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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #5582
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Whatever about lifting of restrictions... a lot of hospital wards are full of elderly patients who should have been released back to nursing homes, but because the Government has basically let the virus run rampant in the private homes they can't release people back home....


    No restrictions will be lifted tomorrow:
    One minister said the briefing had “no good news” with another describing it as “very grim”.

    Sources said Holohan indicated there would be no easing of restrictions tomorrow.


  • #5583
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    alwald wrote: »
    The government/HSE need a couple of weeks to secure a 100K tests a week and reduce the R0 further. Any further restrictions should be adhered to by all, no exception.
    One way to enforce the restrictions is to stop any type of social welfare benefit to anyone breaking the rules...why should 95% of people risk having these restrictions extended because of a bunch of anti lockdown restriction merchants?
    You could also add in there industries who are flouting the distancing rules because they are putting low payed workers at risk and thus their families and creating new community clusters ie the meat factory. Whats happening to these people.


  • #5584
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    martingriff wrote: »
    Nope

    From the NHS:

    End of life care is support for people who are in the last months or years of their life.

    End of life care should help you to live as well as possible until you die and to die with dignity. The people providing your care should ask you about your wishes and preferences, and take these into account as they work with you to plan your care. They should also support your family, carers or other people who are important to you.

    You have the right to express your wishes about where you would like to receive care and where you want to die. You can receive end of life care at home, or in care homes, hospices or hospitals, depending on your needs and preference.

    People who are approaching the end of life are entitled to high-quality care, wherever they're being cared for. Find out what to expect from end of life care.


  • #5585
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    martingriff wrote: »
    What the hell is an end of life patient

    We die at some point. Take any day of the week and its a fate about 1800 people face in Ireland and the UK. So end of life is when someone is near that point


  • #5586
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Nope - I'll say it again, Dr. Cillian De Gasgun said testing capability will have no bearing on easing of restrictions.

    R0 at 0.5 to 0.8 currently. What are they waiting for?

    Yes testing is key to avoid clusters once the restrictions are eased.
    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Thanks for that.
    One question, if the testing hasnt increased any near that level in nearly 3 months, how long will is it going to take to reach 100k tests?

    Ask Holohan/Harris that question on Twitter if you want an answer
    bettyoleary wrote: »
    You could also add in there industries who are flouting the distancing rules because they are putting low payed workers at risk and thus their families and creating new community clusters ie the meat factory. Whats happening to these people.

    The staff should sue these companies


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  • #5587
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No figures exist for real time in hospital. 20k cases are since March. This is primarily affecting terminally ill and end of life. Seasonal influenza effects young people in fare greater numbers. We have no evidence lockdown works.
    Your sign of statement is ironic tbh

    Incorrect. Hospital stats are available on review for each day. With all statistics measured at midnight and given for the previous days. See example here

    Again incorrect. The numbers affected are divided across age ranges and include both young and old.

    And by that I mean affected and not just deaths. See my previous posts for details if you missed that. We have significant evidence from China, Italy nd other countries that restrictions are effective. Not sure why you chose to deny that tbh.


  • #5588
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Not the new car buying experience most people would bother with on the news there lol


  • #5589
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    alwald wrote: »
    The government/HSE need a couple of weeks to secure a 100K tests a week and reduce the R0 further. Any further restrictions should be adhered to by all, no exception.
    One way to enforce the restrictions is to stop any type of social welfare benefit to anyone breaking the rules...why should 95% of people risk having these restrictions extended because of a bunch of anti lockdown restriction merchants?

    Fcuk them, they have had enough time.

    And Leo confirmed in the dail today that it is a lockdown.


  • #5590
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    easypazz wrote: »
    From the NHS:

    End of life care is support for people who are in the last months or years of their life.

    End of life care should help you to live as well as possible until you die and to die with dignity. The people providing your care should ask you about your wishes and preferences, and take these into account as they work with you to plan your care. They should also support your family, carers or other people who are important to you.

    You have the right to express your wishes about where you would like to receive care and where you want to die. You can receive end of life care at home, or in care homes, hospices or hospitals, depending on your needs and preference.

    People who are approaching the end of life are entitled to high-quality care, wherever they're being cared for. Find out what to expect from end of life care.

    I was thinking it was people over a certain age not patients that were close to end of the years due to conditions they have. Thanks for that
    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    We die at some point. Take any day of the week and its a fate about 1800 people face in Ireland and the UK. So end of life is when someone is near that point

    I was suspecting it was a lot stricter then that


  • #5591
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    gozunda wrote: »
    Incorrect. Hospital stats are available on review for each day.
    All statistics measured at midnight and given for the previous days. See example here

    Again incorrect. The numbers affected are divided across age ranges and include both young and old.

    And by that I mean affected and not just deaths. See my previous posts for details if you missed that. We have significant evidence from China, Italy nd other countries that restrictions are effective. Not sure why you chose to deny that tbh.

    -The 1st point is written proof of lack of credibility. The link is total cases as in 20k so that is not real time cases. Real time as in active cases.

    -No its primarily old people and those near the end of life.

    -What evidence exists to show the effectiveness of restrictions? Harris today once again claimed that 3500 people had been saved here and again referenced completely flawed models


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  • #5592
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Like I said fcuk them.

    Tánaiste Simon Coveney was contacted directly by Keelings before the company flew 189 seasonal workers in from Bulgaria during the Covid-19 lockdown, Independent.ie has confirmed.


  • #5593
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    easypazz wrote: »
    Fcuk them, they have had enough time.

    And Leo confirmed in the dail today that it is a lockdown.

    We have one of the highest number of testing per 1M in the EU and more time is needed to ramp up and they will get the extra time.


  • #5594
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    gozunda wrote: »
    Incorrect. Hospital stats are available on review for each day.
    All statistics measured at midnight and given for the previous days. See example here

    Again incorrect. The numbers affected are divided across age ranges and include both young and old.

    And by that I mean affected and not just deaths. See my previous posts for details if you missed that. We have significant evidence from China, Italy nd other countries that restrictions are effective. Not sure why you chose to deny that tbh.

    We have approx 40 people being hospitalised daily, currently. Resulting in maybe 60 deaths per week.

    Restrictions are effective, no question, but- do they continue to be effective indefinitely? At what point do you think they should begin to be lifted in carefully measured stages?


  • #5595
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    We have significant evidence from China, Italy nd other countries that restrictions are effective. Not sure why you chose to deny that tbh.

    We do not.

    The deaths that occurred are set, not against a control group, but against dreams of projected deaths.

    An analysis would have to explain why countries which didn’t have lockdowns, or only modest ones, didn't see the spike in deaths which were predicted.

    Lockdown is an untested hypothesis. That is a banal fact of science.


  • #5596
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    They still won't be near 100,000 tests a week

    We've been talking about that since March

    "Minister for Health Simon Harris has said it is impossible to predict when 15,000 Covid-19 tests a day will be carried out, but he believes it will happen in the next few days."

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/

    That was on the 19th of March

    Did you miss this one, alwald? Still happy to give the government another couple of weeks?


  • #5597
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    alwald wrote: »
    We have one of the highest number of testing per 1M in the EU and more time is needed to ramp up and they will get the extra time.

    Thats great to hear. They have plenty of people to test considering how good a job they have done spreading the disease.


  • #5598
    Jan Blomqvist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭Jan Blomqvist


    easypazz wrote: »
    Like I said fcuk them.

    Tánaiste Simon Coveney was contacted directly by Keelings before the company flew 189 seasonal workers in from Bulgaria during the Covid-19 lockdown, Independent.ie has confirmed.

    Meanwhile on the 17th April

    Leo Varadkar “I share the discomfort expressed by the chief medical officer about the report of a large number of people coming to Ireland earlier this week to work in the horticulture sector.


  • #5599
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    sterz wrote: »
    Did you miss this one, alwald? Still happy to give the government another couple of weeks?
    easypazz wrote: »
    Like I said fcuk them.

    Tánaiste Simon Coveney was contacted directly by Keelings before the company flew 189 seasonal workers in from Bulgaria during the Covid-19 lockdown, Independent.ie has confirmed.

    Heads will have to roll after this. Putin has better leadership skills.


  • #5600
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    easypazz wrote: »
    Thats great to hear. They have plenty of people to test considering how good a job they have done spreading the disease.

    Are you talking about medical staff and nursing homes? If yes then how many EU countries managed that better??


  • #5601
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    sterz wrote: »
    Did you miss this one, alwald? Still happy to give the government another couple of weeks?

    Yes more time is needed knowing the worldwide shortage of the necessary equipment.


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  • #5602
    JayRoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Stark wrote: »
    Tell that to the Gardaí. Interpretation is that you're strictly confined to 2km for exercise and allowed to go outside the 2km but only for "essential travel". So you're allowed go over 2km if you don't have a shop nearby or have essential work to go for but not much else.

    Yes. Exactly my point.

    I don't know why people keep bringing up 2km in relation to anything other than their daily exercise. It's infuriating


  • #5603
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    When it’s being put ahead of people’s health where the risks are simply fatal then YES it is greedy.
    I missed this earlier. How long will it take before people realise this isnt a death sentence? The public broadcaster has done such a disservice to what was once a prosperous welcoming nation. Ivan Yates for Taoiseach, Charlie Bird minister for realism


  • #5604
    uli84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭uli84


    Even Boris J is making more sense than the Irish team ;)

    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-30/government-daily-coronavirus-press-conference-boris-johnson-returns/

    Anyone else finding messages given to the public in Ireland very pessimistic? I can’t actually stand it, feel so depressed, read the above and I felt better even tho I don’t live in the UK obviously


  • #5605
    rubbledoubledo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭rubbledoubledo


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    You could also add in there industries who are flouting the distancing rules because they are putting low payed workers at risk and thus their families and creating new community clusters ie the meat factory. Whats happening to these people.

    Very good point.
    I have seen the lines in meat factories, shoulder to shoulder.
    All foreign low paid workers.
    Would love to see a camera visit these premises and see are the rules being applied


  • #5606
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I missed this earlier. How long will it take before people realise this isnt a death sentence? The public broadcaster has done such a disservice to what was once a prosperous welcoming nation. Ivan Yates for Taoiseach, Charlie Bird minister for realism

    Tell that to the families of the deceased.


  • #5607
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    They still won't be near 100,000 tests a week

    We've been talking about that since March

    "Minister for Health Simon Harris has said it is impossible to predict when 15,000 Covid-19 tests a day will be carried out, but he believes it will happen in the next few days."

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/

    That was on the 19th of March

    Someone involved in testing in UCD has suggested they are currently ramping up to 15k a day. ( this wasy today).


  • #5608
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    uli84 wrote: »
    Even Boris J is making more sense than the Irish team ;)

    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-30/government-daily-coronavirus-press-conference-boris-johnson-returns/

    Well done Borris.
    Meanwhile in Ireland, A Dr who ignored orders to resign 2 years ago due to a cover up of a health scandal, which would be considered gross misconduct in any other position, is holding Ireland to a further 4 week ransom. He has yet again ignored orders from other ministers who say the restrictions have crippled Ireland into a depression. How is this guy holding us to ransom? How has he power? This is the only country in the world with no plan for relaxing restrictions in the next week or so, and we are being held in a police state this guy? 12 or 13 weeks, in a police state and a country in depression and hes responsible for it


  • #5609
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Tell that to the families of the deceased.

    Now is not the time to be spelling out the harsh reality of the situation to these people.

    How insensitive of you.


  • #5610
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Tell that to the families of the deceased.

    Stop with the emotional manipulation, there is families of deceased weather or not restrictions are in place


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  • #5611
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    rubbledoubledo wrote: »
    Very good point.
    I have seen the lines in meat factories, shoulder to shoulder.
    All foreign low paid workers.
    Would love to see a camera visit these premises and see are the rules being applied
    Well their not are they obviously. What they are doing is major deals with Germany for Irish meat so its all hush hush. Same with Keelings. Get on with the job lads or go and its being ignored. Meanwhile SME's are struggling to keep their businesses afloat and trying to protect their staff and comply with the rules when they are allowed open. Its outrageous the carry on


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