Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

VonLuck · 14-05-2020 10:41PM

robbiezero wrote: »

Yep.
We are all in this together.

Nah. The IT lad from Dublin working from home, with most of his family members living within 5KM is not really in the same boat as the now unemployed construction worker from Mayo living in Dublin with most of his family still in Mayo.

We're all in the same storm, but not all in the same boat.

14-05-2020 10:41PM

showpony1 wrote: »

maybe you could go for the hair-cut then use the mask for work after?

Masks are single use when dealing with covid patients. I presume you know this but yeah, make little of it if you like. It's easy for people sitting at home doing nothing to snipe.

boring accountant · 14-05-2020 10:44PM

The 5km rule needs lifting now. In fact, I plan to lift it myself this weekend.

If I go 5km in any direction I’m still in a densely populated area of Dublin. For the sake of my own sanity I’m getting very far from here on Saturday morning.

rob316 · 14-05-2020 10:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I really appreciate your hair dresser been able to get a facemask when I have to re-use my one from yesterday while reviewing a patient on COVID-19 ward because of the shortage of facemasks available in hospitals.

But somebody getting a hair cut is more important than me having increased risk of getting covid-19 treating patients.

Thanks pro economic brigade.

Your problem is with the HSE, the retail market is flooded with masks.

PowerToWait · 14-05-2020 10:45PM

retro:electro wrote: »

She is genuinely upset because she fits wigs and hair pieces to people who suffer from alopecia and those undergoing chemo.

You must be taking the piss. I realise you think this is all about you and your civil liberties etc, but do you honestly believe it's grand for someone having chemotherapy to spend an hour in a small space with potentially asymptomatic cases?

14-05-2020 10:45PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Oh ffs get over yourself. She located them over six weeks ago. It’s not her fault you’re low on stock. Take it up with your supplier, not someone trying to make ends meet and spending money to ensure her business stays afloat through all of this. How bitter are you.

So wait.....

I'm bitter because there is a shortage of PPE and somebody needing a haircut is more worthy of a mask than healthcare professionals caring for covid patients.

Just so I can clarify that this is the rational. Apologies that I worry about my own safety and the safety of the other patients who don't have COVID-19. But hey you, you have your haircut.

awec · 14-05-2020 10:45PM

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Fair enough, guess I'll have to wait another while so!

I'd say Ikea will be packed to the tits on Monday with people trying to get in and get desks and chairs.

boring accountant · 14-05-2020 10:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I really appreciate your hair dresser been able to get a facemask when I have to re-use my one from yesterday while reviewing a patient on COVID-19 ward because of the shortage of facemasks available in hospitals.

But somebody getting a hair cut is more important than me having increased risk of getting covid-19 treating patients.

Thanks pro economic brigade.

Maybe you should direct that at your colleagues. They’re the ones stealing them out of the hospitals.

growleaves · 14-05-2020 10:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Masks are single use when dealing with covid patients. I presume you know this but yeah, make little of it if you like. It's easy for people sitting at home doing nothing to snipe.

Lol

boring accountant · 14-05-2020 10:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So wait.....

I'm bitter because there is a shortage of PPE and somebody needing a haircut is more worthy of a mask than healthcare professionals caring for covid patients.

Just so I can clarify that this is the rational. Apologies that I worry about my own safety and the safety of the other patients who don't have COVID-19. But hey you, you have your haircut.

If a hairdresser can source PPE but the HSE can’t it’s the HSEs fault. It’s extremely doubtful that the hairdresser is getting it from the same kind of supplier as the HSE, but that won’t stop you lashing out from your high horse. Clap clap.

retro:electro · 14-05-2020 10:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So wait.....

I'm bitter because there is a shortage of PPE and somebody needing a haircut is more worthy of a mask than healthcare professionals caring for covid patients.

Just so I can clarify that this is the rational. Apologies that I worry about my own safety and the safety of the other patients who don't have COVID-19. But hey you, you have your haircut.

You do realise that is going to be made a prerequisite for hair salons to have PPE in order to reopen yeah? Don’t be bitter just because they have managed to locate some in light of you not regarding their business as essential. If you have gripes about your lack of equipment then take it up with whoever supplies it. Not those who have to acquire their own in order to stay afloat.

PowerToWait · 14-05-2020 10:49PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Oh ffs get over yourself. She located them over six weeks ago. It’s not her fault you’re low on stock. Take it up with your supplier, not someone trying to make ends meet and spending money to ensure her business stays afloat through all of this. How bitter are you.

This is a rotten, disgusting pig of a post. Stamping your feet all through this thread and you come out with that foul muck.

KerryConnor · 14-05-2020 10:50PM

There's a lot of anger on this thread with how things r bring managed in this country. In my personal life people are stressed, anxious but generally approve with the way things are being done. Herd immunity (which is what some here seem to want) is surely leaving the 20% vulnerable of our population behind.The numbers are coming down daily hopefully that means in the coming weeks we ll have such a handle on it that we ll soon be able to live relatively normal lives. The big loss will be casual travel in and out of country but that should resume over coming months as treatments, technology and testing(perhaps instant testing before travelling) improve.
The coming recession is terrifying but I can't see any alternative. How can we loose control of a deadly disease that poses s very real threat to 20% of our population.
I know this is obvious but just want to add to the balance of opinions here.

retro:electro · 14-05-2020 10:52PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

You must be taking the piss. I realise you think this is all about you and your civil liberties etc, but do you honestly believe it's grand for someone having chemotherapy to spend an hour in a small space with potentially asymptomatic cases?

Yes this is all about me blah blah blah..... :rolleyes:

Hairdressers will be operating on limited clientele, possibly on a one in one out basis. It should be up to the customer to weigh up their own individual risk. It’s not up to me to decide what is “grand” and what is not. Most people can decide for themselves and if they feel it’s a service they need then so be it.

retro:electro · 14-05-2020 10:55PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

This is a rotten, disgusting pig of a post. Stamping your feet all through this thread and you come out with that foul muck.

I don’t really give a **** about what you think of my posts. You won’t get a rise out of me. If you find them so offensive you can always report them.

SusieBlue · 14-05-2020 10:56PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Oh ffs get over yourself. She located them over six weeks ago. It’s not her fault you’re low on stock. Take it up with your supplier, not someone trying to make ends meet and spending money to ensure her business stays afloat through all of this. How bitter are you.

‘We’re all in this together’ ... Until we’re not.
Any business worth their salt will have made provisions to access those sorts of supplies at some point over the last 2 months, in order to prepare for reopening their business.

Otherwise we’d have another rush of panic ordering & buying when restrictions are lifted, and there’d be a month long shortage of hand sanitiser like there was when all this kicked off.
You’d think it’s the logical, sensible thing for someone who is trying to save their livelihood to do but others still try to twist it into something nasty.
Unbelievable, yet so believable.

retro:electro · 14-05-2020 10:57PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

‘We’re all in this together’ ... Until we’re not.
Any business worth their salt will have made provisions to access those sort of supplies at some point over the last 2 months, in order to prepare for reopening their business.

Otherwise we’d have another rush of panic ordering & buying when restrictions are lifted, and there’d be a month long shortage of hand sanitiser like there was when all this kicked off.
You’d think it’s the logical, sensible thing for someone who is trying to save their livelihood to do but others still try to twist it into something nasty.
Unbelievable, yet so believable.

Like the fact that that post is coming from someone who works in a hospital, giving out about other sectors taking safety provisions and locating masks. You’d swear I said she was going to spit on everyone who sat in front of her.

The mind boggles :pac:

14-05-2020 10:57PM

retro:electro wrote: »

You do realise that is going to be made a prerequisite for hair salons to have PPE in order to reopen yeah? Don’t be bitter just because they have managed to locate some in light of you not regarding their business as essential. If you have gripes about your lack of equipment then take it up with whoever supplies it. Not those who have to acquire their own in order to stay afloat.

Where is this government prerequisite that all hairdressers must hog PPE??? When did I say their business was not essential/ not essential?

retro:electro · 14-05-2020 10:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where is this government prerequisite that all hairdressers must hog PPE??? When did I say their business was not essential/ not essential?

Oh go away will ya. Sick of your whinging.

And sorry where did I say the word “hog”. You can get masks literally anywhere now. The retail market is flooded with them. Sorry but you’re just making a fool of yourself whinging about people wanting to be safe at work and prioritising customer safety.

SusieBlue · 14-05-2020 11:04PM

Come off it, it’s not just hairdressers.
ALL industries and sectors have been gathering these supplies the last 8 weeks because the government have made in clear that extra safety measures will be needed to protect the public when restrictions are lifted.
At a very minimum, this would involve gloves, masks and hand sanitiser.

If you have issues with the HSE not providing adequate protective equipment for healthcare staff like yourself, take that up with the HSE.
It isn’t the fault of a small business who are doing all they can to save their livelihoods during these difficult times.

14-05-2020 11:05PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Like the fact that that post is coming from someone who works in a hospital, giving out about other sectors taking safety provisions and locating masks. You’d swear I said she was going to spit on everyone who sat in front of her.

The mind boggles :pac:

I'm going to make this really simple so you can understand my issues. Barbers and hairdressers aren't open at the moment. There is a supply issue with PPE for hospitals due to demand. Barbers and hairdressers aren't opening anytime soon. It is inherently self centred to be buying them at the moment when hospitals are struggling to obtain.

But the selfishness of people is shining through on this thread. They had to pretend for a while to be altruistic but now that the tide is changing, people are back harping on about civil right to be selfish so and sos.

I don't particularly care if I get COVID but I damn sure would feel guilty if I passed it onto a patient.

I have to be in direct contacts with patients as part of working in a hospital. At the moment, hairdressers can't even cut people's hair. But yet, it's fine for people to hoard PPE.

FintanMcluskey · 14-05-2020 11:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm going to make this really simple so you can understand my issues. Barbers and hairdressers aren't open at the moment. There is a supply issue with PPE for hospitals due to demand. Barbers and hairdressers aren't opening anytime soon. It is inherently self centred to be buying them at the moment when hospitals are struggling to obtain.

But the selfishness of people is shining through on this thread. They had to pretend for a while to be altruistic but now that the tide is changing, people are back harping on about civil right to be selfish so and sos.

I don't particularly care if I get COVID but I damn sure would feel guilty if I passed it onto a patient.

I have to be in direct contacts with patients as part of working in a hospital. At the moment, hairdressers can't even cut people's hair. But yet, it's fine for people to hoard PPE.

As simple as I can make this, your issue is with the HSE not Peter Marks.
The HSE are responsible and in this case irresponsible for providing masks.

14-05-2020 11:09PM

KerryConnor wrote: »

There's a lot of anger on this thread with how things r bring managed in this country. In my personal life people are stressed, anxious but generally approve with the way things are being done. Herd immunity (which is what some here seem to want) is surely leaving the 20% vulnerable of our population behind.The numbers are coming down daily hopefully that means in the coming weeks we ll have such a handle on it that we ll soon be able to live relatively normal lives. The big loss will be casual travel in and out of country but that should resume over coming months as treatments, technology and testing(perhaps instant testing before travelling) improve.
The coming recession is terrifying but I can't see any alternative. How can we loose control of a deadly disease that poses s very real threat to 20% of our population.
I know this is obvious but just want to add to the balance of opinions here.

It’s a mild disease and extremely low risk for anyone under 65. The risk is not even that high for 65 - 80 year olds.

Over 1000 of the deaths are over 80. Most of them were already dying of cancer, COPD, diabetes etc. Most were already so sick that they didn’t even bother with ICU.

Average life expectancy in Ireland is 81.

It’s a mild illness that can be dangerous for those over 80.

The media is what is making people so afraid.

retro:electro · 14-05-2020 11:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm going to make this really simple so you can understand my issues. Barbers and hairdressers aren't open at the moment. There is a supply issue with PPE for hospitals due to demand. Barbers and hairdressers aren't opening anytime soon. It is inherently self centred to be buying them at the moment when hospitals are struggling to obtain.

But the selfishness of people is shining through on this thread. They had to pretend for a while to be altruistic but now that the tide is changing, people are back harping on about civil right to be selfish so and sos.

I don't particularly care if I get COVID but I damn sure would feel guilty if I passed it onto a patient.

I have to be in direct contacts with patients as part of working in a hospital. At the moment, hairdressers can't even cut people's hair. But yet, it's fine for people to hoard PPE.

I can understand clearly, thanks. You don’t exactly make it hard.

You can literally buy face masks in Lidl. So you work in a Covid ward yet are giving out about people taking provisions to ensure their safety and minimise their risk of contracting the disease, which in turn has an effect on your job as you will be seeing less patients presenting with the illness because of the measures these industries put in place. And you’re pissed at that? Pathetic.

FintanMcluskey · 14-05-2020 11:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Masks are single use when dealing with covid patients. I presume you know this but yeah, make little of it if you like. It's easy for people sitting at home doing nothing to snipe.

I find it baffling that the HSE have failed so badly at protecting their employees and are laying the blame on a single hairdresser.

SusieBlue · 14-05-2020 11:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm going to make this really simple so you can understand my issues. Barbers and hairdressers aren't open at the moment. There is a supply issue with PPE for hospitals due to demand. Barbers and hairdressers aren't opening anytime soon. It is inherently self centred to be buying them at the moment when hospitals are struggling to obtain.

But the selfishness of people is shining through on this thread. They had to pretend for a while to be altruistic but now that the tide is changing, people are back harping on about civil right to be selfish so and sos.

I don't particularly care if I get COVID but I damn sure would feel guilty if I passed it onto a patient.

I have to be in direct contacts with patients as part of working in a hospital. At the moment, hairdressers can't even cut people's hair. But yet, it's fine for people to hoard PPE.

Did you miss the part where she said it was sourced over 6 weeks ago? We only found out they weren’t allowed open till July last week.

Hairdressers absolutely thought they’d be allowed reopen after the 5th of May, I had an appointment and a deposit booked for May 8th that obviously had to be cancelled.
Same for the nail salon, I had an appointment booked there too that also had to be cancelled until July.

Businesses were obviously under the impression they’d be allowed reopen and prepared accordingly.

It seems like your anger and frustration at your employers failings is being completely misdirected. Safety should be a top priority of any business trying to reopen and yet they still get unfairly criticised for that too.

Your issue is with the HSE and not a hairdresser trying to save her business.

LiquidZeb · 14-05-2020 11:13PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I find it baffling that the HSE have failed so badly at protecting their employees and are laying the blame on a single hairdresser.

I think the isolation has gone to poor dazzlers head. The hairdressers are all plotting against him.

FintanMcluskey · 14-05-2020 11:13PM

KerryConnor wrote: »

There's a lot of anger on this thread with how things r bring managed in this country. In my personal life people are stressed, anxious but generally approve with the way things are being done. Herd immunity (which is what some here seem to want) is surely leaving the 20% vulnerable of our population behind.The numbers are coming down daily hopefully that means in the coming weeks we ll have such a handle on it that we ll soon be able to live relatively normal lives. The big loss will be casual travel in and out of country but that should resume over coming months as treatments, technology and testing(perhaps instant testing before travelling) improve.
The coming recession is terrifying but I can't see any alternative. How can we loose control of a deadly disease that poses s very real threat to 20% of our population.
I know this is obvious but just want to add to the balance of opinions here.

Read up on Sweden.

It does help with anxiety

14-05-2020 11:16PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I find it baffling that the HSE have failed so badly at protecting their employees and are laying the blame on a single hairdresser.

It's not one single hairdresser that it's the issue. It's every other Tom, Dick and Harry trying to obtain PPE at the same time.

LiquidZeb · 14-05-2020 11:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not one single hairdresser that it's the issue. It's every other Tom, Dick and Harry trying to obtain PPE at the same time.

I hear that if you leave your window open , a hairdresser will fly into your house and steal all the PPE gear. This seriously has to be up there with nonsense posts in the thread with the likes of bottle banks becoming hot spots and joggers and cyclists spreading it across the country. Pure madness.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings