Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Galwayguy35

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s always better to undercommit and over deliver. It would be worse to lay out a more aggressive plan and then have to row back because it was too aggressive

You can rest easy knowing Leo and Tony have no intention of laying out a more agressive plan.

They are going at a snails pace and people are sick of hearing how "we are all in this together " and "stay the course".

I'm noticing more cars on the road this week and parents and kids enjoying the sunshine, people are moving on with their lives and won't put up with being told to lock themselves away anymore.

martingriff

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Jesus, our 2nd biggest city has 1 covid case on ventilator and pubs gotta wait till 10th of August to reopen. that is 3 months away from today. 3 months.....

This shambles gets more shambolic by the minute.

Well if pubs can get there act together and get the plans for social distancing going and not like a typical Friday night they will be open much sooner

Arghus

VonLuck wrote: »

Everyone that's saying that "the people have had enough" or something similar, where exactly are these people? I know that my circle of friends, work colleagues and family are generally accepting of the current measures. They may not be happy with them, but are putting up with it. I also don't see much dissent on other social media platforms or from journalists, for the most part.

Is the general public actually that annoyed with the restrictions or is this just some sort of bubble within boards?

It's boards buddy. It's not the same as reality lived by most people. This thread is crazy town.

jaffa20

I thought they were going to provide a list of what can reopen in advance of 18th May? How can a business prepare in advance if they don't know whether they can reopen. I guess queues will be mad everywhere for some time anyway.

VonLuck

Speakerboxx wrote: »

You obviously aren't affected by covid 19 restrictions because it you were your tune would be different i can assure you.

Of course I'm affected. Everyone is. Some more than others admittedly. I'm lucky enough to be able to work from home, but I'm impacted in every other aspect of my life.

Blaze420

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

You can rest easy knowing Leo and Tony have no intention of laying out a more agressive plan.

They are going at a snails pace and people are sick of hearing how "we are all in this together " and "stay the course".

I'm noticing more cars on the road this week and parents and kids enjoying the sunshine, people are moving on with their lives and won't put up with being told to lock themselves away anymore.

The government is fixated on stage 1 while the public appetite is already stage 3 or higher. The official plan is too dragged out and needs to be shortened - once restrictions lift on Monday the genie is out of the bottle and people won’t be so patient to get back to normality.

martingriff

Blaze420 wrote: »

Yes but without the briefing as a reference or any reference to the age, most people are reading that headline as 400+ today. Historic figures are not needed, we need real time to 1/2 day delay figures only.

Blame the papers. We do need to know the total figures

Blaze420

martingriff wrote: »

Blame the papers. We do need to know the total figures

I understand that but what value does adding 200+ historical cases do for anyone? I don’t care about those 200, unless there were deaths involved then telling me 200 people had it at one stage but are grand now means absolutely **** all

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

Karl Dieter, I heard on it too. Everything he said was a rock of sense. Pat is usefully very balanced and factual in fairness to him.

Didn't Pat Kenny allude to cyclists emitting plumes of Covid germs as they trundled along?
And the guy has a radio show.

martingriff

Blaze420 wrote: »

The government is fixated on stage 1 while the public appetite is already stage 3 or higher. The official plan is too dragged out and needs to be shortened - once restrictions lift on Monday the genie is out of the bottle and people won’t be so patient to get back to normality.

I think your right they are fixated with stage 1 but I have a feeling that there will be a change to the stages from stage 2 and we will have only the main social distancing rules and crowds left by July

FintanMcluskey

jaffa20 wrote: »

I thought they were going to provide a list of what can reopen in advance of 18th May? How can a business prepare in advance if they don't know whether they can reopen. I guess queues will be mad everywhere for some time anyway.

Leo will be on the LLS on Friday night reading the reopening plan off the back of a box of cigarettes, so the businesses will be loud and clear what happening the next working day

iamwhoiam

They need to change the 5kms to 20kms very soon its really bugging people

retro:electro

Arghus wrote: »

It's boards buddy. It's not the same as reality lived by most people. This thread is crazy town.

Whether people are saying it outwardly or not is one thing — but their behaviour is what’s most telling. More cars on the roads, more people out for walks, shops opening up, people out (distantly) exercising together and some people pushing the 5k ridiculous boundary. Some people won’t say it outward but most are fed up and can see this for what it is and their behaviour is what is telling. I was chatting to one of my friends earlier and said how i feel on the whole thing and she said “thank god you said that. We thought we were going mad here”

Blaze420

martingriff wrote: »

I think your right they are fixated with stage 1 but I have a feeling that there will be a change to the stages from stage 2 and we will have only the main social distancing rules and crowds left by July

I mentioned it already but I think they are missing the big picture of what needs to be in each stage - I couldn’t give less of a **** about exercising distances being extended or certain shops being opened. I want to visit my parents freely (I had the misfortune of announcing their first grandchild to them over video call because of this bull****), and I want some return to normality work wise. I am not willing any longer to wait until August or further to be able to do those, especially visiting.

martingriff

Blaze420 wrote: »

I understand that but what value does adding 200+ historical cases do for anyone? I don’t care about those 200, unless there were deaths involved then telling me 200 people had it at one stage but are grand now means absolutely **** all

For the general public nothing probably but for the stats and transparency everything. Imagine in a few months when there will be a committee on this and the papers release a story of x amount of cases not revealed there be a thread on here blasting the government and Houlihan (quiet right 2) and I bet some would be people who are lambasting the release of these number on all threads today in relation to Covid 19

MrDavid1976

Blaze420 wrote: »

I mentioned it already but I think they are missing the big picture of what needs to be in each stage - I couldn’t give less of a **** about exercising distances being extended or certain shops being opened. I want to visit my parents freely (I had the misfortune of announcing their first grandchild to them over video call because of this bull****), and I want some return to normality work wise. I am not willing any longer to wait until August or further to be able to do those, especially visiting.

October it is now. Although in a positive they have moved the discussion on Christmas until next week.

iamwhoiam

Blaze420 wrote: »

I mentioned it already but I think they are missing the big picture of what needs to be in each stage - I couldn’t give less of a **** about exercising distances being extended or certain shops being opened. I want to visit my parents freely (I had the misfortune of announcing their first grandchild to them over video call because of this bull****), and I want some return to normality work wise. I am not willing any longer to wait until August or further to be able to do those, especially visiting.

Exactly . I know two people who haven’t seen a new grandchild yet and ache to see them

Congratulations !!!

martingriff

iamwhoiam wrote: »

They need to change the 5kms to 20kms very soon its really bugging people

Given they are allowing some exercise and sports to reopen I am surprised they had not. It would be possible they might change it

Blaze420

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Exactly . I know two people who haven’t seen a new grandchild yet and ache to see them

Congratulations !!!

Thank you Its a horrible time for us - robbed of telling my parents face to face, I can’t be with her for scans or anything involving maternity and going by the restrictions I may not even be allowed in for the birth. After 7 years of trying it’s just a punch in the ****ing face.

martingriff

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Leo will be on the LLS on Friday night reading the reopening plan off the back of a box of cigarettes, so the businesses will be loud and clear what happening the next working day

Also how to use a mask properly

iamwhoiam

Blaze420 wrote: »

Thank you Its a horrible time for us - robbed of telling my parents face to face, I can’t be with her for scans or anything involving maternity and going by the restrictions I may not even be allowed in for the birth. After 7 years of trying it’s just a punch in the ****ing face.

Keep hoping and who knows by then maybe you can . Things change daily

Colibri

Are death certs showing up as Covid-19 even if the person doesn't die *from* coronavirus but has it at time of death or is this a Facebook theory?

I asked a few pages back but I can't see responses

martingriff

Blaze420 wrote: »

I mentioned it already but I think they are missing the big picture of what needs to be in each stage - I couldn’t give less of a **** about exercising distances being extended or certain shops being opened. I want to visit my parents freely (I had the misfortune of announcing their first grandchild to them over video call because of this bull****), and I want some return to normality work wise. I am not willing any longer to wait until August or further to be able to do those, especially visiting.

I am going to miss my brother and his wife first child been born but mine is a bit different as I would need a plane or boat as he is in Scotland. The restrictions of meeting people need to be looked at again I agree with you there. I can work from home but (I do not believe I am saying this) would love to go into our broken down crappy building again

martingriff

Colibri wrote: »

Are death certs showing up as Covid-19 even if the person doesn't die *from* coronavirus but has it at time of death or is this a Facebook theory?

I asked a few pages back but I can't see responses

If they had the virus then it would be put on it I am not sure if they would put other causes as well such as heart failure with Covid 19 likely have been a factor

the kelt

It is a fair point about the numbers though.

I genuinely was out with the kids for a walk, scrolled down through twitter and was hit with a barrage of tweets from official media sources etc which were on the minute reporting the fact of the 400+ new cases and I put my phone in my pocket and just said “ah jaysus, here we go now”

I wasn’t even going to bother but curiosity got the better of me so I said hold on there’s must be some mistake or issue here that I found out about the situation where there’s actually only 140 new cases, that should be the headline, 140 new cases.

But it is turning into a bit of a fiasco now at this stage.

I mean the issues we have are care home settings where we intentionally moved people from hospitals into!

Testing and tracing still not up to speed how many weeks later?

Minutes of meetings and information to the public held back until it was raised as an issue and they were forced to release.

It turns out anyway the NPHET was basically writing cheques that the HSE couldn’t cash in regards to testing etc and when this was raised by the HSE to the minister by email it remained unanswered for weeks!

And on the day before cabinet decides on definitely easing some restrictions it’s like, opps, sorry here’s another 300 or so people with the disease we didn’t even know we had, my bad!

And the craziest thing of all is if you dare to question any of this there’s a huge section of the population ready to in a social media sense tear you limb from limb for daring to question shouting at you to stfah!.. I mean honestly Simon Harris was interviewed the other morning on today fm and the first comment was how great it was that he could be interviewed without being questioned!!

Jaysus I don’t know, as a nation we are so easily led it’s unreal!

VonLuck

retro:electro wrote: »

Whether people are saying it outwardly or not is one thing — but their behaviour is what’s most telling. More cars on the roads, more people out for walks, shops opening up, people out (distantly) exercising together and some people pushing the 5k ridiculous boundary. Some people won’t say it outward but most are fed up and can see this for what it is and their behaviour is what is telling. I was chatting to one of my friends earlier and said how i feel on the whole thing and she said “thank god you said that. We thought we were going mad here”

An increase in people outside is to be expected. A combination of a relaxation of the 2km to 5km, better weather, over 70's allowed outside and a better understanding of the virus (i.e. if you maintain social distancing when out and about, you'll more than likely be fine).

Also, that is anecdotal evidence regarding your friend. For every one person that is saying they think it's ridiculous, how many more are tolerating it?

stephenjmcd

Colibri wrote: »

Are death certs showing up as Covid-19 even if the person doesn't die *from* coronavirus but has it at time of death or is this a Facebook theory?

I asked a few pages back but I can't see responses

Yes, if they're confirmed covid they are registered as a coronavirus death.

Arghus

Colibri wrote: »

Are death certs showing up as Covid-19 even if the person doesn't die *from* coronavirus but has it at time of death or is this a Facebook theory?

I asked a few pages back but I can't see responses

Yes, it was confirmed in one of the briefings last week that if a person dies who has tested postive for covid 19 it's listed as a death from Covid 19.

It's a hard to judge the actual cause of death in these cases. If someone dies of blunt force trauma it's pretty clear cut, but as far as I am aware you can't just die from Covid 19 alone, but it can be the primary cause of death - if you know what I mean.

For instance,a person can die of a heart attack or organ failure, but it's the strain of Covid attacking their respiratory system that was the primary cause of that organ failure. In the same way people don't die from flu alone, they die because of the strain it puts on the body and organs, which then fail.

Covid causes the respiratory failure, which causes the organ failure, which kills the patient. So technically they die of that - but covid was the reason it happened in the first place.

Blaze420

Blaze420 wrote: »

Yes but without the briefing as a reference or any reference to the age, most people are reading that headline as 400+ today. Historic figures are not needed, we need real time to 1/2 day delay figures only.

We don’t need any figures. Majority of the population are numerically illiterate as demonstrated here daily. Without looking at numbers in context people always read the wrong thing in to then. In both directions

Galwayguy35

RTE seems to have turned into an offical Government news outlet not daring to question anything about the restrictions.