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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #5552
    OkeyDoke12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭OkeyDoke12


    What are the chances of the 2km restriction being abolished completely tomorrow?

    I have family who live 60km away who I haven't seen since lockdown began.


  • #5553
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Also - consider figure of 40 per day being hospitalised with Covid-19 as reported, worst case estimates from UK are 33% of those hospitalised result in death. Death rate is lower here, but for example if you take 20% of those hospitalised won't survive - that's 56 deaths per week:confused:

    Enough for an economy to grind to a halt?


  • #5554
    NewRed2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 999 ✭✭✭NewRed2


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    That’s not what I posted, but don’t let accuracy cloud your mis placed rage.

    It was exactly what you posted. And others saw it too and it got reported.


  • #5555
    Nickindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Most definitely there is more to this than we are being told. I believe NPHET have decided their policies are reasonably closely aligned with an eradication policy and that they are going for eradication. Disappointingly they have decided not to bring the rest of us in on the plan.

    A document was presented to NPHET on 10th April asking them to consider an eradication plan rather than current plan of suppression, and flattening of curve, (likely by McConkey). But this plan as pointed out by another poster here relies on All-Ireland compliance, which needs more time.

    Can't at this point think of any other reason they want to buy more time with so much resistance from general population, along with a strong cohort of 'opposition' politicians voicing dissatisfaction with keeping the economy closed.

    The goal posts have been changed. The medical advisors are supposed to be advisors but from what i can see now they are dictating this.


  • #5556
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    OkeyDoke12 wrote: »
    What are the chances of the 2km restriction being abolished completely tomorrow?

    I have family who live 60km away who I haven't seen since lockdown began.

    I would love it but I honestly don't see it happening.

    But your mental health is more important! If it's not abolished next week then see your family anyway.


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  • #5557
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    NewRed2 wrote: »
    It was exactly what you posted. And others saw it too and it got reported.

    Double down on being wrong.
    That’s always a smart move.

    Good for you reporting the post. It was a waste of your time because it’s still up, and if you read it properly this time you might understand it.


  • #5558
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I can see a need for an emergency budget to be brought in. They’ll be looking to tax the hell out of people still working to help pay for this lockdown and the Covid payments.

    Everyone in the country is going to be screaming for funds that are just simply no longer available.

    The banks will need a bailout if too many go on pay holidays and can’t pay.

    The fallout will kill many more than Covid.

    I can see some serious carnage and chaos kicking off if things don’t change very soon. Possibly protests or just complete unrest and the gards won’t cope.

    We’re literally pissing away the future of the country when we should be just looking to protect the elders. Tell them to cocoon.

    You do know its not just the elders. Its people with underlying health issues, its workers who works with these people, its people who live with these people. Not forgetting the elders who were acting as child carers we will have to see how we can help with that.

    I agree we need to ease restrictions soon. I would have hoped May 5th, I think something will happen like construction will open.


  • #5559
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭prunudo


    OkeyDoke12 wrote: »
    What are the chances of the 2km restriction being abolished completely tomorrow?

    I have family who live 60km away who I haven't seen since lockdown began.


    Very unlikely and going by some reports could be a long time before its lifted.
    Personally if it was me I'd be weighing up the options of breaking the rules to see them but keep social distancing rules when you get there.


  • #5560
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Nickindublin wrote: »
    The goal posts have been changed. The medical advisors are supposed to be advisors but from what i can see now they are dictating this.

    They've made a balls of it and won't admit it, hopefully the media start to grow a pair.

    This could turn into another water charges type fiasco for FG.


  • #5561
    nj27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    dashdoll wrote: »
    How long do people reckon tommorrows extension will be because lets face it, what we are getting is going to be an extension in all but name. While I'm so mindful and worried about the health implications, I am financially CRIPPLED and need to go back to work. I'm more stressed about losing the roof over my head and going into massive debt again like before again to be honest.

    Two weeks followed by another review would be my guess. God knows what they'll announce circa May 15th!


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  • #5562
    dalyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    peasant wrote: »
    Wouldn't that be lovely if he were right.
    But we don't know (yet) because ...no test.
    And until we can know, I can't see much wrong with being cautious, just in case he isn't right

    Agreed that it’d be lovely alright however I disagree with the being cautious. Every cautious day that goes by is endangering our societal , economical, cultural and personal financial health. Never mind our mental and physical and medical health. I get the image of every day that goes by is like a grave digger throwing another shovel of dirt on our heads.


  • #5563
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    dashdoll wrote: »
    How long do people reckon tommorrows extension will be because lets face it, what we are getting is going to be an extension in all but name. While I'm so mindful and worried about the health implications, I am financially CRIPPLED and need to go back to work. I'm more stressed about losing the roof over my head and going into massive debt again like before again to be honest.

    2 week extension, maybe some gradual easing tomorrow I think their mindful they need to give a tiny bit tomorrow and see what way were looking in 2 weeks, if all ok a future easing, it'll be gradual what ever it is, Tony was asked this evening what measure of relaxing there most concerned about, he dodged the question, he mentioned retail but that was more for discussion rather that saying it's retail.
    We're still getting cases with limited retail open I'd say it is a concern as those new cases must be coming from somewhere.
    Not sure what industry your in, some won't be back for a good while.


  • #5564
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    easypazz wrote: »
    ~1 million people on some sort of welfare crutch because of this, you can't see much wrong?

    that was always going to happen, in some shape or form ...this bloody virus is global, so is the economic sh1tshow
    EUROPE ECONOMY
    Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html


  • #5565
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Is England’s Lockdown Racking Up The Bodies?
    The deaths were not, officials say, coronavirus deaths. They were therefore other deaths.

    They must have been unusual deaths, in the sense they occurred with unexpected frequency. Something must have caused them. What else is there but the lockdown? Well, that’s not a proof, of course, but the burden of proof is on those who would defend the lockdown.

    What are those other deaths? Looking at the breakdowns by age (not shown), most of the spike in all deaths comes from those north of 60, both male and female, with stronger signals increasing with age, on average. Usually, people this age are dying from cancer and heart disease (strokes, CHF, MIs, and so on). Are these people not seeking medical treatment as usual? People being turned away? Stress, panic, and fear increased? Suicides?
    Naturally, officials, realizing the importance of an analysis like this, might go back, like our Yale professors, and claim retroactively that the bodies in the secondary spike are all also coronavirus deaths. But that doesn’t solve the problem, because then, given the absence of spikes in places without lockdowns, it looks like the lockdowns might be responsible for extra corona deaths.


  • #5566
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    OkeyDoke12 wrote: »
    What are the chances of the 2km restriction being abolished completely tomorrow?

    I have family who live 60km away who I haven't seen since lockdown began.

    None would be my opinion

    I'd be shocked if they touch the 2km at all


  • #5567
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I can see a need for an emergency budget to be brought in. They’ll be looking to tax the hell out of people still working to help pay for this lockdown and the Covid payments.

    Everyone in the country is going to be screaming for funds that are just simply no longer available.

    The banks will need a bailout if too many go on pay holidays and can’t pay.

    The fallout will kill many more than Covid.

    I can see some serious carnage and chaos kicking off if things don’t change very soon. Possibly protests or just complete unrest and the gards won’t cope.

    We’re literally pissing away the future of the country when we should be just looking to protect the elders. Tell them to cocoon.

    The level of delusion is startling alright. People saying what’s another month or two?
    Rte et al with their “wash your hands” bollox. Virtually only one calling out the madness is Ivan Yates.
    We’ve a weak finance minister drowned out by the other PR opp clowns


  • #5568
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Yes. And the stark reality is the most are risk are end of life patients.

    What the hell is an end of life patient


  • #5569
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    martingriff wrote: »
    What the hell is an end of life patient

    Should be self explanatory.


  • #5570
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I’ll wait and see what they come out with tomorrow. There will be some gradual easing of restrictions, and bit by bit it will be incremental.

    Much as I would really like to return to a pre Covid life on Tuesday, it’s unrealistic.


  • #5571
    JayRoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    OkeyDoke12 wrote: »
    What are the chances of the 2km restriction being abolished completely tomorrow?

    I have family who live 60km away who I haven't seen since lockdown began.

    The 2km limit is for exercise.


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  • #5572
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭prunudo


    road_high wrote: »
    The level of delusion is startling alright. People saying what’s another month or two?
    Rte et al with their “wash your hands” bollox. Virtually only one calling out the madness is Ivan Yates.
    We’ve a weak finance minister drowned out by the other PR opp clowns

    Not only that but theres been a few cases of rte staff who got covid and are now back at work. On one hand they're telling us how serious it is yet Claire Byrne and Tubs were barely missing for 2 weeks.
    We know which it is but they're thriving off the fear mongering in Montrose.


  • #5573
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Why is posting here at the moment like walking through sludge?

    Been like that all day, crawling.


  • #5574
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I’ll wait and see what they come out with tomorrow. There will be some gradual easing of restrictions, and bit by bit it will be incremental.

    Much as I would really like to return to a pre Covid life on Tuesday, it’s unrealistic.

    Pre Covid life will be 2021 I think.


  • #5575
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    The government/HSE need a couple of weeks to secure a 100K tests a week and reduce the R0 further. Any further restrictions should be adhered to by all, no exception.
    One way to enforce the restrictions is to stop any type of social welfare benefit to anyone breaking the rules...why should 95% of people risk having these restrictions extended because of a bunch of anti lockdown restriction merchants?


  • #5576
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,173 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    JayRoc wrote: »
    The 2km limit is for exercise.

    Tell that to the Gardaí. Interpretation is that you're strictly confined to 2km for exercise and allowed to go outside the 2km but only for "essential travel". So you're allowed go over 2km if you don't have a shop nearby or have essential work to go for but not much else.


  • #5577
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    easypazz wrote: »
    Should be self explanatory.

    Nope


  • #5578
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    alwald wrote: »
    The government/HSE need a couple of weeks to secure a 100K tests a week and reduce the R0 further. Any further restrictions should be adhered to by all, no exception.
    One way to enforce the restrictions is to stop any type of social welfare benefit to anyone breaking the rules...why should 95% of people risk having these restrictions extended because of a bunch of anti lockdown restrictions merchants?

    Nope - I'll say it again, Dr. Cillian De Gasgun said testing capability will have no bearing on easing of restrictions.

    R0 at 0.5 to 0.8 currently. What are they waiting for?


  • #5579
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    alwald wrote: »
    The government/HSE need a couple of weeks to secure a 100K tests a week and reduce the R0 further. Any further restrictions should be adhered to by all, no exception.
    One way to enforce the restrictions is to stop any type of social welfare benefit to anyone breaking the rules...why should 95% of people risk having these restrictions extended because of a bunch of anti lockdown restrictions merchants?
    Thanks for that.
    One question, if the testing hasnt increased any near that level in nearly 3 months, how long will is it going to take to reach 100k tests?


  • #5580
    Jan Blomqvist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 ✭Jan Blomqvist


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Why is posting here at the moment like walking through sludge?

    Been like that all day, crawling.

    Poor quality of posts


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  • #5581
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    They still won't be near 100,000 tests a week

    We've been talking about that since March

    "Minister for Health Simon Harris has said it is impossible to predict when 15,000 Covid-19 tests a day will be carried out, but he believes it will happen in the next few days."

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/

    That was on the 19th of March


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