Relaxation of restrictions Part II

drunkmonkey · 02-05-2020 01:23PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Nah Dr Tony has blood on his hands twice now. The inquest will be swift and brutal

Twice, I make it 3 times, Tá.

lawrencesummers · 02-05-2020 01:32PM

JL555 wrote: »

They're some good points you made there. Thankfully, I myself have not been ill that forced me to stay out of work for about 10 years and that was a severe tooth infection and can't remember the last time I had the flu.
Where I work, as with many companies, yearly bonus payments are linked to performance and attendance plays a big part, a couple of percent out and it means people could be down hundreds to over a grand in their bonus. Now what I always said to people was that this is a 'bonus' and we already get paid reasonably well, but you just can't legislate for stupid selfish people who bring all sorts of viruses into the workplace on a constant basis because they might be 'down' a few quid at the end of the year.

I disagree, I think you can and should legislate for illness by having people who show symptoms of illness prove their fitness to be in work. If there is a difference of opinion then WFH, The government can bring in sick pay cover, and legislate for employees bonuses not being affected for the first absences of less than 7 days.

But you need better testing for that to happen.

addaword · 02-05-2020 01:39PM

Ellie1988 wrote: »

When do people think weddings of +100 will be allowed? It isnt clear to me

Given drink is at weddings of 100+, and people of all ages inc 70+, and social distancing impossible, there will be no weddings of 100+ until a vaccine is found and widely available.

JRant · 02-05-2020 01:41PM

Ellie1988 wrote: »

When do people think weddings of +100 will be allowed? It isnt clear to me

You'd be better off looking to have it abroad at this stage. NPHET don't seem to want people to congregate in numbers you can't count on one hand till at least the middle of August

drunkmonkey · 02-05-2020 01:42PM

addaword wrote: »

Given drink is at weddings of 100+, and people of all ages inc 70+, and social distancing impossible, there will be no weddings of 100+ until a vaccine is found and widely available.

Or nobody over 60 at the wedding.... people aren't dropping dead in the streets from this. Loads of us might already have had it.

02-05-2020 01:46PM

VonLuck wrote: »

While I believe the travel restrictions are quite frustrating, I totally understand them. If you lifted them entirely you could get someone that is infected travelling to the other side of the country and spreading it to another area, forming another cluster. If it's within 2km/5km/20km, it's easier to manage, at least until contact tracing is up to scratch.

I think effective contact tracing in Ireland is a pipe dream. There was a detailed piece in the UK Times this morning about the contact tracing mobile phone app, being trialled in the Isle of Wight next week and intended to be rolled out across the UK in 3 - 4 weeks. It needs an 80% uptake to be effective, otherwise is just a gimmick of no value. if true (and it makes intuitive sense to me) there is zero chance of getting a high enough uptake of the app in Ireland to make it work (unless it is made mandatory, and AGS can check your phone)

poteen · 02-05-2020 01:46PM

addaword wrote: »

Given drink is at weddings of 100+, and people of all ages inc 70+, and social distancing impossible, there will be no weddings of 100+ until a vaccine is found and widely available.

Complete nonsense talk. I'd imagine from September onwards will start seeing gatherings. Lunatics talking about waiting for a vaccine. The wind is gone out of this lockdown business. The world is reopening but a minority would like to believe the apocalypse narrative.

stephenjmcd · 02-05-2020 01:47PM

addaword wrote: »

Given drink is at weddings of 100+, and people of all ages inc 70+, and social distancing impossible, there will be no weddings of 100+ until a vaccine is found and widely available.

No weddings until a vaccine... get a grip.

Supposing there isn't a vaccine no weddings forever is it ?

iamwhoiam · 02-05-2020 01:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Or nobody over 60 at the wedding.... people aren't dropping dead in the streets from this. Loads of us might already have had it.

That would mean a wedding with no parents most likely .Who would want that

setanta1984 · 02-05-2020 01:49PM

I felt a bit better after seeing the document last night, but thinking about it more, the more ludicrous the proposals are.

We're going to have the farcical situation at the start of June of watching Italy and Spain (in addition to all the other smaller countries), the countries where we were shown images of the apocalypse in hospitals etc. on the news with their bars, restaurants, museums, cinemas and theatres opening and attempting to get their lives working again, and here we'll be still unable to go more than 5km from home or see anyone?

How on earth can that be justified? What is so different here? It's completely backward relative to the impact on the respective countries.
Is the country really going to watch this on the news and think we're happy to wait another 2 and half months to get there?

hmmm · 02-05-2020 01:53PM

addaword wrote: »

Given drink is at weddings of 100+, and people of all ages inc 70+, and social distancing impossible, there will be no weddings of 100+ until a vaccine is found and widely available.

Agreed unfortunately. This virus spreads rapidly in indoor locations with lots of people mingling and talking. It's just the way it is.

You'll notice the government put a lot of things into the 5th group of measures. That 5th group is a catch-all group for things where there is no realistic way to allow them happen before a vaccine.

Even if large groups indoors are allowed, you'll find a lot of people uncomfortable about attending while a pandemic is underway.

hmmm · 02-05-2020 01:55PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

We're going to have the farcical situation at the start of June of watching Italy and Spain (in addition to all the other smaller countries), the countries where we were shown images of the apocalypse in hospitals etc. on the news with their bars, restaurants, museums, cinemas and theatres opening and attempting to get their lives working again, and here we'll be still unable to go more than 5km from home or see anyone?

How on earth can that be justified? What is so different here? It's completely backward relative to the impact on the respective countries.
Is the country really going to watch this on the news and think we're happy to wait another 2 and half months to get there?

This is a brand new virus, we don't know which measures are safe to introduce and which are not.

Let Italy and Sweden experiment with the health of their citizens. Our government is taking a more cautious approach. If the new incoming government wants to gamble with our health, let's see their proposal.

addaword · 02-05-2020 01:56PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No weddings until a vaccine... get a grip.

Supposing there isn't a vaccine no weddings forever is it ?

No weddings of 100+, with drink involved. That is because if just one person had the virus, which is very likely, they could and would spread it to dozens of other people, who would then spread it further. That is how we went from one case on Feb 29 to almost 21,000 cases now, despite lockdown.

Thank the Chinese for exporting it to us. I am just the messenger telling you the truth. I hate it just as much.

martingriff · 02-05-2020 01:57PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

I felt a bit better after seeing the document last night, but thinking about it more, the more ludicrous the proposals are.

We're going to have the farcical situation at the start of June of watching Italy and Spain (in addition to all the other smaller countries), the countries where we were shown images of the apocalypse in hospitals etc. on the news with their bars, restaurants, museums, cinemas and theatres opening and attempting to get their lives working again, and here we'll be still unable to go more than 5km from home or see anyone?

How on earth can that be justified? What is so different here? It's completely backward relative to the impact on the respective countries.
Is the country really going to watch this on the news and think we're happy to wait another 2 and half months to get there?

Well those places are starting there easing before us and are doing it in gradual steps so it stands to reason they be open before us plus bar culture is a lot different then ours. You hardly see the amount of standing space we have in bars in the continent it is mostly sitting

stephenjmcd · 02-05-2020 02:04PM

addaword wrote: »

No weddings of 100+, with drink involved. That is because if just one person had the virus, which is very likely, they could and would spread it to dozens of other people, who would then spread it further. That is how we went from one case on Feb 29 to almost 21,000 cases now, despite lockdown.

Thank the Chinese for exporting it to us. I am just the messenger telling you the truth. I hate it just as much.

Government will issue numbers for gatherings closer the time.
Completely unenforceable to say 99 people can have a wedding and a load of drink but oh no with 100 sorry that's out of the question. What difference does drink even matter if its 50 people or 150 people.

Hate to tell you life will be well back before a vaccine. I'll be back out enjoying myself and if people want to stay at home that's their call.

martingriff · 02-05-2020 02:08PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I know they’ve said they’ll have to go back a phase of the numbers are bad. But if the numbers are good, what are the chances they will push ahead with a phase a week or so early?

I think what Harris said while the time between a phase will not be hurried up parts within a phase may be move. So something now in phase 3 could be part of phase 2

bettyoleary · 02-05-2020 02:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You have to fill in a contact form at arrivals, detailing where you will be isolating for 14 days. If you google the form you’ll find it easily enough. Then there will be random checks, but I’ve seen no mention anywhere of what might be the penalties if you aren’t where you have stated that you will be

Well that is absolutely ridiculous. So when we have a 5k or 20 k restriction in Ireland someone is allowed to fly in from the UK or anywhere in Europe and isolate for two weeks and then travel how many ks to see relatives? I don't understand it. Why cant Irish people just isolate now then for 2weeks and then go and visit their relatives anywhere in Ireland?

hmmm · 02-05-2020 02:13PM

the kelt wrote: »

When we don’t know what the numbers are meant to be how can we know if they’re good or bad though?

Hospitalisations and ICU numbers will probably be the numbers they are mostly looking at. If they start to go up, we're losing control and will have to re-implement the most recently lifted restrictions. If they are stable or falling, we can move on to the next set of steps. Unfortunately it takes about 3 weeks to know whether a change is impacting on the number of people in hospital, that's just the way the virus behaves.

This is a giant experiment essentially, for every country.

We're going to look at other countries too and see how they are getting on. A few countries are letting very young children (<10) back to school.

JRant · 02-05-2020 02:14PM

martingriff wrote: »

I think what Harris said while the time between a phase will not be hurried up parts within a phase may be move. So something now in phase 3 could be part of phase 2

Harris also said that schools could be opened for one day a week before the summer and that we would have up to 15000 tests a day. If he told me the sun was shining outside I'd grab a Brolly.

lawrencesummers · 02-05-2020 02:17PM

JL555 wrote: »

They're some good points you made there. Thankfully, I myself have not been ill that forced me to stay out of work for about 10 years and that was a severe tooth infection and can't remember the last time I had the flu.
Where I work, as with many companies, yearly bonus payments are linked to performance and attendance plays a big part, a couple of percent out and it means people could be down hundreds to over a grand in their bonus. Now what I always said to people was that this is a 'bonus' and we already get paid reasonably well, but you just can't legislate for stupid selfish people who bring all sorts of viruses into the workplace on a constant basis because they might be 'down' a few quid at the end of the year.

I disagree, I think you can and should legislate for illness by having people who show symptoms of illness prove their fitness to be in work. If there is a difference of opinion then WFH, The government can bring in sick pay cover, and legislate for employees bonuses not being affected for the first absences of less than 7 days.

But you need better testing for that to happen.

lawrencesummers · 02-05-2020 02:19PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

That would mean a wedding with no parents most likely .Who would want that

Me.
You haven’t met my in-laws.

FintanMcluskey · 02-05-2020 02:20PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Or nobody over 60 at the wedding.... people aren't dropping dead in the streets from this. Loads of us might already have had it.

Its getting tiresome this bulls##t of new normal.
Life is going to continue when this nursing home virus gets numbers under control regardless of a vaccine or not.
We may need to head for the continent though for large gatherings as you suggest until the police state here gets called to heel

lawrencesummers · 02-05-2020 02:22PM

JRant wrote: »

Harris also said that schools could be opened for one day a week before the summer and that we would have up to 15000 tests a day. If he told me the sun was shining outside I'd grab a Brolly.

Are you sure that what he said?

Really sure? Or have you just heard something with no detail and run with it?

RugbyLad11 · 02-05-2020 02:23PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its getting tiresome some this bulls##t of new normal.
Life is going to continue when this nursing home virus gets numbers under control regardless of a vaccine or not.
We may need to head for the continent though for large gatherings as you suggest until the police state here gets called to heel

I'm thinking the same but aren't a lot of flights cancelled?

But I think flights to London airports are still operating so if you can get to London it would be easier to hop on a flight to the continent from there

FintanMcluskey · 02-05-2020 02:25PM

poteen wrote: »

The world is reopening but a minority would like to believe the apocalypse narrative.

Why are people echoing this sh#t? The same with that immunologist goon Luke O Neill who loves tv appearance's and the sound of his grim voice. He has been regularly discredited as being full of horsesh#t but continues to spout verbal diarrhoea when the cameras give him an opportunity . Some of these guys will be a great idea for a halloween costume come October

VonLuck · 02-05-2020 02:25PM

C__MC wrote: »

Wont be adhering to them after the 18th
If someone from Belfast can tip up to killarney and do what they like, myself as an irish citizen can travel where I want.
I have done my bit for the last 7 weeks and I will visit my family after the 18th whilst maintaining social distancing

That's just nonsensical. You're saying that because the Gardaí can't legally enforce any laws on those travelling from the north it makes all the restrictions in the Republic null and void and you should be allowed to do what you want?

drunkmonkey · 02-05-2020 02:32PM

FintanMcluskey · 02-05-2020 02:47PM

hmmm wrote: »

Let Italy and Sweden experiment with the health of their citizens. Our government is taking a more cautious approach.

Let Italy and Sweden experiment with a functioning economic policy to maintain health and social standards in the future.
Meanwhile, when we dont have funds to provide a healthcare service by September we can wonder if the cautious approach was worth it, within 5km of our homes of course

NegativeCreep · 02-05-2020 02:49PM

hmmm wrote: »

Hospitalisations and ICU numbers will probably be the numbers they are mostly looking at. If they start to go up, we're losing control and will have to re-implement the most recently lifted restrictions. If they are stable or falling, we can move on to the next set of steps. Unfortunately it takes about 3 weeks to know whether a change is impacting on the number of people in hospital, that's just the way the virus behaves.

This is a giant experiment essentially, for every country.

We're going to look at other countries too and see how they are getting on. A few countries are letting very young children (<10) back to school.

I love how you write your posts like you’re some sort of expert when you clearly don’t know any better than the rest of us.

Cases are obviously going to increase as restrictions loosen, they won’t remain stable. We’ll have to be prepared for that and as long as they don’t go too high, there’d be no reason to go back to earlier restrictions.

joseywhales · 02-05-2020 02:51PM

I like this, we are now trying to bargain with a virus, that is not even living let alone concious. The virus will infect and kill irrespective how long we have been on lockdown. The only way I am confident the death toll wont spike on total restriction relaxation is if we can prove that 30%+ people have already been infected. Then at least it will not be as deadly as previously imagined and more people will be resistant to re-infection. Nothing has changed in the past two months.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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