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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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easypazz

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The joined to protect the safety of the public and thry are doing that. What's the problem?

What threat does a lad on a bike with a litre of milk pose?

the dark phantom

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The joined to protect the safety of the public and thry are doing that. What's the problem?

Protecting the safety of the public from the Cannabis plant..

Ginger n Lemon

hmmm wrote: »

Don't worry, it sounds made up. Any guard worth their salt would have heard of this and shut it down quickly.

The Guards have done a good job balancing trying to enforce the restrictions while not being too heavy handed. A few mistakes, but nothing as bad as some of the UK forces.

This thread is full of Trumpian extremists - it would be nice to have a thread where we could discuss how we realistically open up safely over the next few weeks.

I've responded previously to this very genuine request, my response is below

The numbers clearly say that most deaths occur either in hospitals or nursing homes. We do not have 80% of 1300 dead people collected from their homes because they got corona on their most recent Aldi trip.

We need to have a clear plan of A)protecting everyone who is over 60 years of age OR people with underlying conditions that are younger than 60 and

keeping the economy going and not putting people into poverty that will cause thousands of deaths 12 months from now.

To achieve A & B only possible way out of this is to tell the younger, healthier population to go to work and NOT interact with elderly (not easy, but has to be done) until a vaccine or a treatment drug has been developed.

This can be done in 3 short phases with 2 weeks between each other, all the outdoor workers first (construction etc) then 2 weeks later small shops/barbers/restaurants with small capacity and then lastly open up large shops/TK maxx etc etc. Do it on capacity level rather than industry/area. No one knows if barbers or pubs would be more infectious, so its better to open by capacity and estimate worst case scenarios and see if empty hospitals can handle.

rob316

hmmm wrote: »

Don't worry, it sounds made up. Any guard worth their salt would have heard of this and shut it down quickly.

The Guards have done a good job balancing trying to enforce the restrictions while not being too heavy handed. A few mistakes, but nothing as bad as some of the UK forces.

This thread is full of Trumpian extremists - it would be nice to have a thread where we could discuss how we realistically open up safely over the next few weeks.

I despise Trump but I'm not brainwashed enough to ignore the fact this timeline of reopening could kill off many sectors in our country. We can't afford this, our children are already going to be paying off the bank bailout. We can't add another 20/30 billion to it. Lets see how pro-lockdown people are when the next budget comes around.

We need everything open by July 1st at the latest and it can be done.

Cork Boy 53

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

My local barber is open, you need to make an appointment and he has his blinds down so people can't see inside.

I know people won't be happy to hear that but I say fair play to him we need to get this country back up and running.

Imagine the guards raiding a barbers and arresting people for getting their haircut...

Assuming this story is true what precautions is your local barber taking? Is he wearing gloves or a mask? Is he properly cleaning and disinfecting his equipment? Does he have family or friends in one of the high risk groups?What about his clients? The same questions apply to them as well.

lawrencesummers

scamalert wrote: »

id guess propably every town in ireland by now has few barbers garages and other places doing job off side, you do realize some people still work every day, and have to look presentable, not everyone hides in a corner like a little b%tch thinking it will go away once government says so.

Says a lot about a fella that you think sporting a fresh fade is a pre requisite of looking presentable.

who_ru

VonLuck wrote: »

I'd hate to be in a position of power right now. No matter what you do you will be criticised.

If you give in to pressure and relax measures you'll be blamed that the number of cases / deaths could have been lower.

If it's successful, you'll receive criticism that the measures were too strict and are crippling the economy.

The reality is that no one knows for sure what the right approach is. The important thing is that there is a plan in place and that it needs to be followed through, regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

If the plan on lifting the restrictions goes as expected Ireland will have had the longest lockdown of any country in the world as it won't end until August 10.

Stheno

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I think it isnt about defending owns statement. A fact remains that Ireland will have on the 9th of August, longest lockdown for restaurants etc. on the whole planet.

Only way to disprove is it to say oh hey, look at Madagascar, they locked up their restaurant staff for 7 months because of fears of 0.65% mortality rate disease. It would be funny if true, but it isnt true. No one comes even close to our 5 months effective lockdown thats the painful thing :(:(

Eh you do know that restaurants are scheduled to open on June 19th?

Have you posted one single post outside this foeumsince you joined yesterday???

lawrencesummers

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Assuming this story is true what precautions is your local barber taking? Is he wearing gloves or a mask? Is he properly cleaning and disinfecting his equipment? Does he have family or friends in one of the high risk groups?What about his clients? The same questions apply to them as well.

It’s clearly made up. No place in Dublin has a “local barber”’they have about 6 of them.

NIMAN

rob316 wrote: »

We can't afford this, our children are already going to be paying off the bank bailout. We can't add another 20/30 billion to it. Lets see how pro-lockdown people are when the next budget comes around.

It will be interesting to see how much support there will be for any austerity measures that have to be brought in in the coming years to pay for all this.

At present it would appear the majority support the governments handling of this crisis. Many think they are doing a great job. They continue to say we have to do whatever it takes to beat this virus.

But this is going to cost us, and a lot.

I can't see everyone saying "ah sure no problem, I don't mind paying more tax, didn't we beat the virus " when the pain comes.

easypazz

Stheno wrote: »

Eh you do know that restaurants are scheduled to open on June 19th?

Have you posted one single post outside this foeumsince you joined yesterday???

I doubt there will be many opening with the rules being forced on them by the cervicalcheck dictator.

costacorta

easypazz wrote: »

What threat does a lad on a bike with a litre of milk pose?

What threat would 1000 guys on a bike with a litre of milk do ? Rules are for everyone and that’s like saying what threat would 2 guys in a pub do or 20 people on a beach ?

FintanMcluskey

costacorta wrote: »

What threat would 1000 guys on a bike with a litre of milk do ?

It would be extremely dangerous for a start.
Im not sure would 1000 men all fit on a bike, but if they did Im sure they would manage the litre of milk

Galwayguy35

I also know of a barber who will give a haircut by appointment, he takes all the necessary steps to protect himself and his customer.

Its good to see some people getting back on their feet before they have no business to go back to.

na1

shocksy wrote: »

The road map has been laid out. Deal with it.

This roadmap is crap tbh. Most people are annoyed with it, especially there is no indication some measures are necessary, for example travelling in a car.

SNNUS

Just an observation but, I have not heard of any supermarket closing because of a COVID19 outbreak. I would have thought at the start of this that this would happen a lot as the supermarkets are the place you would think would be most risky due to amount of people etc and that it could make all staff isolate if it did happen.

sterz

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

he takes all the necessary steps to protect himself and his customer.

Clearly he doesn't since he's open for business.

hmmm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

This can be done in 3 short phases with 2 weeks between each other, all the outdoor workers first (construction etc) then 2 weeks later small shops/barbers/restaurants with small capacity and then lastly open up large shops/TK maxx etc etc. Do it on capacity level rather than industry/area. No one knows if barbers or pubs would be more infectious, so its better to open by capacity and estimate worst case scenarios and see if empty hospitals can handle.

If you implemented your above plan, and hospital admissions shot up in week 3, you'd have to roll back 2 phases. I would think for many businesses preparing to open, and being shut a few weeks later, would finish them off. It would also hugely damage consumer confidence.

The virus can take up to 14 days to incubate for most people. Hospitalisation is typically around 7 days later - that's where the 3 weeks comes from.

By doing this in 3 week phases, we will know exactly which group of changes have caused a rise in the number of cases, and we hopefully only have to roll back one phase at most.

na1

easypazz wrote: »

What threat does a lad on a bike with a litre of milk pose?

By the time he arrive home, the milk turn sour in this weather, and the family can get food poisoning.
The guards are just checking the expiry date on the milk.

jackboy

NIMAN wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how much support there will be for any austerity measures that have to be brought in in the coming years to pay for all this.

It’s going to be especially hard on the nurses who are being lauded as heroes at the moment. Their income is going to be heavily reduced by all the new tax increases on the way.

For those who think there will be no austerity and that there will be bailouts for all, its not going to happen. There will be bailouts for the rich as usual and the rest of us will have to pay for it.

hmmm

Really good thread summarising what we know about how the virus spreads:
https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1257392347010215947

these studies indicate that close & prolonged contact is required for #COVID19 transmission. The risk is highest in enclosed environments; household, long-term care facilities and public transport.

High infection rates seen in household, friend & family gatherings, transport suggest that closed contacts in congregation is likely the key driver of productive transmission. Casual, short interactions are not the main driver of the epidemic though keep social distancing!

We might need an age limit in pubs, except it's for the over 60s. Anyone with a cough or a fever should not be allowed in anywhere.

na1

hmmm wrote: »

By doing this in 3 week phases, we will know exactly which group of changes have caused a rise in the number of cases, and we hopefully only have to roll back one phase at most.

Each phase has multiple changes. (2-3) maybe we should split it in 15 by 3 week phases to be certain?

JPCN1

easypazz wrote: »

€700m handed to private hospitals I think I read.

Enough for a brand new state of the art hospital somewhere.

The money poured into this, and very questions asked, is obscene.

€700 Million will buy you a state of the art hospital if built by the private sector but one third of one if built by the State.

Skyfloater

Was any reason given why we have to wait another two weeks until the 18th before building sites, garden centres and DIY stores open?
What quantifiable thing is supposed to happen between now and the 18th?

NIMAN

SNNUS wrote: »

Just an observation but, I have not heard of any supermarket closing because of a COVID19 outbreak. I would have thought at the start of this that this would happen a lot as the supermarkets are the place you would think would be most risky due to amount of people etc and that it could make all staff isolate if it did happen.

And surprisingly there was no news of large number of supermarket staff getting ill.

I have visited the same supermarket since all this began, and every single employee is still working from what I can see. So none got sick. I have used it for years and I'd know the faces who work there.

tritriagain

Skyfloater wrote: »

Was any reason given why we have to wait another two weeks until the 18th before building sites, garden centres and DIY stores open?
What quantifiable thing is supposed to happen between now and the 18th?

Dr. Leo said we're going to weaken the virus in that time.

[Deleted User]

Reinfection rate is less than 1. ICU is less than 100. Number of cases isn’t high, especially if you exclude nursing homes and medical staff.

Yet we’ll still have a form of lockdown for at least quarter of a year.

Baffling that we’re not reopening sooner and cocooning the elders.

I hope people will support the austerity as much as the lockdown, because we’ve gotta pay big for every day this drags on.

hmmm

Skyfloater wrote: »

Was any reason given why we have to wait another two weeks until the 18th before building sites, garden centres and DIY stores open?
What quantifiable thing is supposed to happen between now and the 18th?

We need to get the number of new cases low enough that we can manage them through testing & contact tracing. China used teams of 5 people to contact trace each individual case, it's a huge effort. We can't contact trace hundreds of new cases every day, it will hopefully fall considerably in the next 2 weeks.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Reinfection rate is less than 1. ICU is less than 100. Number of cases isn’t high, especially if you exclude nursing homes and medical staff.

Yet we’ll still have a form of lockdown for at least quarter of a year.

Baffling that we’re not reopening sooner and cocooning the elders.

I hope people will support the austerity as much as the lockdown, because we’ve gotta pay big for every day this drags on.

It’s the lack of it being challenged in the mainstream is what I can’t understand. The timeline seems to have swallowed up wholesale by most in the public eye. Nobody seems to be questioning why TF we have three more months of this ahead of us while the rest of Europe is lifting restrictions left right and centre. A few more weeks, yeah grand. Three more months being dragged out while the rest of the world is moving on is fcuking torturous and nonsensical

[Deleted User]

SNNUS wrote: »

Just an observation but, I have not heard of any supermarket closing because of a COVID19 outbreak. I would have thought at the start of this that this would happen a lot as the supermarkets are the place you would think would be most risky due to amount of people etc and that it could make all staff isolate if it did happen.

None here that I know of, but there was a Lidl in the UK that an outbreak last Friday. It has opened again.

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2020-05-04/middlesbrough-lidl-closes-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak/