How will schools be able to go back in September?

CruelSummer

Jizique wrote: »

The stories about inflammatory diseases are scary, but they are never put in perspective. What are the numbers and what is the typical number?
Is it usually 5 annually, but is now double at ten? Double sounds scary but 10 out of 750k kids under the age of ten is not a high risk. Even if it doubles. Or it might treble from 2 to 6 - the media will run with treble and not 6.

It’s not even a scientifically proven link to Covid 19 firstly. Children prone to it can get it from any virus. Secondly the organisation for the disease in the U.K. has come out saying there’s less of it occurring at the moment and not more. Those articles and Dr Tony this morning are engaging in scaremongering propaganda to keep us locked up.

average_runner

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

One study says one thing, a different one has a differing viewpoint. The obvious thing to say is that currently we as a society and by society I mean the human race, we just don't have enough data to give a proper viewpoint. The sample is too small as children really were taken out of the firing line due to the schools being closed very early on. People with a viewpoint will always latch onto the study or report that validates it. Not saying you are doing this but that is human nature.

Just this morning there is an article in the independent taking about how different experts can't agree how infectious children actually are.

I wouldn't read anything in the independent. It's a trash paper with no proper journalists. All it has done during this pandemic is give negative news and scared people

tom1ie

CruelSummer wrote: »

It’s not even a scientifically proven link to Covid 19 firstly. Children prone to it can get it from any virus. Secondly the organisation for the disease in the U.K. has come out saying there’s of it and not more. Those articles and Dr Tony this morning are engaging in scaremongering propaganda to keep us locked up.

Yeah but hold on there for a sec. there are more cases of Kawasaki now then there was before c19 reared it’s head.
It’s a plausible theory that kawasaki is somehow related or caused by c19 just by looking at the normal amount of Kawasaki cases and now the current amount of Kawasaki cases.
Then look at before c19 and now the current level of c19.

kandr10

It was my impression it was a disease similar to Kawasaki that was increasing?

Considering it’s June in 3 weeks, I just think we’re better off waiting for September and putting a well thought out plan in place for then. (Though I know that’s kinda pie in the sky thinking that the doe would help with that!)

I’ve seen a lot of anxiety in kids in the last few years. This situation could either exacerbate anxiety or help to build resilience. Really hoping for the latter. Time will tell.

emo72

You can't have social distancing and schools. It won't work, not possible. Also you can't have public transport and social distancing. How are people meant to go to work with no transport and no child minding. There is no solution to this.

jrosen

emo72 wrote: »

You can't have social distancing and schools. It won't work, not possible. Also you can't have public transport and social distancing. How are people meant to go to work with no transport and no child minding. There is no solution to this.

I think you could be right. I cant think of a way that life can resume and also have social distancing.

Murple

tom1ie wrote: »

Yeah but hold on there for a sec. there are more cases of Kawasaki now then there was before c19 reared it’s head.
It’s a plausible theory that kawasaki is somehow related or caused by c19 just by looking at the normal amount of Kawasaki cases and now the current amount of Kawasaki cases.
Then look at before c19 and now the current level of c19.

It's not Kawasaki disease though. It is a disease with a combination of symptoms that resembles a mix of Kawasaki disease and toxic shock syndrome.

khalessi

It is being referred to as Paediatric Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome

It is rare and as John Campbell says it is rare so you do not have to worry but if on the off chance you child has it, it is serious and get immediate medical attention. It occurs about 6-8 weeks after the che child has Covid19 or been in contact with someone who has it.

jrosen

Are they not looking at a genetic link? Thats the last I had read. It seems more prominent in some countries. Uk and US but not in other countries with high cases of corona.

alwald

I am not sure if this was posted before but this is how China opened its schools https://www.facebook.com/1381450335205759/videos/595460004402234

rovers_runner

As each day goes by the schools unions and teachers are looking very foolish for refusing to go back until Sept.

This will bite them the next time they are looking for wage increases or parity. Should be soon enough....

Sammy2012

rovers_runner wrote: »

As each day goes by the schools unions and teachers are looking very foolish for refusing to go back until Sept.

This will bite them the next time they are looking for wage increases or parity. Should be soon enough....

Explain? The government set the rules.

Sammy2012

rovers_runner wrote: »

As each day goes by the schools unions and teachers are looking very foolish for refusing to go back until Sept.

This will bite them the next time they are looking for wage increases or parity. Should be soon enough....

Explain? The government set the rules.

Benimar

rovers_runner wrote: »

As each day goes by the schools unions and teachers are looking very foolish for refusing to go back until Sept.

This will bite them the next time they are looking for wage increases or parity. Should be soon enough....

Can you show me anything that supports your assertion that the unions have refused to go back before September?

It is a Government decision to close schools for now.

khalessi

rovers_runner wrote: »

As each day goes by the schools unions and teachers are looking very foolish for refusing to go back until Sept.

This will bite them the next time they are looking for wage increases or parity. Should be soon enough....

Firstly teachers didnt make the decision to close schools
Secondly we are working

So nothing will be bitten as teachers have not refused to go anwhere unless you are posting from UK which is not Ireland

History Queen

rovers_runner wrote: »

As each day goes by the schools unions and teachers are looking very foolish for refusing to go back until Sept.

This will bite them the next time they are looking for wage increases or parity. Should be soon enough....

We never refused. Source for your "information"

Jizique

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Explain? The government set the rules.

Was it not the leaving cert students who kicked it off by pressuring the govt into cancelling the exam, which was due to be held in 12 weeks, which then allowed people to say "if the exam can't take place, how can the schools reopen".
The first of Sept is 14-15 week away - the govt need to say that the plan is that the schools are reopening fully from that date. That is the plan. And barring any disasters, they should stick with it.
If horse-racing can take place, if pubs can open, and if people can go on summer holidays, then normalisation has occurred as far as anybody should be concerned.

Flippyfloppy

average_runner wrote: »

We have the advantage of watching other countries first and I trust the swiss thr most.

"As that scientific debate rages, Daniel Koch, the Swiss infectious disease chief, firmly planted his flag on one side of it Wednesday. “Young children are not infected and do not transmit the virus,” he told reporters, referring to a study released this month as well as his conversations with Swiss health experts"

Maybe so but I don't have any faith in the lack of basic cleaning supplies like soap and paper hand towels in Irish schools. There's a reason why bugs go around like wildfire.

kandr10

Jizique wrote: »

Was it not the leaving cert students who kicked it off by pressuring the govt into cancelling the exam, which was due to be held in 12 weeks, which then allowed people to say "if the exam can't take place, how can the schools reopen".
The first of Sept is 14-15 week away - the govt need to say that the plan is that the schools are reopening fully from that date. That is the plan. And barring any disasters, they should stick with it.
If horse-racing can take place, if pubs can open, and if people can go on summer holidays, then normalisation has occurred as far as anybody should be concerned.

Are pubs opening and people going on holiday etc not still contingent on social distancing though? How is that normalised?

rovers_runner

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Explain? The government set the rules.

Refusal to adapt buildings to suit social distancing, shrugging shoulders at the prospect of having to produce a plan.

Why not offer to split classes now and go half and half within the week?

Is this going to just magically fall into place in Sept?


When the writing was in the wall with regards to the extra effort that would be required to facilitate leaving cert in mid summer tools were downed.

We get an email one a week from our kids teacher with a few captures of workbook pages and a list of prepared work from their year planner.
Handy money if you can get it I suppose....

kandr10

rovers_runner wrote: »

Refusal to adapt buildings to suit social distancing, shrugging shoulders at the prospect of having to produce a plan.
Is this going to just magically fall into place in Sept?


When the writing was in the wall with regards to the extra effort that would be required to facilitate leaving cert in mid summer tools were downed.

We get an email one a week from our kids teacher with a few captures of workbook pages and a list of prepared work from their year planner.
Handy money if you can get it I suppose....

How would teachers and unions fund or carry out building adaptations exactly? Surely that’s the job of the government?
I don’t think there’s a secondary school teacher in the country who is happy to carry out the predicted grade thing that’s replacing the leaving. It seems a lot of these decisions came from further up without proper consultation with the people on the ground as it were.

khalessi

rovers_runner wrote: »

Refusal to adapt buildings to suit social distancing, shrugging shoulders at the prospect of having to produce a plan.

Why not offer to split classes now and go half and half within the week?

Is this going to just magically fall into place in Sept?


When the writing was in the wall with regards to the extra effort that would be required to facilitate leaving cert in mid summer tools were downed.

We get an email one a week from our kids teacher with a few captures of workbook pages and a list of prepared work from their year planner.
Handy money if you can get it I suppose....

Have you emailed the teacher at all since March 12th

Have you contacted the principal or shool?

Have you returned work to be corrected or reviwed?

Teachers have not refused anything have you a source for that?

Teachers have not been consulted at all
Teachers are workiing

History Queen

rovers_runner wrote: »

Refusal to adapt buildings to suit social distancing, shrugging shoulders at the prospect of having to produce a plan.

Why not offer to split classes now and go half and half within the week?

Is this going to just magically fall into place in Sept?


When the writing was in the wall with regards to the extra effort that would be required to facilitate leaving cert in mid summer tools were downed.

We get an email one a week from our kids teacher with a few captures of workbook pages and a list of prepared work from their year planner.
Handy money if you can get it I suppose....

Who refused to adapt buildings? Splitting my classes in half still won't allow for social distancing (if 2m is still advised when schools open) 5 or 6 students max is what my classroom could take.

We agreed to be on call for LCstudents in June and to facilitate2 weeks contact time in July.

Stop lying about what teachers did or did not do when clearly you either have an agenda or haven't a clue.

What do you want your kids teacher to do instead and what communication have you had with that teacher/school regarding same?

Edited to add: you don't seem to understand that the Department of Education make these decisions then individual schools implement them. Schools cannot spend money on adapting buildings/hiring extra teachers etc without it being sanctioned.

rovers_runner

kandr10 wrote: »

How would teachers and unions fund or carry out building adaptations exactly? Surely that’s the job of the government?
I don’t think there’s a secondary school teacher in the country who is happy to carry out the predicted grade thing that’s replacing the leaving. It seems a lot of these decisions came from further up without proper consultation with the people on the ground as it were.

For primary schools:
Confirm classes sizes, teacher numbers, class dimensions with dept of education and work with a plan based on room available.
Offer parents choices with regards to days of the week to allocate to suit social distancing needs.

Has there been a single development with regards to Sept announced yet? No, they will sit on their hands, they are looking for danger money no doubt. They will do nothing without a sweetner.


For leaving certs:
Pool teachers from the school to facilitate spacing exam students across multiple rooms in the secondary school to have pre exam classes and also to have distancing measures already trialled ahead of summer exams.

Dept of education could have easily sourced additional exam supervisors to suit requirements based on plans used by the school prior to exams.

But this would have cut into the summer holidays right....

History Queen

rovers_runner wrote: »

For primary schools:
Confirm classes sizes, teacher numbers, class dimensions with dept of education and work with a plan based on room available.
Offer parents choices with regards to days of the week to allocate to suit social distancing needs.

Has there been a single development with regards to Sept announced yet? No, they will sit on their hands, they are looking for danger money no doubt. They will do nothing without a sweetner.


For leaving certs:
Pool teachers from the school to facilitate spacing exam students across multiple rooms in the secondary school to have pre exam classes and also to have distancing measures already trialled ahead of summer exams.

Dept of education could have easily sourced additional exam supervisors to suit requirements based on plans used by the school prior to exams.

But this would have cut into the summer holidays right....

TEACHERS WANTED THE EXAMS TO HAPPEN

r93kaey5p2izun

rovers_runner wrote: »

As each day goes by the schools unions and teachers are looking very foolish for refusing to go back until Sept.

This will bite them the next time they are looking for wage increases or parity. Should be soon enough....

Either you are confusing countries, or you are a fantasist? The only input any unions have has on any type of school return so far was that ASTI and TUI both agreed to providing 2 weeks facs to face tuition to LC students in July. This was then cancelled when the LC was cancelled following massive lobbying from students and parents.

rovers_runner

History Queen wrote: »

TEACHERS WANTED THE EXAMS TO HAPPEN

Ye didn't, but I'm sure ye regret downing the tools now
the Govt have thrown ye to the wolves with the predicted marking.
I'm sure ye will need some compensation for the difficulties that will bring too.

History Queen

rovers_runner wrote: »

Ye didn't, but I'm sure ye regret downing the tools now
the Govt have thrown ye to the wolves with the predicted marking.
I'm sure ye will need some compensation for the difficulties that will bring too.

You are clearly ill-informed

khalessi

rovers_runner wrote: »

For primary schools:
Confirm classes sizes, teacher numbers, class dimensions with dept of education and work with a plan based on room available.
Offer parents choices with regards to days of the week to allocate to suit social distancing needs.

Has there been a single development with regards to Sept announced yet? No, they will sit on their hands, they are looking for danger money no doubt. They will do nothing without a sweetner.

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Principals already aware of dimensions as they are on plans and class sizes and teacher numbers are available on school records.

REgarding offering parents a choice at the moment we are at stage one of lifting restrictions it is too early to be offering allocations if that is the way chosen. Because believe it or not we have the welfare of the children to consder, but I get the impression you dont care about that youve havent read the thread just came on for a rant.

Feel better?

Re danger money the most important thing will be the health and safety of children and staff. If you dont think this is true feel free to keep your child at home.

Jim Root

Could we not just move the school calendar forward to the start of August/late July? Why are summer holidays still needed?