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foundation10 · 15-05-2020 03:15PM

wrangler wrote: »

How do you know they're not adhering to recommended practise . surely our great Civil Service should close them down for non compliance if that was true.
The only ones complaining are beef plan and politicians, both with ulterior motives.
Here's a quote from Harris.

I read it in the article I quoted above from the national broadcaster which stated that "some meat plants completed ignored hse guidlines...the recommendations from the Health Service Executive on physical distancing, and did not put proper measures in place to protect workers", that is what has informed me;)

wrangler · 15-05-2020 04:48PM

Supposed to be discussed on drivetime shortly....... be interesting to here why our beloved Civil Service haven't closed the offenders down

Water John · 15-05-2020 04:59PM

Perhaps this well researched article by Ella McSweeney, where she speaks to a number of meat factory workers, North and South, will tell the true conditions.
Now this is in a UK newspaper, so much for our image in our most important and biggest market.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/14/everyones-on-top-of-you-sneezing-and-coughing-life-inside-irelands-meat-plants-covid-19

Now no one can accuse Ella of being a vegan fanatic. Ella TMK fattened her own pigs for the freezer.

Danzy · 15-05-2020 06:13PM

wrangler wrote: »

Supposed to be discussed on drivetime shortly....... be interesting to here why our beloved Civil Service haven't closed the offenders down

The factories wouldn't allow it.

Have the last 30 years and more passed you by.

It's an industry with a bad reputation and very well deserved.

wrangler · 15-05-2020 06:59PM

Danzy wrote: »

The factories wouldn't allow it.

Have the last 30 years and more passed you by.

It's an industry with a bad reputation and very well deserved.

I take and judge people as I find them because there are compulsive liars out there, I've said many times on here that I won't be standing at ICMs gates. especially since I ceased representing farmers............ when I used to be obliged to stand at gates.
People will bad mouth those that are wealthier just for the hell of it,
Creed said tonight that HSE will close down factories that aren't complying.
Workers should show personal responsibility, slow down the line, work half shifts for more hours, show some cop on, no point in telling them to stay out of each others way when, according to reports around here, they don't do it at home

kk.man · 15-05-2020 07:20PM

Water John wrote: »

Perhaps this well researched article by Ella McSweeney, where she speaks to a number of meat factory workers, North and South, will tell the true conditions.
Now this is in a UK newspaper, so much for our image in our most important and biggest market.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/14/everyones-on-top-of-you-sneezing-and-coughing-life-inside-irelands-meat-plants-covid-19

Now no one can accuse Ella of being a vegan fanatic. Ella TMK fattened her own pigs for the freezer.

That's far worse pr for MII than any factory strike or poor price paid to farmers.

wrangler · 15-05-2020 07:38PM

kk.man wrote: »

That's far worse pr for MII than any factory strike or poor price paid to farmers.

And Irish beef

Bass Reeves · 15-05-2020 07:48PM

wrangler wrote: »

I take and judge people as I find them because there are compulsive liars out there, I've said many times on here that I won't be standing at ICMs gates. especially since I ceased representing farmers............ when I used to be obliged to stand at gates.
People will bad mouth those that are wealthier just for the hell of it,
Creed said tonight that HSE will close down factories that aren't complying.
Workers should show personal responsibility, slow down the line, work half shifts for more hours, show some cop on, no point in telling them to stay out of each others way when, according to reports around here, they don't do it at home

I had a good laugh at this

patsy_mccabe · 15-05-2020 07:50PM

What nationality are these workers, by the way?

Bass Reeves · 15-05-2020 07:54PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What nationality are these workers, by the way?

Used to be Eastern Europeans before they had EU travel freedom. Alot of Brazilians now. They in general seem to try to get workers on work permits as they have not got the freedom to move jobs.

dh1985 · 15-05-2020 07:56PM

wrangler wrote: »

I take and judge people as I find them because there are compulsive liars out there, I've said many times on here that I won't be standing at ICMs gates. especially since I ceased representing farmers............ when I used to be obliged to stand at gates.
People will bad mouth those that are wealthier just for the hell of it,
Creed said tonight that HSE will close down factories that aren't complying.
Workers should show personal responsibility, slow down the line, work half shifts for more hours, show some cop on, no point in telling them to stay out of each others way when, according to reports around here, they don't do it at home

Jaysus wrangler you are talking some sh1te. If the IFA, dept of agriculture and the farmers of ireland aren't able to stand up to the cancerous factories you hardly think some under nourished over worked individual on minimum wage in a foreign country with a family to feed is going to out muscle them. The bottom line is the meat industry has as much regard on its employees as it does on its suppliers.

patsy_mccabe · 15-05-2020 07:57PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Used to be Eastern Europeans before they had EU travel freedom. Alot of Brazilians now. They in general seem to try to get workers on work permits as they have not got the freedom to move jobs.

That's what I was thinking alright.

Water John · 15-05-2020 08:32PM

Ella's article has this, 'Timor-Leste, Lithuania, China, Poland, South Africa, Romania, Bulgaria and Brazil.' The 'tied' worker is a form of medieval serfdom, as a country we should be ashamed it's allowed.

mf240 · 15-05-2020 08:44PM

Would bord bia have any interest in this. I know they are at home as they are not essential. But when you consider they used to be taking pictures of power shafts and inquiring about the worming schedule of stray cats, you'd imagine if they are that tuned into the micro management of the farms where animals reside that they would show similar interest in the processing of the product.

Danzy · 15-05-2020 08:53PM

wrangler wrote: »

And Irish beef

I'd say you genuinely believe that the beef industry here is highly reputable and a model of corporate governance and compliance.

They are certainly in the top 95% of businesses, though given all that has come out again and again about them, most people would not agree with us there.

It is truly mind blowing that there is not an industry regulator with strong oversight for the sector given its history.

wrangler · 15-05-2020 09:27PM

dh1985 wrote: »

Jaysus wrangler you are talking some sh1te. If the IFA, dept of agriculture and the farmers of ireland aren't able to stand up to the cancerous factories you hardly think some under nourished over worked individual on minimum wage in a foreign country with a family to feed is going to out muscle them. The bottom line is the meat industry has as much regard on its employees as it does on its suppliers.

And supermarkets have the same regard for their suppliers, that's the real world, some whingeing farmers might need a reality check,
no one owes us a living

Dunedin · 15-05-2020 09:28PM

wrangler wrote: »

Workers should show personal responsibility, slow down the line, work half shifts for more hours,

Could you explain that one please ‘work half shifts for more hours’ ?????

Danzy · 15-05-2020 09:41PM

Dunedin wrote: »

Could you explain that one please ‘work half shifts for more hours’ ?????

Aristotle couldn't explain that one.

wrangler · 15-05-2020 09:43PM

Dunedin wrote: »

Could you explain that one please ‘work half shifts for more hours’ ?????

Half the number of operatives working on the line, then do two shifts.
They'd be further apart and less people in the factory, the cafeteria and the toilets.
I can't believe the farmers wanting factories to close, they'd be closed seven weeks now if some fool listened to them at the start of this mess.
Brings to mind 'turkeys voting for christmas'

Danzy · 15-05-2020 09:45PM

wrangler wrote: »

And supermarkets have the same regard for their suppliers, that's the real world, some whingeing farmers might need a reality check,
no one owes us a living

Supermarkets here largely seem to be reputable and trustworthy people, reputable industry.

Bit cheeky to compare them to the other industry group.

Danzy · 15-05-2020 10:05PM

wrangler wrote: »

Half the number of operatives working on the line, then do two shifts.
They'd be further apart and less people in the factory, the cafeteria and the toilets.
I can't believe the farmers wanting factories to close, they'd be closed seven weeks now if some fool listened to them at the start of this mess.
Brings to mind 'turkeys voting for christmas'

This has to be the strangest post in all of boards.ie history.

If Larry Goodman's mother, for example, or the head of the MII wrote it, he'd be embarrassed and worried why someone was so fawning, Maternal love or wages would not explain it, this is obsession.

wrangler · 15-05-2020 10:09PM

Danzy wrote: »

Supermarkets here largely seem to be reputable and trustworthy people, reputable industry.

Bit cheeky to compare them to the other industry group.

God you're so naive
Did you ever deal with them, Beef processors don't whinge so you never hear how tough supermarkets really are.
ETTG had a veg grower on this week, probably be repeated on Sunday, might be an education for you and he was the only one that would speak, the rest were afraid to speak

https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/files/2009/12/pyramid-of-****-1.jpg

This is the order of life, I needn't tell you where larry is , it might explain why some farmers think everyone's an asshole
It won't load because of the censored word in the web address, just google ' pyramid of sh.. ' you'll get the idea

dh1985 · 15-05-2020 10:11PM

wrangler wrote: »

And supermarkets have the same regard for their suppliers, that's the real world, some whingeing farmers might need a reality check,
no one owes us a living

That they do re supermarkets. But the discussion is about clusters of covid outbreaks in meat processors and not our local supermarkets. Be it the employees fault for not isolating correctly if sick and spreading it among themselves or the factories fault for putting no measures in place onsite or a combination of both. But to think that the employees have the power to dictate to the factories how they should be operating/working is laughable. Which is what you said they should have done. Surely the managers of these plants that are getting the big salaries should be ensuring measures are in place for safe working conditions for employees like has happened in all other industries. And maybe the meat processors have done this already. I cant say. Maybe you can enlighten us with your connections.
- have they gaurds in place shielding staff from one another.
-have they hand washing facilities added
- hand sanitization stations.
-people working from home if possible.
-temperature checking
-social distancing
-perspex screens
-additonal canteen facilities
-staggered rotas
-isolation rooms
-even basic employee education
-facemasks (have been difficult to obtain)

That's just some of the industry norms for covid. I wonder how many of the above have they implemented

And neither the farmer or the minimum wage worker thinks they are owed a living. In the 21st century what they expect is not to be exploited.

Danzy · 15-05-2020 10:21PM

wrangler wrote: »

God you're so naive
Did you ever deal with them, Beef processors don't whinge so you never hear how tough supermarkets really are.
ETTG had a veg grower on this week, probably be repeated on Sunday, might be an education for you and he was the only one that would speak, the rest were afraid to speak

https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/files/2009/12/pyramid-of-****-1.jpg

This is the order of life, I needn't tell you where larry is , it might explain why some farmers think everyone's an asshole

I've sold directly in to multiples, as a small company and as a Sales manager for a well known food company.

I've felt Larry's pain and it breaks my heart what he goes through as much as yours breaks for his plight.

Robson99 · 15-05-2020 10:24PM

Can't believe Rte / Prime Time haven't been all over this. Just shows the control good old Larry has over the National Broadcaster. If it was any other industry they would be investigations / media exposure left right and centre. And why isn't the might Cormac been questioned ? He wasn't media shy when the protests were on going last summer.

Danzy · 15-05-2020 10:27PM

The boners on minimum wage, before deductions, rent, food costs etc are holding the meat industry hostage, according to Wrangler.

Maybe MII will go in during the night and put the Hse recommendations in to action, maybe just to spite Raul and Jose from Brazil in their squat house.

wrangler · 15-05-2020 10:33PM

Danzy wrote: »

This has to be the strangest post in all of boards.ie history.

If Larry Goodman's mother, for example, or the head of the MII wrote it, he'd be embarrassed and worried why someone was so fawning, Maternal love or wages would not explain it, this is obsession.

This whingeing by farmers has to be an obsession you mean, price of 100 acres would buy four rentable houses grossing maybe 30000/yr or rent the land out €20000/yr tax free.
Makes no difference to me if they all closed, They'll have to space out the workers it's that simple,

memorystick · 15-05-2020 10:36PM

Just had a dealer on the phone earlier saying that they won’t rise a whole lot more. Asking me if mine were fit. A nice snaky fella.

wrangler · 15-05-2020 10:38PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Can't believe Rte / Prime Time haven't been all over this. Just shows the control good old Larry has over the National Broadcaster. If it was any other industry they would be investigations / media exposure left right and centre. And why isn't the might Cormac been questioned ? He wasn't media shy when the protests were on going last summer.

They probably would if the allegations were true

wrangler · 15-05-2020 10:51PM

dh1985 wrote: »

That they do re supermarkets. But the discussion is about clusters of covid outbreaks in meat processors and not our local supermarkets. Be it the employees fault for not isolating correctly if sick and spreading it among themselves or the factories fault for putting no measures in place onsite or a combination of both. But to think that the employees have the power to dictate to the factories how they should be operating/working is laughable. Which is what you said they should have done. Surely the managers of these plants that are getting the big salaries should be ensuring measures are in place for safe working conditions for employees like has happened in all other industries. And maybe the meat processors have done this already. I cant say. Maybe you can enlighten us with your connections.
- have they gaurds in place shielding staff from one another.
-have they hand washing facilities added
- hand sanitization stations.
-people working from home if possible.
-temperature checking
-social distancing
-perspex screens
-additonal canteen facilities
-staggered rotas
-isolation rooms
-even basic employee education
-facemasks (have been difficult to obtain)

That's just some of the industry norms for covid. I wonder how many of the above have they implemented

And neither the farmer or the minimum wage worker thinks they are owed a living. In the 21st century what they expect is not to be exploited.

Exploited, I think not, it's neither compulsory to work for them nor supply them.

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