wrangler wrote: » How do you know they're not adhering to recommended practise . surely our great Civil Service should close them down for non compliance if that was true. The only ones complaining are beef plan and politicians, both with ulterior motives. Here's a quote from Harris. I read it in the article I quoted above from the national broadcaster which stated that "some meat plants completed ignored hse guidlines...the recommendations from the Health Service Executive on physical distancing, and did not put proper measures in place to protect workers", that is what has informed me;)
wrangler wrote: » Supposed to be discussed on drivetime shortly....... be interesting to here why our beloved Civil Service haven't closed the offenders down
Danzy wrote: » The factories wouldn't allow it. Have the last 30 years and more passed you by. It's an industry with a bad reputation and very well deserved.
Water John wrote: » Perhaps this well researched article by Ella McSweeney, where she speaks to a number of meat factory workers, North and South, will tell the true conditions. Now this is in a UK newspaper, so much for our image in our most important and biggest market.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/14/everyones-on-top-of-you-sneezing-and-coughing-life-inside-irelands-meat-plants-covid-19 Now no one can accuse Ella of being a vegan fanatic. Ella TMK fattened her own pigs for the freezer.
kk.man wrote: » That's far worse pr for MII than any factory strike or poor price paid to farmers.
wrangler wrote: » I take and judge people as I find them because there are compulsive liars out there, I've said many times on here that I won't be standing at ICMs gates. especially since I ceased representing farmers............ when I used to be obliged to stand at gates. People will bad mouth those that are wealthier just for the hell of it, Creed said tonight that HSE will close down factories that aren't complying.Workers should show personal responsibility, slow down the line, work half shifts for more hours, show some cop on, no point in telling them to stay out of each others way when, according to reports around here, they don't do it at home
patsy_mccabe wrote: » What nationality are these workers, by the way?
wrangler wrote: » I take and judge people as I find them because there are compulsive liars out there, I've said many times on here that I won't be standing at ICMs gates. especially since I ceased representing farmers............ when I used to be obliged to stand at gates. People will bad mouth those that are wealthier just for the hell of it, Creed said tonight that HSE will close down factories that aren't complying. Workers should show personal responsibility, slow down the line, work half shifts for more hours, show some cop on, no point in telling them to stay out of each others way when, according to reports around here, they don't do it at home
Bass Reeves wrote: » Used to be Eastern Europeans before they had EU travel freedom. Alot of Brazilians now. They in general seem to try to get workers on work permits as they have not got the freedom to move jobs.
wrangler wrote: » And Irish beef
dh1985 wrote: » Jaysus wrangler you are talking some sh1te. If the IFA, dept of agriculture and the farmers of ireland aren't able to stand up to the cancerous factories you hardly think some under nourished over worked individual on minimum wage in a foreign country with a family to feed is going to out muscle them. The bottom line is the meat industry has as much regard on its employees as it does on its suppliers.
wrangler wrote: » Workers should show personal responsibility, slow down the line, work half shifts for more hours,
Dunedin wrote: » Could you explain that one please ‘work half shifts for more hours’ ?????
wrangler wrote: » And supermarkets have the same regard for their suppliers, that's the real world, some whingeing farmers might need a reality check, no one owes us a living
wrangler wrote: » Half the number of operatives working on the line, then do two shifts. They'd be further apart and less people in the factory, the cafeteria and the toilets. I can't believe the farmers wanting factories to close, they'd be closed seven weeks now if some fool listened to them at the start of this mess. Brings to mind 'turkeys voting for christmas'
Danzy wrote: » Supermarkets here largely seem to be reputable and trustworthy people, reputable industry. Bit cheeky to compare them to the other industry group.
wrangler wrote: » God you're so naive Did you ever deal with them, Beef processors don't whinge so you never hear how tough supermarkets really are. ETTG had a veg grower on this week, probably be repeated on Sunday, might be an education for you and he was the only one that would speak, the rest were afraid to speakhttps://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/files/2009/12/pyramid-of-****-1.jpg This is the order of life, I needn't tell you where larry is , it might explain why some farmers think everyone's an asshole
Danzy wrote: » This has to be the strangest post in all of boards.ie history. If Larry Goodman's mother, for example, or the head of the MII wrote it, he'd be embarrassed and worried why someone was so fawning, Maternal love or wages would not explain it, this is obsession.
Robson99 wrote: » Can't believe Rte / Prime Time haven't been all over this. Just shows the control good old Larry has over the National Broadcaster. If it was any other industry they would be investigations / media exposure left right and centre. And why isn't the might Cormac been questioned ? He wasn't media shy when the protests were on going last summer.
dh1985 wrote: » That they do re supermarkets. But the discussion is about clusters of covid outbreaks in meat processors and not our local supermarkets. Be it the employees fault for not isolating correctly if sick and spreading it among themselves or the factories fault for putting no measures in place onsite or a combination of both. But to think that the employees have the power to dictate to the factories how they should be operating/working is laughable. Which is what you said they should have done. Surely the managers of these plants that are getting the big salaries should be ensuring measures are in place for safe working conditions for employees like has happened in all other industries. And maybe the meat processors have done this already. I cant say. Maybe you can enlighten us with your connections. - have they gaurds in place shielding staff from one another. -have they hand washing facilities added - hand sanitization stations. -people working from home if possible. -temperature checking -social distancing -perspex screens -additonal canteen facilities -staggered rotas -isolation rooms -even basic employee education -facemasks (have been difficult to obtain) That's just some of the industry norms for covid. I wonder how many of the above have they implemented And neither the farmer or the minimum wage worker thinks they are owed a living. In the 21st century what they expect is not to be exploited.
