Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

showpony1

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s a mild disease and extremely low risk for anyone under 65. The risk is not even that high for 65 - 80 year olds.

Over 1000 of the deaths are over 80. Most of them were already dying of cancer, COPD, diabetes etc. Most were already so sick that they didn’t even bother with ICU.

Average life expectancy in Ireland is 81.

It’s a mild illness that can be dangerous for those over 80.

The media is what is making people so afraid.

this seems to be too good to be true, people in 20s/30s/40s have an almost zero chance of anything happening to them in other words. I am sure someone else will post saying something different.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not one single hairdresser that it's the issue. It's every other Tom, Dick and Harry trying to obtain PPE at the same time.

Not every Tom Dick and Harry is locating PPE. Most people are looking into getting face coverings, as is advised by the government. They don’t have to be medical grade.
Hair salons by the very nature of their work cannot operate with social distancing in place so they actually need the gear in order to protect themselves and their clients. Are you — as someone who has stated they work in a hospital and has worked on a Covid ward — honestly saying that is a bad thing? I’m genuinely shocked. You do realise it’ll actually make your job a whole lot easier if they do this right? Or are you on a wind up?

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not one single hairdresser that it's the issue. It's every other Tom, Dick and Harry trying to obtain PPE at the same time.

Ok. So the HSE have had 2 months of relatively empty hospital's to plan for what is ahead.

And now that private companies are taking initiative to plan ahead the HSE has been blindsided.

showpony1

showpony1 wrote: »

this seems to be too good to be true, people in 20s/30s/40s have an almost zero chance of anything happening to them in other words. I am sure someone else will post saying something different.

It’s strange the media are not pointing it out more clearly but that’s what the stats show. A tiny number under 45 have actually died.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ok. So the HSE have had 2 months of relatively empty hospital's to plan for what is ahead.

And now that private companies are taking initiative to plan ahead the HSE has been blindsided.

You still never explained to me how the coronavirus and the seasonal flu have the mortality rate? Your links didn't suggest that at all. Will you actually back up your statements for once? Actually engage in a bit of discussion. I'm happy to be corrected if there actually is evidence that the seasonal flu is as deadly as covid-19.

martingriff

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

You best prepare to be killed so. This thing is here to stay, until next year at the very least.

What most of us seemingly in here want is some sign of our "government" working towards life including the virus, instead of the current shutdown of life until the virus magically goes away.

If we're in full on lockdown for no apparent reason, numbers down to a handful, all the curves flattened into oblivion, R number somewhere up Tony's hole, then prepare yourself for similar crazyness in August, September, October, when our hopeless leaders sh!t themselves when a few hundred new cases crop up. They're instilling little if no hope right now. Stay in the bunkers lads, can't be making the HSE do what they're paid to now can we.

I meant 8 weeks of lockdown I thought that be obvious. Yes I know its here for a long time but if we do our bit then we can hopefully not experience the lockdown again

showpony1

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s strange the media are not pointing it out more clearly but that’s what the stats show. A tiny number under 45 have actually died.

i suppose "death" is a strong metric, i wouldn't really want to be really ill or close to death either in 30s.

i definitely know of one person i was in school with who died of it in early 30s - so when read that its only over 80s have that in back of my mind.

Having said that i'm only trying to convince my self ill be "grand" to go for a haircut.

Stark

I bought some surgical masks that were on sale in the supermarket in anticipation of an announcement on face coverings next week. Was I supposed to leave them for the HSE?

martingriff

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can you explain what you mean?

That Covid 19 does not kill all old people who contract the virus so using 1 example to try and get a sly dig on Tony is immature

showpony1

Stark wrote: »

I bought some surgical masks that were on sale in the supermarket in anticipation of an announcement on face coverings next week? Was I supposed to leave them for the HSE?

no for the hairdressers.

daithi7

A genuine question here:
What exactly is the Irish public health policy wrt Covid 19?

I mean, I know they started off wanting to 'flatten the curve' to prevent our ICUs getting overwhelmed, but now that we have achieved that crisis objective, what exactly are the strategy objectives now??

E.g. 1. is it gradual herd immunity while protecting those most at risk?

Or 2. trying to suppress the disease?

Or 3. is it to limit deaths until either treatments &/or vaccines are realised that will save us!?!

Genuinely curious.... and confused tbh...

martingriff

boring accountant wrote: »

If a hairdresser can source PPE but the HSE can’t it’s the HSEs fault. It’s extremely doubtful that the hairdresser is getting it from the same kind of supplier as the HSE, but that won’t stop you lashing out from your high horse. Clap clap.

If it is the same kinds of masks while they may not be getting them from the same supplier they are more then likely getting them from the same manufacturer

Edit Not in relation to a hairdresser but do they need the same stuff as the hospitals as I agree they should have something

jibber5000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I really appreciate your hair dresser been able to get a facemask when I have to re-use my one from yesterday while reviewing a patient on COVID-19 ward because of the shortage of facemasks available in hospitals.

But somebody getting a hair cut is more important than me having increased risk of getting covid-19 treating patients.

Thanks pro economic brigade.

Yesterday you were boasting about how great Covid has been economically for you getting paid 70 euro an hour with unlimited overtime.

Today, it's concern re limited facemasks.

Priorities etc.

martingriff

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ok. So the HSE have had 2 months of relatively empty hospital's to plan for what is ahead.

And now that private companies are taking initiative to plan ahead the HSE has been blindsided.

Well the HSE need a constant supply you do realise that they wear the mask and all that go with it once and then have to discard it every time they see a patient all patients regardless of what they have just incase. So they need thousands and thousands it is just not that easy to get in that great of a quantity all the time

LiquidZeb

jibber5000 wrote: »

Yesterday you were boasting about how great Covid has been economically for you getting paid 70 euro an hour with unlimited overtime.

Today, it's concern re limited facemasks.

Priorities etc.

No dazzlers doing it all for us. Only for us.

martingriff

Stark wrote: »

I bought some surgical masks that were on sale in the supermarket in anticipation of an announcement on face coverings next week. Was I supposed to leave them for the HSE?

They are more then likely not the same type and I would doubt a hairdresser would need the same type the HSE use

martingriff

daithi7 wrote: »

A genuine question here:
What exactly is the Irish public health policy wrt Covid 19?

I mean, I know they started off wanting to 'flatten the curve' to prevent our ICUs getting overwhelmed, but now that we have achieved that crisis objective, what exactly are the strategy objectives now??

E.g. 1. is it gradual herd immunity while protecting those most at risk?

Or 2. trying to suppress the disease?

Or 3. is it to limit deaths until either treatments &/or vaccines are realised that will save us!?!

Genuinely curious.... and confused tbh...

Limit death and ICU admissions still and do this by being as safe as possible by possibly using masks and distancing rules. Also getting the time for tests and contact tracing is important

Micky 32

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s a mild disease and extremely low risk for anyone under 65. The risk is not even that high for 65 - 80 year olds.

Over 1000 of the deaths are over 80. Most of them were already dying of cancer, COPD, diabetes etc. Most were already so sick that they didn’t even bother with ICU.

Average life expectancy in Ireland is 81.

It’s a mild illness that can be dangerous for those over 80.

The media is what is making people so afraid.

Here’s the problem though, different ways of looking at it. My parents are in 70’s. Both have heart conditions but extremely fit and healthy otherwise. They still could have a chance of another good 10 years. Example both my uncles had heart attacks in their 60’s and now they are nudging 90.

If they got covid it could wipe them out in a week and rob them of another potential 10 years so not all covid deaths could be terminal. But i do agree a lot of deaths may have been terminal but some are not.

Utopia Parkway

showpony1 wrote: »

this seems to be too good to be true, people in 20s/30s/40s have an almost zero chance of anything happening to them in other words. I am sure someone else will post saying something different.

Going by last Friday's statistical breakdown.

By last Friday 956 of the 1,429 deaths were of people 80 or over.
1,264 of the 1,429 were of people 70 or over.
Nobody 34 or under has died.
15 people 49 or under have died.

Obviously pre existing conditions play a big part as well.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Of all the suffering in the world right now, I think being from Mayo is possibly worst of all.

Terrible here in Westport at the moment. Locked down in this weather. Walking empty beaches. Blue skies free of contrails. Strolling with the locals out the Quay. Fishing off the pier. I yearn for the day all the tourists return.

Micky 32

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Going by last Friday's statistical breakdown.

By last Friday 956 of the 1,429 deaths were of people 80 or over.
1,264 of the 1,429 were of people 70 or over.
Nobody 34 or under has died.
15 people 49 or under have died.

I know a 32 year old over 6ft fit no illness and it killed him.

vid36

People under 30 have died in Ireland. I think it is only two. One of them was the teenage girl in Mayo that the controversy was about at last week's press conference.

bush

daithi7 wrote: »

A genuine question here:
What exactly is the Irish public health policy wrt Covid 19?

I mean, I know they started off wanting to 'flatten the curve' to prevent our ICUs getting overwhelmed, but now that we have achieved that crisis objective, what exactly are the strategy objectives now??

E.g. 1. is it gradual herd immunity while protecting those most at risk?

Or 2. trying to suppress the disease?

Or 3. is it to limit deaths until either treatments &/or vaccines are realised that will save us!?!

Genuinely curious.... and confused tbh...

I think they are confused too by looks of it.

Micky 32

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Terrible here in Westport at the moment. Locked down in this weather. Walking empty beaches. Blue skies free of contrails. Strolling with the locals out the Quay. Fishing off the pier. I yearn for the day all the tourists return.

For most part the travel restrictions don’t apply to me. I drove 50km from home and it was legal, great having the road to myself lol

polesheep

SusieBlue wrote: »

‘We’re all in this together’ ... Until we’re not.
Any business worth their salt will have made provisions to access those sorts of supplies at some point over the last 2 months, in order to prepare for reopening their business.

Otherwise we’d have another rush of panic ordering & buying when restrictions are lifted, and there’d be a month long shortage of hand sanitiser like there was when all this kicked off.
You’d think it’s the logical, sensible thing for someone who is trying to save their livelihood to do but others still try to twist it into something nasty.
Unbelievable, yet so believable.

Pay no attention to that poster, I don't believe any claims he makes. My wife has been working with Covid-19 patients for weeks and has never had to reuse a face mask. The quality of the new PPE isn't great and it chaffs, but there's no shortage.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

I know a 32 year old over 6ft fit no illness and it killed him.

Condolences and RIP.
Don't think his height has any relevance though.

FrStone

boring accountant wrote: »

If a hairdresser can source PPE but the HSE can’t it’s the HSEs fault. It’s extremely doubtful that the hairdresser is getting it from the same kind of supplier as the HSE, but that won’t stop you lashing out from your high horse. Clap clap.

It's incredible really that the HSE has had such difficulty locating PPE.

My own workplace purchased 1,000 medical grade face masks at the start of March just in case. We are all working from home now so they are unlikely to be used, but it shows that if you want PPE it was there to be purchased at the start of this.

daithi7

bush wrote: »

I think they are confused too by looks of it.

I think that's precisely the issue....
They started with a clear objective of flattening the curve and preventing thr overwhelming of ICUs, etc.

We've achieved that and now they are not at all clear what their objectives are imho.

E.g. if it is to acquire herd immunity there is a string case to be made to try to actively infect younger age cohorts while protecting older ones & risk groups. E.g. in this strategy, schools & unis should definitely resume...

But tbh, it looks like the NPHet are more than a little confused as to what thr best strategy is and as a result are opting for an unfeasible, hugely discomoding, massively expensive disease suppression strategy.... which in an open, connected country like Ireland will almost also certainly fail.

mandrake04

hmmm wrote: »

They're notoriously unreliable. I agree with the HSE not investing in these until they are proven to be better, we don't need to be wasting money on tests. The UK only signed off on one yesterday, it's too soon for Ireland to be spending tens of millions on a test.

[url] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/04/coronavirus-dr-scott-gottlieb-says-he-would-take-three-antibody-tests-to-ensure-accuracy.htm[/url]

The finger prick rubbish is unreliable, I have posted many times why this is so.

The UK signed up to the Roche test below which is a serum based ElectroChemiLuminescence immunoassay test on the electsys platform. Very reliable.

Although caution is often welcome, this might lead to a bigger problem. The test can only be run on the platform... that platform is now going be in huge demand especially in the UK and other countries that have committed and are moving forward with the test. They will be buying up all the instrumentation available.

Ireland have already several of these platforms but they are used in hospitals and what I have been told already at capacity. To ramp up additional testing they need to invest in more equipment but so is every other country in the world.

Ireland’s testing woes has mainly been about capacity that’s what they always said, it’s lack of instrumentation from the start which they partly resolved but they still rely on the Germans. You don’t want to be that parent on Xmas eve looking for that sought after toy.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ah come on now, Roche antibody tests give 99.8% accuracy.

Surely thats reliable?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-13/u-k-boosted-in-virus-fight-by-clearance-of-roche-antibody-test

Being taken up by Germany, US and UK now.

This is the way forward

"Roche’s antibody test won emergency use in the U.S. earlier this month and clearance for countries accepting Europe’s CE marking. On May 4, the U.K. government said it was in talks with the company about a mass roll-out of its tests. The Swiss pharmaceutical giant expects production to reach the high double-digit millions by June and pass the 100 million monthly threshold later this year."

mandrake04

boring accountant wrote: »

Do you know what else is unreliable? Covid testing!

The tests we use only have 70% sensitivity.

We get false negatives all the time. Even people with severe symptoms who have been in close contact with confirmed cases have received negative results.

The test itself is at least 95-98% accurate.

The test is only as good as the sample collected, if the sample was taken correctly in the first place and it swabbed up virus then it will more or less definitely be positive.

There’s two draw backs to taking the test.

a) the swab has to be correctly inserted and scoop up the virus, it maybe touch part of the respiratory system that has a low viral load or just not inserted far enough.

b) you can be infected and be outside the test window, ie test too soon before the virus has had a chance to present it self at the swab site.