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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #5552
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    owlbethere wrote: »
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/shopping/woodies-ireland-reverses-controversial-kids-18264707

    Woodies is backtracking on a ban of under 16s they were going to implement. They are backtracking due to pressure from people.

    Seriously, it's Woodies. They sell hardware, garden stuff and home wares. It's not a playground. Can people not leave their children at home for another few more weeks until this virus dies down. It's in the best interests of children.

    Give them a day and they'll be banned again - seriously no reason for kids to be taken to a DIY store

    It's nothing more than a SJW crusade


  • #5553
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    owlbethere wrote: »
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/shopping/woodies-ireland-reverses-controversial-kids-18264707

    Woodies is backtracking on a ban of under 16s they were going to implement. They are backtracking due to pressure from people.

    Seriously, it's Woodies. They sell hardware, garden stuff and home wares. It's not a playground. Can people not leave their children at home for another few more weeks until this virus dies down. It's in the best interests of children.

    Say I'm a single parent and my weird fluorescent kitchen bulb blew five weeks ago (which it did). Since then I've a small lamp I'm using but it's not great and my small kids is running around hurting themselves due to the bad light.

    What do you suggest I do with said child while I go to Woodies to get the bulb which is not availablein the supermarket?

    Disclaimer, I dont have kids, and for the most part detest them, but there are valid reasons for parental of young kids especially needing to take them with them when shopping


  • #5554
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Over 500 suspected COVID deaths in the Yememi city of Aden in the last week alone

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-will-delete-yemen-from-maps-all-over-the-world-11989917
    Speaking from the Yemeni capital, Sana'a, Jean-Nicolas Beuze said the number of suspected COVID-19 cases in the country appears to be multiplying fast and, at the same time, international aid agencies are being forced to abandon critical programmes.

    "The coronavirus may be the straw which will break the camel's back in Yemen," Mr Beuze said via video link.

    Yememi government declares the city of almost 2 million 'infested' with covid
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/yemen-gov-declares-aden-infested-coronavirus-spreads-200511204748770.html


  • #5555
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Stheno wrote: »
    Say I'm a single parent and my weird fluorescent kitchen bulb blew five weeks ago (which it did). Since then I've a small lamp I'm using but it's not great and my small kids is running around hurting themselves due to the bad light.

    What do you suggest I do with said child while I go to Woodies to get the bulb which is not Ava I'll label in the supermarket?

    Disclaimer, I dont have kids, and for the most part detest them, but there are valid reasons for parental of young kids especially needing to take them with them when shopping

    Lots of other small DIY/hardware shops where you will be in and out in 5 minutes (and why do you not have a spare bulb to start with)


  • #5556
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Stheno wrote: »
    Say I'm a single parent and my weird fluorescent kitchen bulb blew five weeks ago (which it did). Since then I've a small lamp I'm using but it's not great and my small kids is running around hurting themselves due to the bad light.

    What do you suggest I do with said child while I go to Woodies to get the bulb which is not Ava I'll label in the supermarket?

    Disclaimer, I dont have kids, and for the most part detest them, but there are valid reasons for parental of young kids especially needing to take them with them when shopping

    Don't you know , kids carry the virus in little packages and throw them at random people. The bastards.


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  • #5557
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    LowOdour wrote: »
    After 2 months of social distancing from my parents next door, we have decided to start interacting in each others company again. It was their decision in the end, still not sure how comfortable they are with it but its what they want.

    My kids haven't been in contact with anyone bar me and my wife in 2 months. My wife has had the odd trip to the local shop, and I go out once a week to the supermarket. We are probably the safest people they will be around, but worry they might open the floodgates. Parents house has always had people constantly coming and going, but that has change over the 2 months.

    Anyone else had parents making a similar change?

    Mine are too. Starting to meet people in and outbid my family. And my gran. She’s 95 and “damned if she’s going to spend the last couple of years of her life staying away from people”

    Social distancing will soon fall apart completely. It cannot, and should not, be a bedrock of the future strategy for dealing with COVID. Sure, it is right to restrict gatherings like pubs and venues etc through closures and actual physical measures, as well as physical barriers in workplaces etc. But behaviourally, social distancing in our own environments, with our own family and friends, will have a very short shelf life.


  • #5558
    Stheno
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    Lots of other small DIY/hardware shops where you will be in and out in 5 minutes (and why do you not have a spare bulb to start with)

    I've already tried my local hardware store. And tbh I moved into the house a year ago and didnt even know the lightbulb was weird, I've plenty of normal bulbs

    There are plenty of valid reasons why some parents may need to br in ng small children to a hardware store. Now dont get me wrong, I'm not talking about the imbecile 2 parents and a gaggle of kids who currently think the supermarket is now the equivalent of a trip to the zoo, but those.parents like single parents who have no.other.option


  • #5559
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    All we can do is take care stay safe now with lockdown easing for phase 1, let's keep the cases decreasing and no deaths

    Anyone else kinda nervous or just me

    I’m just numb, so numb that I don’t pay attention to lockdown stages and the like... take everyday as it comes and roll with it.


  • #5560
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Stheno wrote: »
    I've already tried my local hardware store. And tbh I moved into the house a year ago and didnt even know the lightbulb was weird, I've plenty of normal bulbs

    There are plenty of valid reasons why some parents may need to br in ng small children to a hardware store. Now dont get me wrong, I'm not talking about the imbecile 2 parents and a gaggle of kids who currently think the supermarket is now the equivalent of a trip to the zoo, but those.parents like single parents who have no.other.option

    All the times I've been to Woodies, B&Q there has rarely ever been any kids - why now is it a travesty that they are not allowed

    Did laugh at the trip to the supermarket/zoo


  • #5561
    Stheno
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    All the times I've been to Woodies, B&Q there has rarely ever been any kids - why now is it a travesty that they are not allowed

    Did laugh at the trip to the supermarket/zoo

    You must live a charmed life

    I only have to.set foot in woodies/b and q and the little monsters start multiplying like the rabbits in the Father Ted episode

    But I can see why single parents may need to go and take their small kids after 10ih weeks at home. Not everyone is able to find what they need online, or has family support close by


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  • #5562
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Mine are too. Starting to meet people in and outbid my family. And my gran. She’s 95 and “damned if she’s going to spend the last couple of years of her life staying away from people”

    Social distancing will soon fall apart completely. It cannot, and should not, be a bedrock of the future strategy for dealing with COVID. Sure, it is right to restrict gatherings like pubs and venues etc through closures and actual physical measures, as well as physical barriers in workplaces etc. But behaviourally, social distancing in our own environments, with our own family and friends, will have a very short shelf life.
    12 months time vaccine or no vaccine no one will give a f**k about social distancing. People will revert to normal behaviour.


  • #5563
    Dante7
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    All the times I've been to Woodies, B&Q there has rarely ever been any kids - why now is it a travesty that they are not allowed

    Did laugh at the trip to the supermarket/zoo

    The upshot is that single parents are as likely to need to go to woodies as anyone else, and they have to take their kids with them, so it is unfair for Woodies to ban kids.


  • #5564
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    It's everyone's own personal responsibility to socially distance when out in public places. If 4 people decide they want to stand close and chat, that is up to those 4. It can't and should not be policed. If it comes to that we have no civil liberties left.

    Being shouted at by some spotty teenager in Dunnes Stores isn't the way to go and should not be tolerated.

    Lol, to be honest it didn’t bother me. Spotty teenager? The woman was around 60. She did say please.

    Also remember it could be shop rules. The reason she shouted was because she was a distance away and it was quite noisey.


  • #5565
    little bess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭little bess


    Stheno wrote: »
    I've already tried my local hardware store. And tbh I moved into the house a year ago and didnt even know the lightbulb was weird, I've plenty of normal bulbs

    There are plenty of valid reasons why some parents may need to br in ng small children to a hardware store. Now dont get me wrong, I'm not talking about the imbecile 2 parents and a gaggle of kids who currently think the supermarket is now the equivalent of a trip to the zoo, but those.parents like single parents who have no.other.option

    I agree. There was a poster a day or so ago saying she left her four and eight year old children in the car so she could run into supervalu.
    I don’t know that particular posters circumstances, but for a single parent this should not be the only alternative.


  • #5566
    Beasty
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    little bess wrote: »
    I agree. There was a poster a day or so ago saying she left her four and eight year old children in the car so she could run into supervalu.
    I don’t know that particular posters circumstances, but for a single parent this should not be the only alternative.

    People who are cocooned cannot head into any shop. They have to manage, and typically will have family or friends to help. If not there are help groups. No reason single parents cannot avail of such assistance.

    What really bugs me though is not the kids - it's the couples who knowingly separate in the Tesco queue shortly before reaching the front, then only have a single basket between them as they stroll round the shop


  • #5567
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Beasty wrote: »
    People who are cocooned cannot head into any shop. They have to manage, and typically will have family or friends to help. If not there are help groups. No reason single parents cannot avail of such assistance.

    What really bugs me though is not the kids - it's the couples who knowingly separate in the Tesco queue shortly before reaching the front, then only have a single basket between them as they stroll round the shop

    So you are suggesting leaving children with strangers, can't see a problem there......
    Honest question what danger does a couple pose to you? Considering most couples stay together I fail to see the problem.


  • #5568
    New Home
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    For one thing, it's an extra person "using up" a shopping space for someone else. For another it's another potential source of infection. In other countries the restrictions meant that only one person per household was allowed to go shopping once a week.

    Also, single parents could have asked someone else to do the shopping for them while they continued minding their children.


  • #5569
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Beasty wrote: »
    People who are cocooned cannot head into any shop. They have to manage, and typically will have family or friends to help. If not there are help groups. No reason single parents cannot avail of such assistance.

    What really bugs me though is not the kids - it's the couples who knowingly separate in the Tesco queue shortly before reaching the front, then only have a single basket between them as they stroll round the shop

    So in my example would you ring woodies or a help group to have them help you get the bulb?


  • #5570
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Stheno wrote: »
    So in my example would you ring woodies or a help group to have them help you get the bulb?

    An Post are still working as far as I know...


  • #5571
    Stheno
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    New Home wrote: »
    For one thing, it's an extra person "using up" a shopping space for someone else. For another it's another potential source of infection. In other countries the restrictions meant that only one person per household was allowed to go shopping once a week.

    Also, single parents could have asked someone else to do the shopping for them while they continued minding their children.

    So in my case outside of ringing the local help groups, all of my neighbours are cocooning, and I've no.family within 5km

    I could ask one of my family to.see if they could get the bulb and post it I guess

    I genuinely dont believe that's required in the spirit of the restrictions

    Now personally I wont be going near a hardware.store this.week, let alone tomorrow, I do have to get a eye test due.to.broken glasses and the fact I'm due a new test but my optician has all sorts of rules in place

    And I fully expect the news headline tomorrow evening to be 'queues in hardware.stores and garden centres so bad police had to be called in"

    But.if someone genuinely needs something like a weird lightbulb or something to fix something that's been broken.a.few.weeks and they have.to bring their.children, I genuinely dont see the issue, as long as they socially distance etc

    I reckon the garden furniture will be.sold out by 11am tomorroq in most hardware.stores. Lidl had to cancel sales of something like trampolines two weeks ago due to fears around demand

    I'd not.demonise those with a genuine need due to those who just cant wait


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  • #5572
    Stheno
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    An Post are still working as far as I know...

    So how do I contact them? I'm not being obtuse, despite all this talk of help being available, on the estate I live.on, all the neighbours I know are cocooning

    For the ones closest we gave them our numbers and told them to give us a shout if they needed stuff

    And they have, a newspaper,.milk and various other things

    I told them about the supervalu.service that's available, that an post will deliver papers and various other schemes

    Not one of them out of three households know any of these.existed


  • #5573
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    But if you really need something that desperately (again why do you not have spares) you can order online
    There is no reason to ruck up to Woodies with 5 kids in toe to buy a bulb or hanging basket (is ruck up the right phrase)


  • #5574
    Stheno
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    But if you really need something that desperately (again why do you not have spares) you can order online
    There is no reason to ruck up to Woodies with 5 kids in toe to buy a bulb or hanging basket (is ruck up the right phrase)

    I'm not suggesting anyone rock up to Woodies full stop to buy a hanging basket

    I'm suggesting that not everyone knows how to find stuff omline/has family or friends who can help, or knows how to access support groups.

    Not everyone who goes to Woodiea tomorrow is out for a new version of the zoo

    Some have genuine needs, and may not have the education, the online access, or even the money to be able to order online and have necessary items delivered


  • #5575
    little bess
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    Beasty wrote: »
    People who are cocooned cannot head into any shop. They have to manage, and typically will have family or friends to help. If not there are help groups. No reason single parents cannot avail of such assistance.

    Working in social care I know there are times that they can’t manage.
    Not all single parents have friends or family they can rely on to help them out. And it’s not so easy to get in touch with ‘help groups’ when you’ve realised you’ve forgotten an essential item.


  • #5576
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Reading this thread and others on the same topic 'covid' Christ but the government and media really instilled a serious amount of fear in people. Not such an easy task to unwind.


  • #5577
    [Deleted User]
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Say I'm a single parent and my weird fluorescent kitchen bulb blew five weeks ago (which it did). Since then I've a small lamp I'm using but it's not great and my small kids is running around hurting themselves due to the bad light.

    What do you suggest I do with said child while I go to Woodies to get the bulb which is not availablein the supermarket?

    Disclaimer, I dont have kids, and for the most part detest them, but there are valid reasons for parental of young kids especially needing to take them with them when shopping

    Unless they are under five, leave them in the car, until I was ten and my dad went to builders yards and some hardware stores that's where I was told to stay when I went with him for the drive.

    Now I understand that most yards are more dangerous than woodies, but if you really need something urgently or just want to do some decorating, call first to confirm that the store has the item(s) in stock, if your not able to browse and do click and collect for them on the woodies site.

    If the store has the item(s) in stock, just arrive up at the store, leave the kid(s) in the car, queue up and get your item(s).

    Unless you are going to woodies for a break away from the house and just have a wander around, no reason to have them go into the store.

    Also why is this an issue now that they are reopening, the store in Navan had signs up saying that under 16s weren't allowed in before they had to close in March, assume that it was policy across the chain then also.


  • #5578
    Stheno
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Reading this thread and others on the same topic 'covid' Christ but the government and media really instilled a serious amount of fear in people. Not such an easy task to unwind.

    I spent weeks being quite fearful, not just because of the government, but due to my work, who've been on about this since January

    And it's fine to be afraid. But as time has gone on, and probably more so in the past week, I've calmed down a little.

    Now a little, I've an eye test this week which I'm feeling anxious about but my opticians is a small local opticians and were very reassuring about the measures they have in place


  • #5579
    Plumbthedepths
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    Stheno wrote: »
    I spent weeks being quite fearful, not just because of the government, but due to my work, who've been on about this since January

    And it's fine to be afraid. But as time has gone on, and probably more so in the past week, I've calmed down a little.

    Now a little, I've an eye test this week which I'm feeling anxious about but my opticians is a small local opticians and were very reassuring about the measures they have in place

    I have spent everyday except the weekends working in an environment with others but practicing SD since the start of this crisis. I practice good hand hygiene and cough etiquette but no f**king way am I going to overthink crap and find reasons to be fearful.


  • #5580
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I have spent everyday except the weekends working in an environment with others but practicing SD since the start of this crisis. I practice good hand hygiene and cough etiquette but no f**king way am I going to overthink crap and find reasons to be fearful.

    If you watched the HSE meeting this morning one of the female guests coughed in to her hand - was surprised no one took her up on it - though it is tough to remember to not cough in to your hands, its built in to you from being a kid


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  • #5581
    Stheno
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    If you watched the HSE meeting this morning one of the female guests coughed in to her hand - was surprised no one took her up on it - though it is tough to remember to not cough in to your hands, its built in to you from being a kid

    Tony Holohan is forever touching his face and taking his glasses on and off!

    But it's like because you are told not to do it, you do it more :)


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