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John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

Long_Wave

Now I know they are going to get a lot of ridicule for this but the lockdown is almost certainly unconstitutional so I wish them luck. https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1250421661062459399

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Shefwedfan

Sorry I can't find anything on drone been used? can someone point me to what you are talking about?

fatalll

rusty cole wrote: »

I saw that last night on RTE 1, drones FFS. They also used seismology and your friendly neighborhood Apple to track travel last week.. That is very untrustworthy in my opinion and I for one wont be getting a bloody contact tracing app!

Well if you have a smart phone of any sort, you are already traced, because you agreed to the terms when you started the phone for the first time and most apps want access to stuff they shouldnt need but unless you dont acccept but the particularr app wont install then.

Shefwedfan

All phones can be tracked, any google device/windows etc are all tracked. Bit late in the day to be complaining about been tracked.

Even all my Alexa devices are listening in, me roaring at kids to get out the door!! all valuable information.....

bush

rusty cole wrote: »

I saw that last night on RTE 1, drones FFS. They also used seismology and your friendly neighborhood Apple to track travel last week.. That is very untrustworthy in my opinion and I for one wont be getting a bloody contact tracing app!

Better bin your phone now if your worried about being tracked.

BENDYBINN

bush wrote: »

Better bin your phone now if your worried about being tracked.

In fairness a drone hovering round your house is taking tracking to a new level...

dan1895

BENDYBINN wrote: »

In fairness a drone hovering round your house is taking tracking to a new level...

Empty holiday home.

TaurenDruid

BENDYBINN wrote: »

In fairness a drone hovering round your house is taking tracking to a new level...

"In fairness"(*), that isn't happening, so you're grand.

What did happen is one county council apparently used a drone to check on levels of activity in holiday home/caravan park developments. Presumably they'll be back to check on the level of activity over the BH weekend. And on to the cops to say "Hey, there's a load of people in X place who weren't there last week."

Which would be evidence of unnecessary travel. Which would be in breach of the temporary law brought in to protect you and your loved ones - a point you seem to be missing.

(*) Starting a post with "In fairness" or ending it with "case closed!" does not mean you win the argument, despite what people online seem to think.

Shefwedfan

TaurenDruid wrote: »

"In fairness"(*), that isn't happening, so you're grand.

What did happen is one county council apparently used a drone to check on levels of activity in holiday home/caravan park developments. Presumably they'll be back to check on the level of activity over the BH weekend. And on to the cops to say "Hey, there's a load of people in X place who weren't there last week."

Which would be evidence of unnecessary travel. Which would be in breach of the temporary law brought in to protect you and your loved ones - a point you seem to be missing.

(*) Starting a post with "In fairness" or ending it with "case closed!" does not mean you win the argument, despite what people online seem to think.

Has it happened, the only thing I seen was a Sun article that said they could use drones. Nothing that they are actually using them

Grab All Association

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Has it happened, the only thing I seen was a Sun article that said they could use drones. Nothing that they are actually using them

It showed it happening on Rte news yesterday.

Mrs Shuttleworth

TaurenDruid wrote: »

"In fairness"(*), that isn't happening, so you're grand.

What did happen is one county council apparently used a drone to check on levels of activity in holiday home/caravan park developments. Presumably they'll be back to check on the level of activity over the BH weekend. And on to the cops to say "Hey, there's a load of people in X place who weren't there last week."

Which would be evidence of unnecessary travel. Which would be in breach of the temporary law brought in to protect you and your loved ones - a point you seem to be missing.

(*) Starting a post with "In fairness" or ending it with "case closed!" does not mean you win the argument, despite what people online seem to think.

And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

EyesClosed

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

What are the laws for if not public health?

brightspark

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

Many laws when initially legislated have loop holes, that doesn't mean that the intent of the legislation is wrong.
Time was obviously critical in producing this legislation, better to have it cover 90% of circumstances than none.

What other reason could there be for the legislation?

BENDYBINN

Who decides a house is a “holiday home”?
The local nosey Parker, maybe Mr twitchy curtains?
Do people go round lookin in windows and takin notes?

Edgarfrndly

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Who decides a house is a “holiday home”?
The local nosey Parker, maybe Mr twitchy curtains?
Do people go round lookin in windows and takin notes?

Somewhere that's not your place of residence for the majority of the year, probably.

plodder

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

The Simon Harris regulation has to work with the confines of the law passed by the Oireachtas, and that can't be fixed until we get a new government. They knew this apparently when drafting the regulation, but it was overlooked when they drafted the legislation. Nothing can be done about it until there is a new Seanad able to pass new primary legislation.

rosser44

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Who decides a house is a “holiday home”?
The local nosey Parker, maybe Mr twitchy curtains?
Do people go round lookin in windows and takin notes?

Do you own a house? Because if you did you would know the answer to the question.

Its the house you normally live in.

You decide if a house is a holiday home, when you declare a property your principle private residence for capital gains tax.

storker

EyesClosed wrote: »

What are the laws for if not public health?

Because tyranny!

(Or something.)

runawaybishop

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

And a point you seem to be missing is that when Simon Harris drafted the legislation (and noted by Drew Harris who made no attempt to remedy the position) that they all knew the regulations wouldn't apply to persons with a primary residence outside the State should they choose to enter Ireland.

Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

This isn't the conspiracy forum :rolleyes:

political analyst

gooseygander wrote: »

Level headed my ass, he must be bat **** crazy to stand beside or be associated with that deluded, unstable, abusive, racist woman. She needs medical help and he must be not far from needing it also because if he was level headed he would kick her to the kerb faster that you can say “I am your master”.

But do you not think he has made valid points in the past about family-law courts and the way in which separated parents have been treated?

storker

political analyst wrote: »

But do you not think he has made valid points in the past about family-law courts and the way in which separated parents have been treated?

I believe he has, but I don't see the connection between that and this.

political analyst

storker wrote: »

I believe he has, but I don't see the connection between that and this.

It means he has more credibility than O'Doherty, who only started making derogatory remarks about travellers after Peter Casey was doing well in the opinion polls before the presidential election.

storker

political analyst wrote: »

It means he has more credibility than O'Doherty, who only started making derogatory remarks about travellers after Peter Casey was doing well in the opinion polls before the presidential election.

I don't see how that gives him a pass.If he had any credibility resulting from that single issue, I'd say he's just tossed it overboard.

TaurenDruid

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Who decides a house is a “holiday home”?
The local nosey Parker, maybe Mr twitchy curtains?
Do people go round lookin in windows and takin notes?

Revenue.

Well - you, in conjunction with Revenue. You are paying your LPT and/or tax on your rental income on this holiday home of yours, yeah?

TaurenDruid

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

Pull the other one in telling me these laws are to protect public health.

Ok, then, I'll bite. What are these laws for, then?

Markcheese

It's kind of irrelavent which house / caravan you consider home , if you were there when this kerfuffle started ,you're supposed to stay there ... So if your "home address" is by the beach In Kerry but youre still in your city pad in Dublin ... You should stay in Dublin ..( and vice versa ) according to the garda commissioner a couple of weeks back .

Truthvader

Jesus. Has anyone seen the clip of Gemma on youtube being an rude entitled ignoramus to a Guard. Unbelievably this delusional creature put up the clip herself. Some more able than me should copy it on here.

What an absolutely vile creature

And her silly court case is shunted to the top of the list as people die trying to protect us.

A toxic self obsessed viper

swarlb

Truthvader wrote: »

Jesus. Has anyone seen the clip of Gemma on youtube being an rude entitled ignoramus to a Guard. Unbelievably this delusional creature put up the clip herself. Some more able than me should copy it on here.

What an absolutely vile creature

And her silly court case is shunted to the top of the list as people die trying to protect us.

A toxic self obsessed viper

Have you not read the original post.... ??

alchemist33

Truthvader wrote: »

Jesus. Has anyone seen the clip of Gemma on youtube being an rude entitled ignoramus to a Guard. Unbelievably this delusional creature put up the clip herself. Some more able than me should copy it on here.

What an absolutely vile creature

And her silly court case is shunted to the top of the list as people die trying to protect us.

A toxic self obsessed viper

I only saw it this evening. The garda deserves a minutes clapping just for herself. I don't think I've ever witnessed a sense of entitlement that huge before.

Truthvader

Apologies if this is old news. I did do a quick check but didnt find anthing. Actually shocked that any person would behave like this outside of a comedy show.

Please send chocolates and flowers to the fabulous guard. If it were me I would have dumped my career and hauled the evil witch from car and thrown her into the river

Yurt2

Gemma O'Doherty is a toxic combination of a "I want to speak to the manager" type woman and David Icke.

Except instead of the manager of Milanos she wants to speak to the Supreme Court.