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John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

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  • #932
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Why should it be vacant?
    If I buy a property tomorrow I decide when I live I it........2days a year or 365 days . My business and nobody else’s.


    What exactly was the drone for? I havent seen anything about this


  • #933
    Ethereal Cereal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Ethereal Cereal


    walshb wrote: »
    Exactly

    Some of the nonsense and garbage spouted from these eco warrior type civil liberty nuts...

    Espousing this utterly unmanageable and out of control ideal that we should all be free to pick and choose what we agree and disagree with...

    They are anarchists......masquerading as saviors....

    The very same people be banging down the doors of the cop shops at the slightest bit of trouble that comes "their" way.

    yea, ok :rolleyes:
    One of these things is not like the other, can you tell?


  • #934
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,307 ✭✭✭Allinall


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Why should it be vacant?
    If I buy a property tomorrow I decide when I live I it........2days a year or 365 days . My business and nobody else’s.

    Not according to the law of the land.


  • #935
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Sorry I can't find anything on drone been used? can someone point me to what you are talking about?


  • #936
    fatalll
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭fatalll


    rusty cole wrote: »
    I saw that last night on RTE 1, drones FFS. They also used seismology and your friendly neighborhood Apple to track travel last week.. That is very untrustworthy in my opinion and I for one wont be getting a bloody contact tracing app!
    Well if you have a smart phone of any sort, you are already traced, because you agreed to the terms when you started the phone for the first time and most apps want access to stuff they shouldnt need but unless you dont acccept but the particularr app wont install then.


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  • #937
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    All phones can be tracked, any google device/windows etc are all tracked. Bit late in the day to be complaining about been tracked.

    Even all my Alexa devices are listening in, me roaring at kids to get out the door!! all valuable information.....


  • #938
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    rusty cole wrote: »
    I saw that last night on RTE 1, drones FFS. They also used seismology and your friendly neighborhood Apple to track travel last week.. That is very untrustworthy in my opinion and I for one wont be getting a bloody contact tracing app!

    Better bin your phone now if your worried about being tracked.


  • #939
    BENDYBINN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    bush wrote: »
    Better bin your phone now if your worried about being tracked.

    In fairness a drone hovering round your house is taking tracking to a new level...


  • #940
    dan1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    In fairness a drone hovering round your house is taking tracking to a new level...

    Empty holiday home.


  • #941
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    In fairness a drone hovering round your house is taking tracking to a new level...

    "In fairness"(*), that isn't happening, so you're grand.

    What did happen is one county council apparently used a drone to check on levels of activity in holiday home/caravan park developments. Presumably they'll be back to check on the level of activity over the BH weekend. And on to the cops to say "Hey, there's a load of people in X place who weren't there last week."

    Which would be evidence of unnecessary travel. Which would be in breach of the temporary law brought in to protect you and your loved ones - a point you seem to be missing.

    (*) Starting a post with "In fairness" or ending it with "case closed!" does not mean you win the argument, despite what people online seem to think.

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  • #942
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    "In fairness"(*), that isn't happening, so you're grand.

    What did happen is one county council apparently used a drone to check on levels of activity in holiday home/caravan park developments. Presumably they'll be back to check on the level of activity over the BH weekend. And on to the cops to say "Hey, there's a load of people in X place who weren't there last week."

    Which would be evidence of unnecessary travel. Which would be in breach of the temporary law brought in to protect you and your loved ones - a point you seem to be missing.

    (*) Starting a post with "In fairness" or ending it with "case closed!" does not mean you win the argument, despite what people online seem to think.


    Has it happened, the only thing I seen was a Sun article that said they could use drones. Nothing that they are actually using them


  • #943
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Has it happened, the only thing I seen was a Sun article that said they could use drones. Nothing that they are actually using them

    It showed it happening on Rte news yesterday.


  • #944
    Mrs Shuttleworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    "In fairness"(*), that isn't happening, so you're grand.

    What did happen is one county council apparently used a drone to check on levels of activity in holiday home/caravan park developments. Presumably they'll be back to check on the level of activity over the BH weekend. And on to the cops to say "Hey, there's a load of people in X place who weren't there last week."

    Which would be evidence of unnecessary travel. Which would be in breach of the temporary law brought in to protect you and your loved ones - a point you seem to be missing.

    (*) Starting a post with "In fairness" or ending it with "case closed!" does not mean you win the argument, despite what people online seem to think.

    And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

    Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.


  • #945
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »
    And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

    Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

    What are the laws for if not public health?


  • #946
    brightspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »
    And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

    Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

    Many laws when initially legislated have loop holes, that doesn't mean that the intent of the legislation is wrong.
    Time was obviously critical in producing this legislation, better to have it cover 90% of circumstances than none.

    What other reason could there be for the legislation?


  • #947
    BENDYBINN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Who decides a house is a “holiday home”?
    The local nosey Parker, maybe Mr twitchy curtains?
    Do people go round lookin in windows and takin notes?


  • #948
    Edgarfrndly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭Edgarfrndly


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Who decides a house is a “holiday home”?
    The local nosey Parker, maybe Mr twitchy curtains?
    Do people go round lookin in windows and takin notes?

    Somewhere that's not your place of residence for the majority of the year, probably.


  • #949
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭plodder


    Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »
    And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

    Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.
    The Simon Harris regulation has to work with the confines of the law passed by the Oireachtas, and that can't be fixed until we get a new government. They knew this apparently when drafting the regulation, but it was overlooked when they drafted the legislation. Nothing can be done about it until there is a new Seanad able to pass new primary legislation.


  • #950
    rosser44
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭rosser44


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Who decides a house is a “holiday home”?
    The local nosey Parker, maybe Mr twitchy curtains?
    Do people go round lookin in windows and takin notes?

    Do you own a house? Because if you did you would know the answer to the question.

    Its the house you normally live in.

    You decide if a house is a holiday home, when you declare a property your principle private residence for capital gains tax.


  • #951
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    What are the laws for if not public health?

    Because tyranny!

    (Or something.)


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  • #952
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »
    And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

    Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

    This isn't the conspiracy forum :rolleyes:


  • #953
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    gooseygander wrote: »
    Level headed my ass, he must be bat **** crazy to stand beside or be associated with that deluded, unstable, abusive, racist woman. She needs medical help and he must be not far from needing it also because if he was level headed he would kick her to the kerb faster that you can say “I am your master”.

    But do you not think he has made valid points in the past about family-law courts and the way in which separated parents have been treated?


  • #954
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    political analyst wrote: »
    But do you not think he has made valid points in the past about family-law courts and the way in which separated parents have been treated?

    I believe he has, but I don't see the connection between that and this.


  • #955
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    storker wrote: »
    I believe he has, but I don't see the connection between that and this.

    It means he has more credibility than O'Doherty, who only started making derogatory remarks about travellers after Peter Casey was doing well in the opinion polls before the presidential election.


  • #956
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    political analyst wrote: »
    It means he has more credibility than O'Doherty, who only started making derogatory remarks about travellers after Peter Casey was doing well in the opinion polls before the presidential election.

    I don't see how that gives him a pass.If he had any credibility resulting from that single issue, I'd say he's just tossed it overboard.


  • #957
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Who decides a house is a “holiday home”?
    The local nosey Parker, maybe Mr twitchy curtains?
    Do people go round lookin in windows and takin notes?

    Revenue.

    Well - you, in conjunction with Revenue. You are paying your LPT and/or tax on your rental income on this holiday home of yours, yeah?

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  • #958
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »
    Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

    Ok, then, I'll bite. What are these laws for, then?

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  • #959
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    It's kind of irrelavent which house / caravan you consider home , if you were there when this kerfuffle started ,you're supposed to stay there ... So if your "home address" is by the beach In Kerry but youre still in your city pad in Dublin ... You should stay in Dublin ..( and vice versa ) according to the garda commissioner a couple of weeks back .

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #960
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Jesus. Has anyone seen the clip of Gemma on youtube being an rude entitled ignoramus to a Guard. Unbelievably this delusional creature put up the clip herself. Some more able than me should copy it on here.

    What an absolutely vile creature

    And her silly court case is shunted to the top of the list as people die trying to protect us.

    A toxic self obsessed viper


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  • #961
    swarlb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭swarlb


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Jesus. Has anyone seen the clip of Gemma on youtube being an rude entitled ignoramus to a Guard. Unbelievably this delusional creature put up the clip herself. Some more able than me should copy it on here.

    What an absolutely vile creature

    And her silly court case is shunted to the top of the list as people die trying to protect us.

    A toxic self obsessed viper


    Have you not read the original post.... ??


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