How will schools be able to go back in September?

Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »

Says the person telling lies and sneering at teachers.

Yes miss lol

Hearty80 wrote: »

Everyone knows how strong the teachers unions are. I may be mistaken but I believe teachers are the only ones sitting at home not working on full pay?? The government wanted to have the leaving cert in July but again had to retreat.

Ok lets dismantle this work of fiction:

Firstly "everyone knows" - who precisely is everyone?

Secondly "how strong the teachers unions are" you mean the same unions that have failed to secure pay equality fortheir new entrants since 2011? Almost a decade failing to solve an inequality issue? The sameunions that allowed the farce that is the new Junior Cert to come in to practice? These "strong" unions can hold the government to school closures for whose benefit exactly?

Thirdly; Teachers are working from home and like all workers working from home they are being paid.

Finally, teachers wanted the LC to happen. Lobbying by parents and students as well as media personalities and opportunistic politicians got it cancelled. Not teachers. We're in a far worse position, as are our students, as a result of the decision not to go ahead with it.

Hearty80 wrote: »

Working from home??? My sons teacher sent a picture of a page of a book each day last week. This week so far nothing. Not a little video, a voice message nothing. Anyway I'm done I didn't realise this forum was full of teachers. But I suppose it stands to reason as there the only ones with nothing to do for 6 months.

Have you contacted the teacher?
Have you sent any work to be corrected?

Are you here to troll like other threads you have been on or to have sensible discourse instead of teacher bashing?

Hearty80 wrote: »

Oh the teachers are out in force today hahaha, everyone in my family has worked tirelessly throughout this pandemic. I'm actually embarrassed for teachers.

You've no argument other than stick your hands in your ears when asked for an intelligent response in relation to the tripe you spew.

I haven't had any personal association with a school since I left after doing my leaving in the early 90s.

Now if it makes you feel deadly with comments like that, fire away, you are being embarrassed, but not for the reasons you say.

History Queen wrote: »

Ok lets dismantle this work of fiction:

Firstly "everyone knows" - who precisely is everyone?

Secondly "how strong the teachers unions are" you mean the same unions that have failed to secure pay equality fortheir new entrants since 2011? Almost a decade failing to solve an inequality issue? The sameunions that allowed the farce that is the new Junior Cert to come in to practice? These "strong" unions can hold the government to school closures for whose benefit exactly?

Thirdly; Teachers are working from home and like all workers working from home they are being paid.

Finally, teachers wanted the LC to happen. Lobbying by parents and students as well as media personalities and opportunistic politicians got it cancelled. Not teachers. We're in a far worse position, as are our students, as a result of the decision not to go ahead with it.

A parent in my sons class who is also a teacher in another local primary school. Loudly voiced her concerns against schools opening in the class WhatsApp group. My neighbor's 2 teachers are vehemently against schools opening. My niece a recently qualified teacher was told by her principal that they do not want the schools reopening. Maybe its just the ones I know then.

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Where do HSE even get this information from? I don't know any other country saying this.

Kids seem to survive wearing masks in every Asian country, America, Germany, Czech republic...to name a few

I dunno I have my kids under 13 out in masks no bother, they dont pull at them and dont mind wearing them. Just before schools closed I had 2 students in class wearing masks, they didnt find it an issue either.

khalessi wrote: »

I dunno I have my kids under 13 out in masks no bother, they dont pull at them and dont mind wearing them. Just before schools closed I had 2 students in class wearing masks, they didnt find it an issue either.

These are the questions we need to be asking HSE. Why are they making their own policies and not going with the polices other countries have.

Do the HSE know more than the Germans, Chinese etc and do some research which states kids under 13 can't wear a mask?

Hearty80 wrote: »

Working from home??? My sons teacher sent a picture of a page of a book each day last week. This week so far nothing. Not a little video, a voice message nothing. Anyway I'm done I didn't realise this forum was full of teachers. But I suppose it stands to reason as there the only ones with nothing to do for 6 months.

Contact them and stop bellyaching on here

History Queen wrote: »

So no official announcement from any teachers union? I'm against schools opening if what we were told about the LC is true, which was that it was unsafe to hold it in July and August (bear in mind you're talking about mostly 17 and 18 year olds who understand social distancing and the fact that we would only have to accomodate 1/6 approx of the usual post-primary school populatipn). That cannot be true at the same time as saying it is safe for primary schools to open with many children too young to be expected to adhere to social distancing etc. Many teachers that I've spoken to feel the same as me. You cannot say one is unsafe and the other is safe. Someone is lying somewhere.

In fairness teenagers around my estate are out in groups most days and seems like it has no effect on numbers. Teenagers or young children are not super spreaders. Obviously if they have an underlying illness or an elderly relative at home then they shouldn't go to school. Same goes for teachers, everyone else should be ar school. It's not a hotbed of infection, it's a proven fact.

Hearty80 wrote: »

In fairness teenagers around my estate are out in groups most days and seems like it has no effect on numbers. Teenagers or young children are not super spreaders. Obviously if they have an underlying illness or an elderly relative at home then they shouldn't go to school. Same goes for teachers, everyone else should be ar school. It's not a hotbed of infection, it's a proven fact.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I feel the information available is conflicting but I'm also conscious that many schools have large staff numbers too so it may not just be about children. I wouldn't go as far as saying anything in relation to this virus is a proven fact.

However, if we take the Dept of Education at their word that the health advice received suggested a 29th July start to the LC would be unsafe, (only officially announced 10 days ago) they cannot then credibly turn around and say opening primary schools before that is safe.

No schools have been open so there's no proof either way that they have any effect on corona virus numbers. In schools people tend to sit beside each other for hours, it's not even comparable to supermarkets.

Hearty80 wrote: »

Half expect them to be working as they say they are .......

Would you not agree that most teachers are happy that they don't have to go to work.

I don't understand why people working in Dunnes etc have no ppe and are expected to be so close to people daily. But schools can't open, when neither are shown to have any effect on coronavirus numbers.

I cannot speak for all, but I can speak for myself and the rest of our staff, we are dying to get back to the classroom. I work in a disadvantaged area so I understand how important school is for them so it is very tough for them. Things would be so much easier if we could teach normally, but it is unwise and unsafe to do so right now. Online teaching and posting work home to those with no technology is the best port of call right now.

Kids are human too, they can carry the virus just like you or me. That's good enough reason alone, but add in how congested a school can be, it is pretty self-explanatory why schools are showing no signs of opening. The logistics of dropping kids to school and collecting them alone is a nightmare, and the real task doesn't begin until they enter the door. I wish that wasn't the case but it is.

To be brutally honest I'd be surprised if things were back to 100% normality this side of Christmas.

Hurrache wrote: »

No schools have been open so there's no proof either way that they have any effect on corona virus numbers. In schools people tend to sit beside each other for hours, it's not even comparable to supermarkets.

Schools were open at the start of this pandemic and there was no large outbreaks because of this that I'm aware of? Can I ask why are you so against schools opening? I haven't seen or read one valid reason. Nursing homes and the elderly are the vulnerable people.in all of this.