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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    Can’t see schools opening in September. If they couldn’t arrange exams in July and August for only 6th form , there’s no way they’ll be able to have full school in September. Fully expect masks to be a compulsory thing also for re-opening of schools.

    I think you’d want to cop yourself on. Schools across Europe are already reopened. Are you suggesting masks on kids?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Hubertj wrote: »
    I think you’d want to cop yourself on. Schools across Europe are already reopened. Are you suggesting masks on kids?

    Lots of kids are wearing masks in schools in Europe though tonight Leo said no masks for under 13 year olds.

    Staff could wear them though

    Also what is to cop on about?

    NOt all schools in Europe back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    I am a teacher, I think we'll be back in September, no rotas etc. Maybe some staggered start times? But I don't think social distancing can work properly in schools.

    Teacher here too...fully agree with this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    Coneygree wrote: »
    Heading back into school Monday morning, looking forward to being back in my classroom although it will be a little bit eerie.

    Same here. I am not thrilled about it to be honest - it will be very strange and quite sad to walk back in and see the room still set up for the kids. It's also absolute chaos at the moment as that last afternoon was spent packing up books and calming down children!

    If nothing else I will enjoy the little trip to somewhere :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Murple


    What are you going in to school for?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    Murple wrote: »
    What are you going in to school for?

    Organising materials - sorting out books, taking down art etc. The parents will be given a designated time to pick up their children's belongings later on in the week (they won't all do it which is fine). The building won't be open to staff at any other time during the term.

    I think all schools in the country have the option to do the same but open to correction on that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    khalessi wrote: »
    Lots of kids are wearing masks in schools in Europe though tonight Leo said no masks for under 13 year olds.

    Staff could wear them though

    Also what is to cop on about?

    NOt all schools in Europe back


    I had three 12/13 year old first years in masks the week we closed

    Our ETB has said buildings are not open unless absolutely necessary. We must have a letter from the principal to travel in and have flagged it in advance. No more than two hours access, principal needs to keep a list of those attending and social distancing must be applied.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    I had three 12/13 year old first years in masks the week we closed

    Our ETB has said buildings are not open unless absolutely necessary. We must have a letter from the principal to travel in and have flagged it in advance. No more than two hours access, principal needs to keep a list of those attending and social distancing must be applied.

    Similar, school opening on Monday for collecting or organising resources. I have all I need here so wont be going there. I cleared out my room day we closed so everything here for teaching.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    The Irish Times seem to be running an orchestrated campaign to try and put pressure on the government to reopen up schools now in spite of public health advice to the contrary. A number of Irish Times journalists have been writing daily articles lobbying for schools to reopen now. This is playing itself out on social media too with a number of the same journalists solely preoccupying themselves with tweeting about reopening schools now. Then at today's press briefing the Irish Times had a journalist there who asked three questions of Holohan and each and every one of them was about schools reopening now and instead of in September.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭LeYouth


    JP100 wrote: »
    The Irish Times seem to be running an orchestrated campaign to try and put pressure on the government to reopen up schools now in spite of public health advice to the contrary. A number of Irish Times journalists have been writing daily articles lobbying for schools to reopen now. This is playing itself out on social media too with a number of the same journalists solely preoccupying themselves with tweeting about reopening schools now. Then at today's press briefing the Irish Times had a journalist there who asked three questions of Holohan and each and every one of them was about schools reopening now and instead of in September.

    Someone's obviously fed up of being locked up with their children!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,549 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    LeYouth wrote: »
    Someone's obviously fed up of being locked up with their children!

    Or married to a teacher!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,549 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Same here. I am not thrilled about it to be honest - it will be very strange and quite sad to walk back in and see the room still set up for the kids. It's also absolute chaos at the moment as that last afternoon was spent packing up books and calming down children!

    If nothing else I will enjoy the little trip to somewhere :)

    Yeah that’s sad alright. Such an abrupt ending to a school year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Hubertj wrote: »
    I think you’d want to cop yourself on. Schools across Europe are already reopened. Are you suggesting masks on kids?

    You'll find that a number of children will wear masks themselves especially vulnerable ones. This was already happening back in March in the lead up to the closure of schools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    LeYouth wrote: »
    Someone's obviously fed up of being locked up with their children!

    I think some of these folk saw or at the very least have the perception that the government buckled to social media pressure on the LC and are hoping for the same thing to happen here. With a number of Irish Times journalists trying to whip up a frenzy about it on social media. The problem the latter run into though is that they seems to a majority of parents who would rather not run the gauntlet of their kids returning to school in June. The very vocal minority then try to shout down or drown out such a latter opinion thus bringing out the very worst in what social media has become.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    I do think people are fed up with their kids at home but simply because they are trying to juggle too much. People are really struggling and parents are really worried. This is my take away from any conversations ive had with friends/kids friends parents over the last few weeks. I think if there was a plan people would be able to get behind it and it would settle nerves but its just so uncertain.

    This is in no way blaming teachers as I know they are in the dark as much as parents are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    jrosen wrote: »
    I do think people are fed up with their kids at home but simply because they are trying to juggle too much. People are really struggling and parents are really worried. This is my take away from any conversations ive had with friends/kids friends parents over the last few weeks. I think if there was a plan people would be able to get behind it and it would settle nerves but its just so uncertain.

    This is in no way blaming teachers as I know they are in the dark as much as parents are.

    Not you of course but what's also happening online is that a number of folk seem intent on pitching this as a parents v teachers thing. What the latter fails to take in to account though is that most teachers are parents themselves and equally running the gauntlet of working from home and minding kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    This was asked before: are we talking going straight from lockdown in to the next school year without the kids getting a summer?

    Just call it now.....Schools out, have the couple of months off now then get back in whatever new normal way is possible at the beginning of August. It’s not like family’s will be off to Spain on hols then. The best of the weather is usually in June and July anyway. When the new school year starts it could possibly be on reduced hours....why not get a small jump on it?

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    JP100 wrote: »
    Not you of course but what's also happening online is that a number of folk seem intent on pitching this as a parents v teachers thing. What the latter fails to take in to account though is that most teachers are parents themselves and equally running the gauntlet of working from home and minding kids.

    I cant see the teacher V parent battle ever ending lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    JP100 wrote: »
    Not you of course but what's also happening online is that a number of folk seem intent on pitching this as a parents v teachers thing. What the latter fails to take in to account though is that most teachers are parents themselves and equally running the gauntlet of working from home and minding kids.

    Thats been a big issue here, as Im a single parent and trying to manage school work and their work has been a nightmare. I find using Google classroom good but there are a lot of corrections and the kids school were using Seesaw which I found a nightmare to upload stuff to. One exercise teacher wanted us to photograph answers to quiz and I didnt have time to upload 56 photos. I am constantly behind on kids work and make me regret sending them to another school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭KerryConnor


    Hi there, that's tough go easy on yourself, I don't think there's a 'being behind' at the moment . My 2 primary kids are only getting a fraction of work done(and I mean perhaps less than 20%). Once my daughter gets her reading and spelling done (she's dyslexic) I'm happy. I was putting more pressure on us but just gave up. My oldest child is in 2nd Yr has CBAs (I think it's part of junior cert) so I'm trying to keep on top of that and my own work and that's enough for any family.
    I heard something recently that said the most important thing we can teach them now is resilience so that was enough for me to give up the pestering. I've decided to just try enjoy ourselves as much as possible. favourite dinners, movies n popcorn etc. (wine for me :))

    khalessi wrote: »
    Thats been a big issue here, as Im a single parent and trying to manage school work and their work has been a nightmare. I find using Google classroom good but there are a lot of corrections and the kids school were using Seesaw which I found a nightmare to upload stuff to. One exercise teacher wanted us to photograph answers to quiz and I didnt have time to upload 56 photos. I am constantly behind on kids work and make me regret sending them to another school.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    khalessi wrote: »
    Thats been a big issue here, as Im a single parent and trying to manage school work and their work has been a nightmare. I find using Google classroom good but there are a lot of corrections and the kids school were using Seesaw which I found a nightmare to upload stuff to. One exercise teacher wanted us to photograph answers to quiz and I didnt have time to upload 56 photos. I am constantly behind on kids work and make me regret sending them to another school.


    Little quick tip here. Download and use an all called genius scan for taking photos of stuff. Turns them into PDFs and you can add multiple photos to the one PDF. Greatly reduces the size of them. I find it great and my parents love the simplicity of it.

    No teacher should be adding to stress at home for any primary going children. I've heard some horror stories of work going up on platforms at 9am, midday and again at 4pm. A particular school is expecting that every single bit is completed and returned.

    I've taken the approach that what I put up is like a menu. Parents choose what their children do. Can be none, some or all. No pressure from me. Anything sent back to me is corrected but most parents send don't bother.

    I've held zoom calls with mine and have about 50% of the class on at any given time. No live teaching on them as they are moreso for social interaction. The overriding emotion from my class is one of a sense of loneliness. They just miss actual physical human interaction with people from outside their immediate family. No amount of online bells and whistles can or will ever replace this. I worry about their mental well-being after this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    If we have staggered returns and limited days I think we’ll see a lot of people working part time or becoming stay at home parents. I don’t know how it’ll work for teachers though- if you have kids in one or two days to maintain social distance you still need the same teachers in 5 days- if they have kids themselves they’ll need their own childcare for the other days.

    I’m personally glad they’re not going back now, although I appreciate how challenging it is for parents. I only have one in Montessori and while we miss it, the stories about the inflammatory illnesses in some kids is scary. At the very least this extra time off will show us what’s what, and by September we’ll know more and hopefully be able to say the risks are low


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Little quick tip here. Download and use an all called genius scan for taking photos of stuff. Turns them into PDFs and you can add multiple photos to the one PDF. Greatly reduces the size of them. I find it great and my parents love the simplicity of it.

    No teacher should be adding to stress at home for any primary going children. I've heard some horror stories of work going up on platforms at 9am, midday and again at 4pm. A particular school is expecting that every single bit is completed and returned.

    I've taken the approach that what I put up is like a menu. Parents choose what their children do. Can be none, some or all. No pressure from me. Anything sent back to me is corrected but most parents send don't bother.

    I've held zoom calls with mine and have about 50% of the class on at any given time. No live teaching on them as they are moreso for social interaction. The overriding emotion from my class is one of a sense of loneliness. They just miss actual physical human interaction with people from outside their immediate family. No amount of online bells and whistles can or will ever replace this. I worry about their mental well-being after this.

    We find our kids attack their school work alot better at 830 in the morning. They do their school work we correct it during our lunch break, send some to the teachers so they can comment on it, they also do school hub.

    Their teachers reach out via zoom once a week are very positive to them and understand that parents work 9-6. No pressure from them.

    Teachers sent post cards this week, did a music video week before and personal phone calls the week before that.

    A very positive experience for us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭morebabies


    Just an observation, I definitely can't see masks working on a large scale if they are planning for children to have to wear them in September. After about 15 minutes the novelty will wear off, especially with younger children, they are not pleasant even for grown-ups, they make you feel your breathing is constricted, heat up your face, make it itchy, etc. Plus knowing what my son's boy's secondary school is like, they would be broken and snapped off their faces before lunchtime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    morebabies wrote: »
    Just an observation, I definitely can't see masks working on a large scale if they are planning for children to have to wear them in September. After about 15 minutes the novelty will wear off, especially with younger children, they are not pleasant even for grown-ups, they make you feel your breathing is constricted, heat up your face, make it itchy, etc. Plus knowing what my son's boy's secondary school is like, they would be broken and snapped off their faces before lunchtime.

    The recommendations are not for kids under 13


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    morebabies wrote: »
    Just an observation, I definitely can't see masks working on a large scale if they are planning for children to have to wear them in September. After about 15 minutes the novelty will wear off, especially with younger children, they are not pleasant even for grown-ups, they make you feel your breathing is constricted, heat up your face, make it itchy, etc. Plus knowing what my son's boy's secondary school is like, they would be broken and snapped off their faces before lunchtime.

    We have the advantage of watching other countries first and I trust the swiss thr most.

    "As that scientific debate rages, Daniel Koch, the Swiss infectious disease chief, firmly planted his flag on one side of it Wednesday. “Young children are not infected and do not transmit the virus,” he told reporters, referring to a study released this month as well as his conversations with Swiss health experts"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    If we have staggered returns and limited days I think we’ll see a lot of people working part time or becoming stay at home parents. I don’t know how it’ll work for teachers though- if you have kids in one or two days to maintain social distance you still need the same teachers in 5 days- if they have kids themselves they’ll need their own childcare for the other days.

    I’m personally glad they’re not going back now, although I appreciate how challenging it is for parents. I only have one in Montessori and while we miss it, the stories about the inflammatory illnesses in some kids is scary. At the very least this extra time off will show us what’s what, and by September we’ll know more and hopefully be able to say the risks are low

    The stories about inflammatory diseases are scary, but they are never put in perspective. What are the numbers and what is the typical number?
    Is it usually 5 annually, but is now double at ten? Double sounds scary but 10 out of 750k kids under the age of ten is not a high risk. Even if it doubles. Or it might treble from 2 to 6 - the media will run with treble and not 6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    The recommendations are not for kids under 13

    Currently. Could see this changing before we go back though.

    I know in the the weeks leading up up to us getting kicked out of school that the numbers wearing masks in our school were rising daily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Jizique wrote: »
    The stories about inflammatory diseases are scary, but they are never put in perspective. What are the numbers and what is the typical number?
    Is it usually 5 annually, but is now double at ten? Double sounds scary but 10 out of 750k kids under the age of ten is not a high risk. Even if it doubles. Or it might treble from 2 to 6 - the media will run with treble and not 6.

    Probably more chance of getting hit by a car


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    We have the advantage of watching other countries first and I trust the swiss thr most.

    "As that scientific debate rages, Daniel Koch, the Swiss infectious disease chief, firmly planted his flag on one side of it Wednesday. “Young children are not infected and do not transmit the virus,” he told reporters, referring to a study released this month as well as his conversations with Swiss health experts"

    One study says one thing, a different one has a differing viewpoint. The obvious thing to say is that currently we as a society and by society I mean the human race, we just don't have enough data to give a proper viewpoint. The sample is too small as children really were taken out of the firing line due to the schools being closed very early on. People with a viewpoint will always latch onto the study or report that validates it. Not saying you are doing this but that is human nature.

    Just this morning there is an article in the independent taking about how different experts can't agree how infectious children actually are.


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