Relaxation of restrictions Part II

uli84 wrote: »

Really? Who said that the dates could be moved up?

That was stated in the the roadmap to reopening society and business on page 5 I think.

Cina wrote: »

They're not overhwhelmed because we went into lockdown.

Have you seen Italy? Or the US? Prime examples of what happens when countries didn't do what we did early enough.

The problem is that people like you see the lower death rates and assume that means the virus isn't actually as deadly as we've been told, despite those low death rates only being there because we've all been under strict f*cking lockdowns. Maybe they do need to open everything up again for a while so you lot can see what will happen if this virus is left unchecked.

Coronoavirus has already been proven to be extremely infectious, with much higher mortality rates than the flu yet you still get people claiming it's not as bad as it's made out to be. mental. It's amazing how the internet brigade seemingly know more than most top scientists and doctors worldwide. Fair play to ye.

Ya but there has to be a middle ground, any doctor is going say shut everything down because from a medical point of view this is the safest thing to, but it is not viable long term. As for the scientists we have a different model coming out every day, debunked and then a new model the following week.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

There would be many deaths apart from Covid if they were to cocoon until August .

Not only that but since over 70’s are included in the most vulnerable bracket, staying active and keeping as fit and healthy as possible is extremely important for their immunity and fitness levels, which are factors that we depend on in order to fight the virus. Locking them up for months and not allowing them any exercise at all would have extremely negative affects if they were to catch the virus come August. We need to encourage them to keep as fit and active as possible (obviously keeping away from shops and crowds)

I fail to see why a walk either alone or with a member of their household daily, or even a neighbour while keeping to strict social distancing and not touching anything would have untoward consequences for their health. There’s no evidence it has for anyone so far.

Cina wrote: »

They're not overhwhelmed because we went into lockdown.

Have you seen Italy? Or the US? Prime examples of what happens when countries didn't do what we did early enough.

The problem is that people like you see the lower death rates and assume that means the virus isn't actually as deadly as we've been told, despite those low death rates only being there because we've all been under strict f*cking lockdowns. Maybe they do need to open everything up again for a while so you lot can see what will happen if this virus is left unchecked.

Coronoavirus has already been proven to be extremely infectious, with much higher mortality rates than the flu yet you still get people claiming it's not as bad as it's made out to be. mental. It's amazing how the internet brigade seemingly know more than most top scientists and doctors worldwide. Fair play to ye.

Denmark, Czech republic, Sweden, Germany are all opened. Czech republic have opened borders. Sweden has never even closed.

Did 20 000 people die in Sweden? 50 000? Are we going to have a minutes silence for 100 000 dead in Sweden from Coronavirus?

Belarus has continued to play football, their president says business as usual, laughs at countries like ours who just committed financial suicide. I havent seen a single piece of evidence of 100 000 dead in Belarus, a country of 9.5m people. Or even 2,000...

(MINSK, Belarus) — The World Health Organization is urging the government of Belarus to cancel public events and implement measures to ensure physical and social distancing amid the growing coronavirus outbreak.

Belarus has long figured out that WHO are just a bunch of clowns who are not even funded anymore.

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya but there has to be a middle ground, any doctor is going say shut everything down because from a medical point of view this is the safest thing to, but it is not viable long term. As for the scientists we have a different model coming out every day, debunked and then a new model the following week.

I agree a middle ground is needed, whatever that is. Our roadmap is overly slow and restrictive. At the same time I think it's dangerous to try downplay this virus now after we've successfully implemented measures to curb its progress.

Italy and Spain had to lock their people indoors completely for two months because their health services were collapsing under coronavirus, but people seem eager to forget that. We shouldn't underestimate what this virus can do if measures aren't in place.

Cina wrote: »

I agree a middle ground is needed, whatever that is. Our roadmap is overly slow and restrictive. At the same time I think it's dangerous to try downplay this virus now after we've successfully implemented measures to curb its progress.

Italy and Spain had to lock their people indoors completely for two months because their health services were collapsing under coronavirus, but people seem eager to forget that. We shouldn't underestimate what this virus can do if measures aren't in place.

Italy and Spain were so badly hit in my opinion because they had no time to react, with just social distancing,good hygiene and locking down the nursing homes, I do think we would not have seen anything on the scale of what Italy and spain had.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Is ICU overwhelmed? are hospitals overwhelmed? In Ireland - no.

In Wuhan they were, so they build 1600 bed hospital in 11 days.

In UK they turned stadiums and large venues into temporary hospitals/beds 4000 beds in blink of an eye. They are empty now btw and have never been utilised, because coronavirus is just not as deadly or contagious as some people in this thread will make you believe it is. And if you say otherwise, they ll say you have an agenda against 70 year olds...

You need to show some consideration towards front line health care workers. Thankfully, they weren't overwhelmed in Ireland. Have you seen what's going on in countries where they have been? They are exhausted, traumatised and many have died due to over-exposure to the virus and their vulnerability to it. I can't imagine what would happen if these countries spike again.



Despite what you suggest, this virus is highly contagious. The outbreaks in our meat-processing factories show this with 100s testing positive. Many of the workers who tested positive were asymptomatic. These people are unwittingly bringing the virus home, risking exposure to vulnerable people. This paints a picture of possible future scenarios as things relax and how important it is that we're on top of testing.



It's a desperate situation for our economy, but economies require consumer confidence. That can only be regained if it can be conclusively shown that the State is on top of things. That affects our ability to borrow what we need to keep our economy alive.



I'm sure that the relaxation will be reviewed over time and that things will move quicker if our numbers keep improving. However, I believe that the economy would be in worse trouble if the restrictions were constantly yo-yo-ing.

hmmm wrote: »

It's difficult to know what people want on this thread at times.

On the one hand we are supposed to protect the at-risk groups and let everyone else go about their business, but then we are also opposed to asking over-70s to stay at home?

We give out about empty hospitals being prepared for large amounts of Covid patients, while at the same time we think the risk is overstated and we should just get out and about spreading it.

We give out about the number of deaths in nursing homes, while at the same time appear happy to accept large numbers of deaths as the price for reopening everything.

I saw a Harvard doctor being interviewed on TV recently when talking about Trump and his supporters pushing for reopening before the virus was under control. He simply asked would the supporters of this approach have the courage to say exactly how many deaths in patients and hospital staff they were happy to accept as the price of this rush to reopen.

Very little of that bears any relation to what is being written on this thread.

the kelt wrote: »

Ok what about Belgium which got really badly affected by this.

How come they are opening up quicker than us with all shops opening up 11th of May and Schools partially the following week

Or Italy allowing 4 million people back to work as of today

Or Slovenia, Italy and Poland opening up

Or France partially opening up primary schools on May 11th

Genuine question, whats have we got so wrong that means we cant open up compared to the rest of the world?

I dont know the answer, trust me im no expert but i see no harm in asking the question of why though rather than just follow blindly

To be clear, I didn't at any point argue that our roadmap isn't overly restrictive compared to other countries, only that it's wrong to underestimate how dangerous this virus actually is if nothing is done about it or if people start to become too lax about it.

this is what NPHET said very much on one hand and the other https://assets.gov.ie/73788/5d0c9cc4619c4f59877bf3f6e7a14afb.pdf

road_high wrote: »

Take it as read then that the payments won’t be lasting much longer, perhaps a month or two more

Did anyone realistically think that it was going to be never ending?

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

That's incorrect. If Sweden's deaths per 1m is 279, and Ireland's is 261, it seems to suggest lockdown is borderline useless. Wash your hands and try to stay 2 meters away from strangers and no public gatherings of more than 50 people has done the job for Sweden and did not create 22% unemployment/ 14% long term unemployment.

But then you have people coming and starting to give you demographics of Sweden, how their people are superior and smarter than Irish people and can follow directions etc. How Irish people are drunks and would break social distancing in pubs within 10 mins of entering etc etc. Nonsense.

Is it nonsense though? Was it not actually proven on the first weekend after the restrictions were implemented when many videos circulated of people not social distancing?

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

A doctor, a lawyer and a statistician went hunting.
After about 30 minutes on the trail the doctor had a shot at a dear but just missed the head by a couple of centimetres. The lawyer lined up a shot then but just as he fired, his foot slipped and he missed the ass of the dear by an inch.
"We got him!" yelled the statistician!

*gets coat*

Oh deer...