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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #5522
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    How long before late late to tackle the taboo issue of face masks?

    Watch this and replace the word condom with mask. Makes for good entertainment.



  • #5523
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Being shouted at by some spotty teenager in Dunnes Stores isn't the way to go and should not be tolerated.

    Maintaining social distancing of 2 meters is a condition of entering Dunnes, and most supermarkets, at the moment. They’re a private company, they can put what restrictions they like on entry to their stores and behaviour in them, once they don’t fall foul of anti-discrimination legislation. Furthermore, the government have required them to implement such restrictions, under penalty of closure.


  • #5524
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I was in Dunnes today. 2 couples started chatting and the 4 of them standing right next to each. An employee shouted at them to distance themselves lol

    Good


  • #5525
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,769 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Why bother with any rules or laws in society full stop. Let people as a whole make up their own mind regarding everything.

    Can you imagine the chaos that would create...

    I suppose we could get some of the genius's on here to lead us all.
    Wonder how come they aren't already :pac:


  • #5526
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    It's everyone's own personal responsibility to socially distance when out in public places. If 4 people decide they want to stand close and chat, that is up to those 4. It can't and should not be policed. If it comes to that we have no civil liberties left.

    Being shouted at by some spotty teenager in Dunnes Stores isn't the way to go and should not be tolerated.

    Hilarious. Absolutely, positively hilarious. How is this an infringement on people's precious civil liberties? Unlike many countries they're lucky to be in the supermarket at all chatting till the cows come home. I'm sorry but I don't value the "civil liberties" of morons in a supermarket putting the employees and customers of that shop at greater risk. This is nothing to do with civil liberties - they can come and go as they please, and soon enough they'll be able to do pretty much anything they like anywhere post lockdown. If you consider civil liberties to include the "right" to have a pointless natter in a supermarket during a pandemic and when people have been queuing up an hour to get in the damn place, then I think you need your definition of civil liberty updated thoroughly. This "lockdown" has been as accommodating to the population as a lockdown could ever be it's a total joke that years of conditioning about "rights" has led to such an entitled, immature society. "I can chat to who I want in Dunnnes I've got ma rites!!!"


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  • #5527
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://www.businessinsider.com/actual-coronavirus-deaths-in-italy-us-higher-than-official-count-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

    Italy's covid death toll may already be as high as 64,000, excess mortality rates already make 2020 the deadliest year since WW2 for Italy.

    In the US the death toll may already be approaching 200,000

    Those two countries alone would mean the global death toll is 40% higher than the official number.


  • #5528
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Can and does are not the same thing. 90% of infections will occur within the 2 meter 15 minute guidelines. Limit those contacts to the minimum reduces(has reduced) the R0 to less than 1 and the virus goes into retreat. Nothing that has been done was designed to eliminate all infections

    I am not disputing the advice but I never understood the 15 minute thing ? If i am with someone 5 or 15 minutes is it the viral load that would be higher after 15 minutes ?


  • #5529
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Two weeks since lockdown has been eased in Italy and every province has reported less than 100 new cases today except for Lombardy


  • #5530
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Two weeks since lockdown has been eased in Italy and every province has reported less than 100 new cases today except for Lombardy. Only 1% of tests are coming back positive. Quite encouraging


  • #5531
    PhantomHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭PhantomHat


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I am not disputing the advice but I never understood the 15 minute thing ? If i am with someone 5 or 15 minutes is it the viral load that would be higher after 15 minutes ?

    It seems to me a sort of arbitrary figure they decided on because they had to settle on something. You could get a person who could be coughing all over you for only a few seconds and that I'd imagine would be enough for the virus to transmit and give you a large load.


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  • #5532
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    PhantomHat wrote: »
    It seems to me a sort of arbitrary figure they decided on because they had to settle on something. You could get a person who could be coughing all over you for only a few seconds and that I'd imagine would be enough for the virus to transmit and give you a large load.

    That’s exactly what I was thinking . If someone coughs near me I am not waiting around for 14 minutes before backing away !


  • #5533
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I am not disputing the advice but I never understood the 15 minute thing ? If i am with someone 5 or 15 minutes is it the viral load that would be higher after 15 minutes ?

    The longer you stay in such an environment, the greater the chance that enough virus will be absorbed by you that will cause infection. They’ve estimated that, as a rule of thumb, it will take 15 minutes for this to occur under face-to-face contact. Of course, you could get unlucky and be sneezed on straight in the face in the first minute. Or be lucky, and not catch anything in the 15 because the air was flowing away from you or something. But it’s a general rule of thumb.

    The “infectious dose” is a factor here. This is the amount of virus that you’re exposed to. There’s a certain amount needed to cause infection. It’s this amount that they estimate you’ll pick up in 15 minutes of face to face contact.

    “Viral load” is a different thing, although it’s often confused with infectious dose. The viral load is the amount of virus detected in a given volume of blood plasma or other bodily tissue of an infected person. It’s basically a measure of “how infected” they are. The higher the viral load, usually the worse the symptoms. Also, if the higher the viral load, the more virus will be in their saliva or mucus, so it does play a part in how quickly you’ll be exposed to the infectious dose


  • #5534
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    The longer you stay in such an environment, the greater the chance that enough virus will be absorbed by you that will cause infection. They’ve estimated that, as a rule of thumb, it will take 15 minutes for this to occur under face-to-face contact. Of course, you could get unlucky and be sneezed on straight in the face in the first minute. Or be lucky, and not catch anything in the 15 because the air was flowing away from you or something. But it’s a general rule of thumb.

    The “infectious dose” is a factor here. This is the amount of virus that you’re exposed to. There’s a certain amount needed to cause infection. It’s this amount that they estimate you’ll pick up in 15 minutes of face to face contact.

    “Viral load” is a different thing, although it’s often confused with infectious dose. The viral load is the amount of virus detected in a given volume of blood plasma or other bodily tissue of an infected person. It’s basically a measure of “how infected” they are. The higher the viral load, usually the worse the symptoms. Also, if the higher the viral load, the more virus will be in their saliva or mucus, so it does play a part in how quickly you’ll be exposed to the infectious dose

    Thank that’s very informative . I was confused by both terms


  • #5535
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.businessinsider.com/actual-coronavirus-deaths-in-italy-us-higher-than-official-count-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

    Interestingly looks like Italy was experiencing large numbers of covid deaths before the first official deaths were announced.

    BY early March when Italy had reported just 1000 deaths from covid excess mortality was already almost 9000 above average in late February


  • #5536
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Hope this isn't too off topic but was just curious there and searching for UK-ireland flights this week. Stansted to Cork with Ryanair about £80 each way. Aer Lingus Heathrow to Belfast £377 one way!!! PS yes I know Belfast is UK (currently...)


  • #5537
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭blackcard


    It is now down to the general public. If people do what they are supposed to be doing, we can not alone carry on with easing restrictions but should be able to bring phases 4 & 5 forward. No one to blame other than ourselves if it doesn't work


  • #5538
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    fr336 wrote: »
    Hope this isn't too off topic but was just curious there and searching for UK-ireland flights this week. Stansted to Cork with Ryanair about £80 each way. Aer Lingus Heathrow to Belfast £377 one way!!! PS yes I know Belfast is UK (currently...)

    LOL at currently.

    I was never one for an all Ireland but after this if there was such a referendum, I probably would vote in favour of an all Ireland.


  • #5539
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    smelly sock wrote: »
    No ****ing way are they 2 meters apart. Ffs.
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    They had masks on.

    Also, Belgium’s distance requirement is only 1.5 meters.


  • #5540
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    fr336 wrote: »
    Hope this isn't too off topic but was just curious there and searching for UK-ireland flights this week. Stansted to Cork with Ryanair about £80 each way. Aer Lingus Heathrow to Belfast £377 one way!!! PS yes I know Belfast is UK (currently...)

    Belfast to London on aer Lingus is one of the only flights out of NI.


  • #5541
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Check this out!

    The share of over 65s catching COVID-19 in Ireland is collapsing.

    This illustrates the situation coming under control in nursing homes.

    The fall below 10% this week reflects meat plant cases (mainly under 65s)

    Deaths should slow significantly by end month.

    https://t.co/WCZ8drmqoS


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  • #5542
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Belfast to London on aer Lingus is one of the only flights out of NI.

    Yep I can well understand it given this and other factors but still not fares we are used to seeing these days. I dare say Ryanair will be offering rock bottom prices later this year and into 2021 to get those planes full just like they did after 9\11


  • #5543
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,160 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Check this out!

    The share of over 65s catching COVID-19 in Ireland is collapsing.

    This illustrates the situation coming under control in nursing homes.

    The fall below 10% this week reflects meat plant cases (mainly under 65s)

    Deaths should slow significantly by end month. https://t.co/WCZ8drmqoS

    Fingers crossed.


  • #5544
    LowOdour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    After 2 months of social distancing from my parents next door, we have decided to start interacting in each others company again. It was their decision in the end, still not sure how comfortable they are with it but its what they want.

    My kids haven't been in contact with anyone bar me and my wife in 2 months. My wife has had the odd trip to the local shop, and I go out once a week to the supermarket. We are probably the safest people they will be around, but worry they might open the floodgates. Parents house has always had people constantly coming and going, but that has change over the 2 months.

    Anyone else had parents making a similar change?


  • #5545
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,101 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    All we can do is take care stay safe now with lockdown easing for phase 1, let's keep the cases decreasing and no deaths

    Anyone else kinda nervous or just me
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #5546
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    LowOdour wrote: »
    After 2 months of social distancing from my parents next door, we have decided to start interacting in each others company again. It was their decision in the end, still not sure how comfortable they are with it but its what they want.

    My kids haven't been in contact with anyone bar me and my wife in 2 months. My wife has had the odd trip to the local shop, and I go out once a week to the supermarket. We are probably the safest people they will be around, but worry they might open the floodgates. Parents house has always had people constantly coming and going, but that has change over the 2 months.

    Anyone else had parents making a similar change?

    The guidelines are still there for a reason.


  • #5547
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,101 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    All we can do is take care stay safe now with lockdown easing for phase 1, let's keep the cases decreasing and no deaths

    Anyone else kinda nervous or just me
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #5548
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    LowOdour wrote: »
    After 2 months of social distancing from my parents next door, we have decided to start interacting in each others company again. It was their decision in the end, still not sure how comfortable they are with it but its what they want.

    My kids haven't been in contact with anyone bar me and my wife in 2 months. My wife has had the odd trip to the local shop, and I go out once a week to the supermarket. We are probably the safest people they will be around, but worry they might open the floodgates. Parents house has always had people constantly coming and going, but that has change over the 2 months.

    Anyone else had parents making a similar change?

    I wouldn't see any problems with this. So long as you and your family and also your parents don't get too comfortable and cocky with your behaviour as in don't be rushing out into crowds of people. Continue to follow the guidelines of washing hands and follow good respiratory hygiene.


  • #5549
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/shopping/woodies-ireland-reverses-controversial-kids-18264707

    Woodies is backtracking on a ban of under 16s they were going to implement. They are backtracking due to pressure from people.

    Seriously, it's Woodies. They sell hardware, garden stuff and home wares. It's not a playground. Can people not leave their children at home for another few more weeks until this virus dies down. It's in the best interests of children.


  • #5550
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    LowOdour wrote: »
    After 2 months of social distancing from my parents next door, we have decided to start interacting in each others company again. It was their decision in the end, still not sure how comfortable they are with it but its what they want.

    My kids haven't been in contact with anyone bar me and my wife in 2 months. My wife has had the odd trip to the local shop, and I go out once a week to the supermarket. We are probably the safest people they will be around, but worry they might open the floodgates. Parents house has always had people constantly coming and going, but that has change over the 2 months.

    Anyone else had parents making a similar change?

    If you live next door to them and are in houses, have you not even had a distanced chat? My neighbours have been cocooning since February and we've had plenty of chats from either side of the wall about all sorts probably more ten than six feet apart

    Yesterday one of them was clearing trees higher than our wall and as I was lieing out the other side of the garden we'd quite a pleasant chat


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  • #5551
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I wouldn't see any problems with this. So long as you and your family and also your parents don't get too comfortable and cocky with your behaviour as in don't be rushing out into crowds of people. Continue to follow the guidelines of washing hands and follow good respiratory hygiene.

    And stay 2m away you forgot that bit, how they are supposed to maintain that in a revolving door house.


    The odds of contracting the virus have diminished yes, but the more times you let people into a house the odds multiple by that number, the more those visitors mingle the more it multiplies again. Its still absolutely daft when the HSE and government have been very clear that people can only mingle in small groups but still have to stay 2m apart.


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