Masks

railer201 · 11-05-2020 09:55PM

Yes: valved

owlbethere wrote: »

I bought a fabric/reusable face mask from etsy. It's cotton with a filter a pocket. I gave it a wash last week and it dried. With the news from England about a requirement for masks in certain situations, I think Ireland will be going down the same path.

I decided to try on my mask. Just to see how it would feel. I then decided to wear it around the house for a few minutes like wearing it going to the jacks.

I'm not going to lie. It's actually a little bit of a heavy wear and I don't have any filter in it yet. It would be OK to put it on outside a shop, and motor around a shop but that's about it. It would be very hard to wear on a bus especially on a hot day. On a wet, humid day as well would be another time where it will be hard to wear on a bus.

The mask is a bit warm. I got about 10 minutes wear from it before I had to take it off my face.

It's an odd feeling at first, but after about three days wearing it you should forget you're wearing it, provided it's a snug fit (not over-tight) and you can breathe easily through the fabric. Stick with it and adjust the ear loops if necessary to get a comfortable fit.

Colibri · 11-05-2020 10:18PM

Yes: valved

railer201 wrote: »

Claire Byrne doing a bit on masks at half ten tonight - making a mask out of a tea towel. No further details, it was a very brief announcement after the news.

Do we take it something is starting to move r/e the public being advised to wear masks / face coverings ?

God I hope so.

McGiver · 11-05-2020 10:34PM

No: I don't care enough

railer201 wrote: »

It's an odd feeling at first, but after about three days wearing it you should forget you're wearing it, provided it's a snug fit (not tight) and you can breathe easily through the fabric. Stick with it and adjust the ear loops if necessary to get a comfortable fit.

Yeah, but on the other hand it should be tight. I'd say very tight. There should not be any sort of air coming out of the upper part to your face when you breathe out...if it is then it's not worn properly.

McGiver · 11-05-2020 11:12PM

No: I don't care enough

ShineOn7 wrote: »

From Reddit

This poster usually has a sensible head

Thoughts?

Sounds bollox. Boiling? Why? Viruses are readily destroyed by soap. High temperature isn't really needed in presence of the soap. The "you should boil it" is a bacteria related habit. Bacteria are harder to destroy...

Are they talking about disposable masks or cloth?

McGiver · 11-05-2020 11:14PM

No: I don't care enough

railer201 wrote: »

Claire Byrne doing a bit on masks at half ten tonight - making a mask out of a tea towel. No further details, it was a very brief announcement after the news.

What's the conclusion from Claire Byrne? Didn't watch it.

If the RTE have started talking about it then they think it's coming...

Colibri · 11-05-2020 11:46PM

Yes: valved

McGiver wrote: »

What's the conclusion from Claire Byrne? Didn't watch it.

If the RTE have started talking about it then they think it's coming...

She had a sewist/fashion designer on, and showed how to make the makeshift mask that you see online with the folded up cotton & two elastic bands. Also showed some sew options but said there's a video being posted on CB's social media for a longer how-to.

Generally a very good segment.

JoeA3 · 11-05-2020 11:51PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Claire Byrne is an appalling “magazine” show. It reminds me of Live at 3 with Derek Davis.

Zardoz · 12-05-2020 12:07AM

Yes: other

khalessi wrote: »

Holohan just saying major part of tomorrows NPHET meeting on masks

They are about a month too late .

2u2me · 12-05-2020 12:08AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

If you have 70% ethanol/IPA, you can spray it over the mask and it can be re-used. I know that you can also "boil" the material masks, but I'm not sure how a mask like that would hold up

Thoughts?

Personally I wouldn't trust spray alcohol unless I could dip the entire mask in the stuff. Seems a bit of a waste.

Not sure about boiling(probably is effective) but definitely soap and warm water would do a great job. Soap breaks down the outer lipid layer of the virus at a molecular level.

But ideally if you have enough masks you could just cycle through them while the ones you've worn can air-dry out for a few days.

12-05-2020 02:45AM

Just be careful microwaving them. I saw some advice up on a reputable site saying that it would kill the virus. They weren't wrong I suppose. I just didn't think they meant it would kill it with fire.

railer201 · 12-05-2020 08:28AM

Yes: valved

McGiver wrote: »

Yeah, but on the other hand it should be tight. I'd say very tight. There should not be any sort of air coming out of the upper part to your face when you breathe out...if it is then it's not worn properly.

Yes, a snug fit but not over-tight is what I meant - edited above, thanks.

Boggles · 12-05-2020 09:19AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Claire Byrne is an appalling “magazine” show. It reminds me of Live at 3 with Derek Davis.

Leave Derek alone you bastárd!

Boggles · 12-05-2020 09:55AM

McGiver wrote: »

But it's a progress. It was a diesel engine with no diesel in the tank. Now the diesel is in the tank but it's frozen...

Can you link the article where this was published?

It was on the RTE rolling feed.

They are discussing it today apparently.

The pandemic will be over.

Glacial, it's the reason I flinched when I heard that the HSE will be overseeing abortion services in this country, by the time you get an appointment to have the abortion, the child will be doing their Junior Cert.

Wibbs · 12-05-2020 11:11AM

Yes: other

Zardoz wrote: »

They are about a month too late .

Yep. So like protecting care homes, bringing in efficient testing, bringing in actual contact tracing, border controls, quarantine? So the usual timeframe then? Actually a month late is being kind.

McGiver · 12-05-2020 11:22AM

No: I don't care enough

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep. So like protecting care homes, bringing in efficient testing, bringing in actual contact tracing, border controls, quarantine? So the usual timeframe then? Actually a month late is being kind.

Testing - not too bad, similar levels as other EU countries, it was on Czech level few weeks back
Border controls - total failure
Quarantine - failure
Tracing - No comment
The thing is all these things need organisation and good governance, which Ireland generally doesn't have, at least with the current government.

Masks - are much more easier to organise than any of the above if you go the DIY & "face coverings" way. Print 1 page flyers on how to make it, how to wear it - deliver to all households. Tell retailers and public transport to enforce it. Done and dusted.

McGiver · 12-05-2020 11:28AM

No: I don't care enough

Big worry when restrictions are eased, and especially if there are no masks mandated, is imports of cases (people travelling to/from abroad). Because the gov couldn't do anything about border controls & quarantine of incoming people, they will fail again. Imports from the UK are a huge risk, and then other countries of course.

Seanergy · 12-05-2020 11:48AM

Yes: valved

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep. So like protecting care homes, bringing in efficient testing, bringing in actual contact tracing, border controls, quarantine? So the usual timeframe then? Actually a month late is being kind.

Way too kind, It's 3 months late and counting because be are nowhere near over the line on this.

HSE choose to operate a delayed strategy inline with WHO advice. WHO knew about asymptomatic spread in 2nd week of February.

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 11:59AM

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Seanergy wrote: »

Way too kind, It's 3 months late and counting because be are nowhere near over the line on this.

HSE choose to operate a delayed strategy inline with WHO advice. WHO knew about asymptomatic spread in 2nd week of February.

They played it down, not believing it to be a significant element of the spread. I don't think there is enough research yet to clarify that part.

ixoy · 12-05-2020 12:04PM

McGiver wrote: »

Imports from the UK are a huge risk, and then other countries of course.

Why are imports a huge risk? Goods are in shipping containers and the like and so any small virus that manages to somehow get on a pack will likely die off (and probably not have been an issue in the first place).
We never stopped importing.

McGiver · 12-05-2020 12:22PM

No: I don't care enough

ixoy wrote: »

Why are imports a huge risk? Goods are in shipping containers and the like and so any small virus that manages to somehow get on a pack will likely die off (and probably not have been an issue in the first place).
We never stopped importing.

Imports of cases via people. Not imports of goods.

ixoy · 12-05-2020 12:25PM

McGiver wrote: »

Imports of cases via people. Not imports of goods.

Ah sorry, yes.
Curious how land borders are being done in the EU. Flights are one thing but there's loads of ways to cross over, much like our border with the North.

Wibbs · 12-05-2020 03:17PM

Yes: other

is_that_so wrote: »

They played it down, not believing it to be a significant element of the spread. I don't think there is enough research yet to clarify that part.

By early February there were German and Korean examples of asymptomatic spread clusters and they were reported in august medical journals, the notion of a "super spreader" was around in January with a few examples around the world. Remember the guy in England, a scout leader IIRC, who came back from a skiing trip and infected a load of people. Yet we had our expert Prof Comican telling people it was nada and to carry on as normal until sore throats and runny noses presented themselves in a known covid19 contact. In March. They're a sad joke at this stage. The media are as bad for not calling them on it anywhere.

RugbyLad11 · 12-05-2020 04:08PM

When will we know the outcome from the NPHET today? They were discussing the use of masks today

Colibri · 12-05-2020 05:08PM

Yes: valved

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

When will we know the outcome from the NPHET today? They were discussing the use of masks today

If not at the briefing, I'd say Monday. Hopefully Monday at a separate briefing, to show the public how to make/wear one.

The government needs to educate the people or else we'll have confused people not knowing what to do, probably looking to buy N95s for themselves

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 05:11PM

No: other

Colibri wrote: »

If not at the briefing, I'd say Monday. Hopefully Monday at a separate briefing, to show the public how to make/wear one.

The government needs to educate the people or else we'll have confused people not knowing what to do, probably looking to buy N95s for themselves

It'll come from Harris if there is a guidance and it will not be mandatory.

kingtut · 12-05-2020 05:16PM

I wonder why the people who are wearing masks in order to prevent themselves from getting covid-19 are not also wearing goggles?

Also the amount of people I see wearing masks incorrectly is insane!

Colibri · 12-05-2020 05:17PM

Yes: valved

is_that_so wrote: »

It'll come from Harris if there is a guidance and it will not be mandatory.

Yeah that's probably what will happen

Stark · 12-05-2020 05:18PM

No: other

kingtut wrote:

I wonder why the people who are wearing masks in order to prevent themselves from getting covid-19 are not also wearing goggles?

Also the amount of people I see wearing masks incorrectly is insane!

Not sure of those people's motives but the point of wearing masks is not to protect the wearers, it's to protect other people from the wearers.

Colibri · 12-05-2020 05:18PM

Yes: valved

kingtut wrote: »

I wonder why the people who are wearing masks in order to prevent themselves from getting covid-19 are not also wearing goggles?

Also the amount of people I see wearing masks incorrectly is insane!

The idea of masks isn't to protect themselves, it's to protect others. But, I do see your point. Even a pair of glasses can offer protection!

Stoolbend · 12-05-2020 05:19PM

I wear a mask all day at work. Outside of work I don't go anywhere to justify one.

The only shop I go to is the filling station for diesel.

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