Relaxation of restrictions Part II

hmmm wrote: »

Don't worry, it sounds made up. Any guard worth their salt would have heard of this and shut it down quickly.

The Guards have done a good job balancing trying to enforce the restrictions while not being too heavy handed. A few mistakes, but nothing as bad as some of the UK forces.

This thread is full of Trumpian extremists - it would be nice to have a thread where we could discuss how we realistically open up safely over the next few weeks.

I've responded previously to this very genuine request, my response is below

The numbers clearly say that most deaths occur either in hospitals or nursing homes. We do not have 80% of 1300 dead people collected from their homes because they got corona on their most recent Aldi trip.

We need to have a clear plan of A)protecting everyone who is over 60 years of age OR people with underlying conditions that are younger than 60 and keeping the economy going and not putting people into poverty that will cause thousands of deaths 12 months from now.

To achieve A & B only possible way out of this is to tell the younger, healthier population to go to work and NOT interact with elderly (not easy, but has to be done) until a vaccine or a treatment drug has been developed.

This can be done in 3 short phases with 2 weeks between each other, all the outdoor workers first (construction etc) then 2 weeks later small shops/barbers/restaurants with small capacity and then lastly open up large shops/TK maxx etc etc. Do it on capacity level rather than industry/area. No one knows if barbers or pubs would be more infectious, so its better to open by capacity and estimate worst case scenarios and see if empty hospitals can handle.

VonLuck wrote: »

I'd hate to be in a position of power right now. No matter what you do you will be criticised.

If you give in to pressure and relax measures you'll be blamed that the number of cases / deaths could have been lower.

If it's successful, you'll receive criticism that the measures were too strict and are crippling the economy.

The reality is that no one knows for sure what the right approach is. The important thing is that there is a plan in place and that it needs to be followed through, regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

If the plan on lifting the restrictions goes as expected Ireland will have had the longest lockdown of any country in the world as it won't end until August 10.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Assuming this story is true what precautions is your local barber taking? Is he wearing gloves or a mask? Is he properly cleaning and disinfecting his equipment? Does he have family or friends in one of the high risk groups?What about his clients? The same questions apply to them as well.

It’s clearly made up. No place in Dublin has a “local barber”’they have about 6 of them.

costacorta wrote: »

What threat would 1000 guys on a bike with a litre of milk do ?

It would be extremely dangerous for a start.
Im not sure would 1000 men all fit on a bike, but if they did Im sure they would manage the litre of milk

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

he takes all the necessary steps to protect himself and his customer.

Clearly he doesn't since he's open for business.

Really good thread summarising what we know about how the virus spreads:
https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1257392347010215947

these studies indicate that close & prolonged contact is required for #COVID19 transmission. The risk is highest in enclosed environments; household, long-term care facilities and public transport.

High infection rates seen in household, friend & family gatherings, transport suggest that closed contacts in congregation is likely the key driver of productive transmission. Casual, short interactions are not the main driver of the epidemic though keep social distancing!

We might need an age limit in pubs, except it's for the over 60s. Anyone with a cough or a fever should not be allowed in anywhere.

easypazz wrote: »

€700m handed to private hospitals I think I read.

Enough for a brand new state of the art hospital somewhere.

The money poured into this, and very questions asked, is obscene.

€700 Million will buy you a state of the art hospital if built by the private sector but one third of one if built by the State.

SNNUS wrote: »

Just an observation but, I have not heard of any supermarket closing because of a COVID19 outbreak. I would have thought at the start of this that this would happen a lot as the supermarkets are the place you would think would be most risky due to amount of people etc and that it could make all staff isolate if it did happen.

And surprisingly there was no news of large number of supermarket staff getting ill.

I have visited the same supermarket since all this began, and every single employee is still working from what I can see. So none got sick. I have used it for years and I'd know the faces who work there.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Reinfection rate is less than 1. ICU is less than 100. Number of cases isn’t high, especially if you exclude nursing homes and medical staff.

Yet we’ll still have a form of lockdown for at least quarter of a year.

Baffling that we’re not reopening sooner and cocooning the elders.

I hope people will support the austerity as much as the lockdown, because we’ve gotta pay big for every day this drags on.

It’s the lack of it being challenged in the mainstream is what I can’t understand. The timeline seems to have swallowed up wholesale by most in the public eye. Nobody seems to be questioning why TF we have three more months of this ahead of us while the rest of Europe is lifting restrictions left right and centre. A few more weeks, yeah grand. Three more months being dragged out while the rest of the world is moving on is fcuking torturous and nonsensical