Cina wrote: » They're not overhwhelmed because we went into lockdown. Have you seen Italy? Or the US? Prime examples of what happens when countries didn't do what we did early enough. The problem is that people like you see the lower death rates and assume that means the virus isn't actually as deadly as we've been told, despite those low death rates only being there because we've all been under strict f*cking lockdowns. Maybe they do need to open everything up again for a while so you lot can see what will happen if this virus is left unchecked. Coronoavirus has already been proven to be extremely infectious, with much higher mortality rates than the flu yet you still get people claiming it's not as bad as it's made out to be. mental. It's amazing how the internet brigade seemingly know more than most top scientists and doctors worldwide. Fair play to ye.
uli84 wrote: » Really? Who said that the dates could be moved up?
stephenjmcd wrote: » "The Department of Social Protection will continue to support workers until they go back to work, a government Minister has said. However, Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection, Regina Doherty also warned that the current payments would not sustainable in the long term." The times and the examiner cover the above quotes this morning, with ministers saying stuff like that you'll see more and more businesses looking to open up well before the current road map allows
iamwhoiam wrote: » There would be many deaths apart from Covid if they were to cocoon until August .
easypazz wrote: » We don't. We just google "coronavirus Sweden"
snowcat wrote: » This is true. NZ and other countries with very low rates are now hugely susceptable to a second wave as they have no herd tolerence at all.https://sway.office.com/PwTN7GCvJWDgn9yd
niallo27 wrote: » Ya but there has to be a middle ground, any doctor is going say shut everything down because from a medical point of view this is the safest thing to, but it is not viable long term. As for the scientists we have a different model coming out every day, debunked and then a new model the following week.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I know the "save over 70s" brigade is going to come after me, but yet another extremely educated individual is coming out and saying - chill. Elderly are not going to drop like flies once pubs open. And in fact coronavirus isnt necessarily going to end million of lives if you are allowed to go to TKmaxx. YOUR risk of dying from coronavirus is "roughly the same as your annual risk", a top expert says. Professor David Spiegelhalter, a statistician at the University of Cambridge, said that people are "over anxious" about getting Covid-19 - despite the chances being relatively low.
Cina wrote: » I agree a middle ground is needed, whatever that is. Our roadmap is overly slow and restrictive. At the same time I think it's dangerous to try downplay this virus now after we've successfully implemented measures to curb its progress. Italy and Spain had to lock their people indoors completely for two months because their health services were collapsing under coronavirus, but people seem eager to forget that. We shouldn't underestimate what this virus can do if measures aren't in place.
Cina wrote: » Sweden, one of the world's most sparsely populated countries. Their borders were shut between neighbouring countries. They have the highest percentage of adult's living alone in the world. They still had social distancing in place and restrictions on public transport etc. Why Sweden? Why not Italy? Why not Spain? Why not the USA? Why not the UK? Why not Belgium? They are a solitary example to use when so many other examples exist that show coronavirus is extremely deadly if nothing is done about it.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Is ICU overwhelmed? are hospitals overwhelmed? In Ireland - no. In Wuhan they were, so they build 1600 bed hospital in 11 days. In UK they turned stadiums and large venues into temporary hospitals/beds 4000 beds in blink of an eye. They are empty now btw and have never been utilised, because coronavirus is just not as deadly or contagious as some people in this thread will make you believe it is. And if you say otherwise, they ll say you have an agenda against 70 year olds...
hmmm wrote: » It's difficult to know what people want on this thread at times. On the one hand we are supposed to protect the at-risk groups and let everyone else go about their business, but then we are also opposed to asking over-70s to stay at home? We give out about empty hospitals being prepared for large amounts of Covid patients, while at the same time we think the risk is overstated and we should just get out and about spreading it. We give out about the number of deaths in nursing homes, while at the same time appear happy to accept large numbers of deaths as the price for reopening everything. I saw a Harvard doctor being interviewed on TV recently when talking about Trump and his supporters pushing for reopening before the virus was under control. He simply asked would the supporters of this approach have the courage to say exactly how many deaths in patients and hospital staff they were happy to accept as the price of this rush to reopen.
CoronaBlocker wrote: » A doctor, a lawyer and a statistician went hunting. After about 30 minutes on the trail the doctor had a shot at a dear but just missed the head by a couple of centimetres. The lawyer lined up a shot then but just as he fired, his foot slipped and he missed the ass of the dear by an inch. "We got him!" yelled the statistician! *gets coat*
Deleted User wrote: » Plus there is an increasing amount of evidence that different types of lockdowns have not had a meaningful impact on the the trajectory of the virus through different European countries, whether Spain, Sweden or Ireland. Both epidemiologists on Newstalk this morning talking about hygiene, social distancing, testing and tracing being the mechanisms through which spread is managed - not lockdowns
helpful wrote: » That was stated in the the roadmap to reopening society and business on page 5 I think.
the kelt wrote: » Ok what about Belgium which got really badly affected by this. How come they are opening up quicker than us with all shops opening up 11th of May and Schools partially the following week Or Italy allowing 4 million people back to work as of today Or Slovenia, Italy and Poland opening up Or France partially opening up primary schools on May 11th Genuine question, whats have we got so wrong that means we cant open up compared to the rest of the world? I dont know the answer, trust me im no expert but i see no harm in asking the question of why though rather than just follow blindly
hmmm wrote: » Completely wrong. This virus is around 3 times more infectious than the Flu. The actions we have taken have slowed the spread - without those actions we would have been a Wuhan, Iran or Ecuador. If you're going to look for restrictions to be lifted, you need to at least live in reality when proposing what should be done first.
easypazz wrote: » The Stockholm metro area has a population of 2.4M, compared to 1.4M Dublin. I don't disagree with social distancing but if you ask me the final phase of the lockdown here achieved very little and in fact it made things worse in terms of destroying the economy completely, requiring a very difficult comeback now. Stockholm are expecting herd immunity in weeks, so if this swings around again they may be better placed than the rest of us.
road_high wrote: » Take it as read then that the payments won’t be lasting much longer, perhaps a month or two more
Naos wrote: » There's a real issue when you have people stating the virus is not as deadly or as infectious as once thought, while at the same time completely disregarding the impact these lockdown measures have had on the virus. It also appears some are just wanting to have a go for the sake of it. There was a huge contingency on this thread demanding a roadmap last week and without one, there would be uproar. Then they get one and so that rage is re-directed towards the roadmap and how it's not good enough.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » That's incorrect. If Sweden's deaths per 1m is 279, and Ireland's is 261, it seems to suggest lockdown is borderline useless. Wash your hands and try to stay 2 meters away from strangers and no public gatherings of more than 50 people has done the job for Sweden and did not create 22% unemployment/ 14% long term unemployment. But then you have people coming and starting to give you demographics of Sweden, how their people are superior and smarter than Irish people and can follow directions etc. How Irish people are drunks and would break social distancing in pubs within 10 mins of entering etc etc. Nonsense.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Here is another joke, Denmark opening barbers on 21 April and Ireland on 20th of July. Either 1 government is reckless or 1 government is clueless.
kippy wrote: » Or two countries with vastly different variables.
