countries?

    Austria & Denmark firstly, we were told we were monitoring their progress, well their progress has been good, they're essentially at our phase 5 as of this week. Neither are seeing major increases in the virus. Denmark have even cut social distancing back to 1m

    Italy and Spain two of the worst hit countries not saying we can compare against them given the numbers they saw but again opening up at levels we wont see for another 2- 3 months.


  • #6036
    stephenjmcd
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    Why do you think the officials are so determined to scare everyone?

    Its constant doom and gloom, it's been discussed as recently as last night on the relationsations thread so I'm not going to quote posts cross thread. Dont think mods would appreciate the 2 threads being mixed up.


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  • #6037
    Plumbthedepths
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Austria & Denmark firstly, we were told we were monitoring their progress, well their progress has been good, they're essentially at our phase 5 as of this week. Neither are seeing major increases in the virus. Denmark have even cut social distancing back to 1m

    Italy and Spain two of the worst hit countries not saying we can compare against them given the numbers they saw but again opening up at levels we wont see for another 2- 3 months.

    Italy are allowing inwards travel from the 3rd of June. Restaurants, bars , hairdressers, small retail open already.


  • #6038
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Italy are allowing inwards travel from the 3rd of June. Restaurants, bars , hairdressers, small retail open already.

    Yeah exactly, some of those things we wont see for 2-3 months yet, because of the ultra conservative approach being taken here.


  • #6039
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Austria & Denmark firstly, we were told we were monitoring their progress, well their progress has been good, they're essentially at our phase 5 as of this week. Neither are seeing major increases in the virus. Denmark have even cut social distancing back to 1m

    Italy and Spain two of the worst hit countries not saying we can compare against them given the numbers they saw but again opening up at levels we wont see for another 2- 3 months.

    We will see it before 2-3 months. It seems likely that our timeline will be accelerated if in 2-3 weeks COVID-19 is pretty much non existent in Ireland, which it looks like it will be and if the data from countries that have opened up sooner than us shows no significant increase in cases.


  • #6040
    Plumbthedepths
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yeah exactly, some of those things we wont see for 2-3 months yet, because of the ultra conservative approach being taken here.

    If they leave it till August for sectors of the economy to open , they may aswell just tell those people to sign on for the regular Dole and register with Seetec.


  • #6041
    tigger123
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its constant doom and gloom, it's been discussed as recently as last night on the relationsations thread so I'm not going to quote posts cross thread. Dont think mods would appreciate the 2 threads being mixed up.

    I didn't ask what was happening, I asked why do you think they're trying to scare people, if that's what their doing.

    You do realise that the officials and politicians that are making these decisions are going to be the ones that have to clear all this up? They'll be the ones justifying these decisions to Oireachtas committees, the media, and their constituents?

    Its them that will have to get the economy back on track.


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  • #6042
    stephenjmcd
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    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    We will see it before 2-3 months. It seems likely that our timeline will be accelerated if in 2-3 weeks COVID-19 is pretty much non existent in Ireland, which it looks like it will be and if the data from countries that have opened up sooner than us shows no significant increase in cases.

    Hopefully this will be the case. The CMO said yesterday that we should have a good idea in 2 weeks time the impact so far of phase 1 so as you say hopefuly by then it might be accelerated.


  • #6043
    Plumbthedepths
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    I didn't ask what was happening, I asked why do you think they're trying to scare people, if that's what their doing.

    You do realise that the officials and politicians that are making these decisions are going to be the ones that have to clear all this up? They'll be the ones justifying these decisions to Oireachtas committees, the media, and their constituents?

    Its them that will have to get the economy back on track.

    The politicians are hiding behind Holohan, Holohan will say he was ensuring public health as that's his remit.
    The HSE is already running ads on the radio trying to alay the fear people have and come to hospitals if they need to.


  • #6044
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Based on nothing scientific and just a hunch .,I wonder was the Covid wave that hit in March and beginning of April the 2nd wave .? Was Covid around Europe in December and then in April the aggressive 2nd wave hit and it became far more noticable ? Then its now emerging that there were cases in Spain and France and Italy and here before we knew about Corvid 19 .


  • #6045
    Plumbthedepths
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Based on nothing scientific and just a hunch .,I wonder was the Covid wave that hit in March and beginning of April the 2nd wave .? Was Covid around Europe in December and then in April the aggressive 2nd wave hit and it became far more noticable ? Then its now emerging that there were cases in Spain and France and Italy and here before we knew about Corvid 19 .

    There is alot of speculation that the military games which took place in Wuhan in October last was the start of this. Many of the athletes got sick with flu like symptoms after, several were so sick they couldn't even take part in the games. I read a report from one French athletic that claimed Wuhan was like a ghost town.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327047/More-competitors-reveal-ill-World-Military-Games.html

    I know it's the mail but the story was carried by many news outlets.


  • #6046
    amadangomor
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    leahyl wrote: »
    More depressing news to wake up to :-( Jaysus can they not be some bit positive! :-P

    I would rather know the reality of the situation.

    What do you expect?

    That they lie to us and say the virus will be gone by next week, just so you can wake up to some positive news?


  • #6047
    is_that_so
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There is alot of speculation that the military games which took place in Wuhan in October last was the start of this. Many of the athletes got sick with flu like symptoms after, several were so sick they couldn't even take part in the games. I read a report from one French athletic that claimed Wuhan was like a ghost town.
    The suggestion on so-called pre-COVID early cases is that they may well have been contaminated tests. There isn't an awful lot of evidence or cases from that far back. DeGascun has pointed out that there are a variety of other viruses that can produce similar enough symptoms. Our initial case definition only produced positivity rates of 3% and at the time they said people had other things despite a belief it was COVID-19.


  • #6048
    is_that_so
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    leahyl wrote: »
    More depressing news to wake up to :-( Jaysus can they not be some bit positive! :-P
    Worst case projection does not mean mean reality worst case but it certainly informs planning. I think it is also to head off the committee bristling to pick a fight with the DoH and the CMO. Judging by some Dail contributions, some are just itching to "hold people to account".


  • #6049
    stephenjmcd
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Worst case projection does not mean mean reality worst case but it certainly informs planning. I think it is also to head off the committee bristling to pick a fight with the DoH and the CMO. Judging by some Dail contributions, some are just itching to "hold people to account".

    I think your right in terms of picking a fight part.

    This in the Irish times this morning , senior civil servants fear bullying from the committee
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/senior-officials-fear-bullying-from-d%C3%A1il-covid-19-committee-1.4256698?mode=amp


  • #6050
    Plumbthedepths
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    The suggestion on so-called pre-COVID early cases is that they may well have been contaminated tests. There isn't an awful lot of evidence or cases from that far back. DeGascun has pointed out that are a variety of other viruses that can produce similar enough symptoms. Our initial case definition only produced positivity rates of 3% and at the time they said people had other things despite a belief it was COVID-19.

    DeGascun on Primetime sometime ago could not endorse the use of masks by the public.
    The link I provided referred to French athletes. We know a man in Paris has subsequently being diagnosed as having Covid in December last. His examining doctor believed in December he had flu but the swaps from the exam were kept at the time and retested and were positive for Covid. He contracted the virus from his wife eventhough she displayed no symptoms.


  • #6051
    bmcc10
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    accensi0n wrote: »
    Which countries?

    Japan for a country so densly populated and with little measures taken in preventing it. Life is essentially back as normal.


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  • #6052
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I think your right in terms of picking a fight part.

    This in the Irish times this morning , senior civil servants fear bullying from the committee
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/senior-officials-fear-bullying-from-d%C3%A1il-covid-19-committee-1.4256698?mode=amp
    Well, the PAC have a chequered past, more than once dipping into areas beyond its remit and with some members prone to throwing shapes. Like other committees it has done very good work generally but the Angela Kerins thing, outside of what they could examine, is a very good example. Given who's on this one, it's not unreasonable to view it as an equivalent and expect questioning to veer into everything.


  • #6053
    seamus
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Italy are allowing inwards travel from the 3rd of June. Restaurants, bars , hairdressers, small retail open already.
    I would be very slow to follow Italy's lead on this, given what a balls they made of the initial response.

    Italy has very much bent to economic interests over medical advice, only time will be able to say if this is a good idea. Tourism is 14% of Italy's economy and they're terrified that they will miss the entire summer.


  • #6054
    is_that_so
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    DeGascun on Primetime sometime ago could not endorse the use of masks by the public.
    The link I provided referred to French athletes. We know a man in Paris has subsequently being diagnosed as having Covid in December last. His examining doctor believed in December he had flu but the swaps from the exam were kept at the time and retested and were positive for Covid. He contracted the virus from his wife eventhough she displayed no symptoms.
    A doctor believing is not evidence. There's not a lot of evidence for it and the WHO did flag for people to go back and check tests. Really not sure what his stance on masks has to do with testing. His position has been consistent and it is the position of the NPHET.


  • #6055
    Widdensushi
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    seamus wrote: »
    I would be very slow to follow Italy's lead on this, given what a balls they made of the initial response.

    Italy has very much bent to economic interests over medical advice, only time will be able to say if this is a good idea. Tourism is 14% of Italy's economy and they're terrified that they will miss the entire summer.

    We haven't stopped people coming in and have an open border that people drive in without any checks or record of them entering the country


  • #6056
    Boggles
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, the PAC have a chequered past, more than once dipping into areas beyond its remit and with some members prone to throwing shapes. Like other committees it has done very good work generally but the Angela Kerins thing, outside of what they could examine, is a very good example. Given who's on this one, it's not unreasonable to view it as an equivalent and expect questioning to veer into everything.

    Bollíx, she was absolutely creaming state money which she tried to keep a secret. They were well within their remit to highlight it.

    She won her case on a few technicalities.

    I'm not one of these people who thinks CEOs of Charities should not get a decent wage, but she was absolutely taking the píss and rightly rumbled.


  • #6057
    is_that_so
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Bollíx, she was absolutely creaming state money which she tried to keep a secret. They were well within their remit to highlight it.

    She won her case on a few technicalities.

    I'm not one of these people who thinks CEOs of Charities should not get a decent wage, but she was absolutely taking the píss and rightly rumbled.

    Not disputing what happened in her job but they went after her as the SC judgement against PAC confirmed. Unlawful action by PAC is not a technicality.


  • #6058
    seamus
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    Widdensushi wrote: »
    We haven't stopped people coming in and have an open border that people drive in without any checks or record of them entering the country
    The numbers coming in through airports are very low and we've had at least rudimentary checks. Italy is going for a full open borders approach.
    It's a gigantic gamble, we don't know how it'll play out unti the end of June at the earliest.


  • #6059
    Boggles
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not disputing what happened in her job but they went after her as the SC judgement against PAC confirmed. Unlawful action by PAC is not a technicality.

    All law is technical.

    Their job is to hold people who take public money to account, job done.

    The CEO that replaced her was on around half her wage.


  • #6060
    polesheep
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    Why do you think the officials are so determined to scare everyone?

    Fear brings compliance.


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  • #6061
    yourdeadwright
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    Here a question when do people think place like Dublin zoo will open, Id say the place is really struggling without the money from your average punter ,Must cost some money to just feed the animals let alone there medical bills ,


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