Relaxation of restrictions Part II

28-04-2020 08:56AM

Antares35 wrote: »

I'm working from home and I love it. More flexibility, no commute, saving loads on petrol and pet sitter, can take a walk or just sit in the garden at lunch time. Really do not miss 3 hours a day sitting in traffic. Enjoying the peace and quiet around too.

Yes Antares it can be nice , but you have a partner , a dog, and are happily on countdown to having a baby ( best wishes

) and that makes a huge difference. It’s a very special time when most women are very content.

Many of us are doing this for the last 7 weeks completely alone. I’m lucky enough to have a garden, so much luckier than many people, but the silence is killing me. There’s just nobody to talk to. Yesterday I drove 15km away to a cliff headland for a solo walk, I just needed to do something different or I was going to crack up. I’m constantly restless even though I keep gardening and walking .
I ring friends and family but I’m really down and sad about being on my own for so long.

If these restrictions go on I am going to break them. If I get stopped at a checkpoint so be it. I live alone, have not been in touch with anyone (work has stopped), I don’t have Covid . I’ll take my chances , and if that sounds selfish at this stage I don’t care.

I understand about Nursing Homes and older people, my mother is in one and I haven’t seen her for 7weeks , which is adding to this overall feeling of anxiety.

CalamariFritti · 28-04-2020 08:57AM

I find it a bt confusing what's going at the moment. I am wondering what the long term strategy is. Government communication is a bit hazy on this unfortunately. Maybe someone can help me.

It appears we're trying to prevent transmission across communities. Lock the virus in geographically and then in those 'pockets' if you like do symptoms, contract tracing, isolating. Are we still actually trying to eliminate the virus from the country?

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2020 08:57AM

kippy wrote: »

The country will be under some level of lockdown/rolling lock down, with various levels of restrictions until a vaccine is widely administered or herd immunity has been verified and achieved.
Prime reason is to keep cases to manageable levels.

The severity of restrictions will depend on various things including testing and contact tracing capability and risk.

I think that much is obvious. I'm not saying things will remain as they are now btw but that shouldn't have to be made any more obvious.

There wont be any waiting for a vaccine, one might not even come, in your example then we may as well just be waiting under restrictions forever. Rolling lockdown also won't work, compliance is gone on this lockdown and an extension as it is.

People need to learn that its here and learn to live along side it with the basics such as social distancing and proper hygiene.

Penfailed · 28-04-2020 08:58AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Is there any possibility now of the restriction on schools reopening being lifted? I actually thought the primary schools would reopen before the end of June. Now I am not so sure.

Teachers I've been talking to reckon they'll be reopening in the new school year. Only leaving cert this side of the summer.

the kelt · 28-04-2020 09:00AM

It will probably take 2 weeks to edit and amend the minutes of meetings and information they have been suppressing anyway to ensure no responsibility for their own failings in regards to nursing homes, contract tracing and testing.

Easier to blame the ordinary people for the problems especially when they continue to clap along like performing seals saying please sir, more sir.

ixoy · 28-04-2020 09:00AM

Downlinz wrote: »

It doesn't require explaining since there's no evidence any of those countries have actually been successful with easing restrictions, it's too early to tell. Since Ireland has one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe per population it stands to reason that we wouldn't be at the forefront of taking those risky, unproven measures either.

Yes it does need explanation I think. Not everybody reads these forums or compares ICU capacity across countries, or understands cultural impacts on why Sweden is as it is, or that countries use different criteria for testing/reporting, etc. For the general public, it should definitely be explained along with with a clear road map.

is_that_so · 28-04-2020 09:00AM

Downlinz wrote: »

It doesn't require explaining since there's no evidence any of those countries have actually been successful with easing restrictions, it's too early to tell. Since Ireland has one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe per population it stands to reason that we wouldn't be at the forefront of taking those risky, unproven measures either.

The main metrics now seem to be hospital and ICU admissions. We may not be able to tell anyway if the timing of the easing going on in other places is right. Other factors may also have influence, improving immune systems, warmer weather etc.

kippy · 28-04-2020 09:01AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There wont be any waiting for a vaccine, one might not even come, in your example then we may as well just be waiting under restrictions forever. Rolling lockdown also won't work, compliance is gone on this lockdown and an extension as it is.

People need to learn that its here and learn to live along side it with the basics such as social distancing and proper hygiene.

You obviously missed the 'or herd immunity has been verified and achieved.'

Restrictions ARE what people need to learn to live with.....

facehugger99 · 28-04-2020 09:01AM

If the rumours are true about the pathetic relaxations of the current restrictions than it is clear we are dealing with a caretaker Govt. that has become paralyzed with fear and incapable to making decisions.

I hope people take it upon themselves to send a clear message that this is unacceptable.

Our jobs, prosperities and children's futures are being flushed down the toilet by a Taoiseach and Ministers too scared to face down the social-media hysteria merchants.

gozunda · 28-04-2020 09:02AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Newstalk News at 8am saying lockdown is likely to continue............for another 2 weeks

Looks like UK has also decided pretty much the same tbh.

JoeA3 · 28-04-2020 09:02AM

It’s completely wrong imo if the Indo / Times are reporting this stuff as fact, before it’s been officially announced. If the Government are deliberately leaking information as some kind of kite flying exercise, I think that’s wrong. It’s only increasing people’s anxiousness and confusion.

callaway92 · 28-04-2020 09:04AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

It’s completely wrong imo if the Indo / Times are reporting this stuff as fact, before it’s been officially announced. If the Government are deliberately leaking information as some kind of kite flying exercise, I think that’s wrong. It’s only increasing people’s anxiousness and confusion.

Jesus - The journalists obviously have contacts within the organisations/with a very trusted source associated with them.

Same goes for Sports news exclusives etc.

They wouldn’t release the news if it’s not true - leaves a stink reputation for them then.

is_that_so · 28-04-2020 09:05AM

the kelt wrote: »

It will probably take 2 weeks to edit and amend the minutes of meetings and information they have been suppressing anyway to ensure no responsibility for their own failings in regards to nursing homes, contract tracing and testing.

Easier to blame the ordinary people for the problems especially when they continue to clap along like performing seals saying please sir, more sir.

The minutes are not one-pagers. From the one I downloaded you're talking 10 pages+ with a huge amount of detail. They have to be approved and signed off. CMO owned up to having some on his desk to be signed off on. Workload not secrecy is what is delaying them. He also said they should be available sometime this week.

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2020 09:05AM

kippy wrote: »

You obviously missed the 'or herd immunity has been verified and achieved.'

Restrictions ARE what people need to learn to live with.....

So tell me why is every other European country able to plan out how to lift restrictions and yet little old Ireland cant??

At some point people are going to have to get on with life. I'm not planning to spend the next god knows how long under restrictions.

I was supportive of this at the start but the whole time this was given to the public as buying time for the HSE and government to increase resources in testing, contact tracing etc, we've heard 100k tests a week for the last 4 weeks. They've now had 7 weeks to get these services up to standard.

Penfailed · 28-04-2020 09:06AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I have complied and supported all measures up until the previously announced lockdown. I felt they extended it without due cause as new data was emerging. This data continues to emerge showing a much lower death rate than previously thought.

The video posted on this thread from two doctors based in the USA makes a very interesting point - people’s immune systems in general do not benefit from a lockdown and actually weaken. They are not coming into contact with small doses of various things on a daily basis to keep it strong and working. How have our own doctors not realised this?

If two doctors in America say it's true it must be a fact then?

If the 2km limit is just extended to a measly 5km I’m going to crack up and disregard if possible. I’ve had enough and so have my family. Has anyone thought of how this could be affecting children? These restrictions could have long term psychological damage to our younger population.

Disregard in what way?

Most older people I know cannot stand the restrictions and think life isn’t worth living alone and inside. They are already out walking and getting fresh air as they should be. It should never have been taken away from them. They should continue to be protected until this passes but not in an unreasonable way.

Older people in rural areas are getting out. I feel really sorry for those in built up areas

Went to a filling station yesterday & the general consensus among the silent majority is ‘time to get back to a normality of sorts’. We cannot eradicate the virus, we have to live with it. The amount of people waiting for other tests and procedures is shocking and will kill more people than the virus if this keeps up.

I’m very disappointed in the kite flying, lack of a plan from government, who also seem unduly influenced by comments on social media. If they don’t offer something better for May, they will lose the public’s support.

If they are being influenced by comments on social media (which would be ridiculous if true), then they have the support of the public...no?

The economy is in ruins currently and all their negative talk actually makes it worse. They’re overspending now and I do not want to have to pick up the bill down the line.
I’ve followed the coronavirus thread since January’s and Wuhan's outbreak. The virus isn’t nearly as deadly as was feared and we should all be thankful for that & allowed far less restrictions.

It's not nearly as deadly as feared due to, in my opinion, the measures taken by the government.

gozunda · 28-04-2020 09:07AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I would take the opinion of Cillian De Gascun last night over any journalist. He is a credidable source and a decision maker. We have 7 days he said, he wants to see a quicker drop in the rate of ICU admissions, the numbers are dropping but not at a quick enough rate, he said it'll take him 2.5 weeks to be up to the 100,000 tests a day capacity.
The issue seems to be contact tracing at the moment it's not going as smoothly as hoped, also when they changed the testing criteria after the huge initial surge a lot of people had to be called back to say they wouldn't be tested, some of those people definitely had it and carried on in the community which hasn't helped but there was little choice as we hadn't the capacity to test them all. I get a sense from him that we have played our part and he said we deserved to be rewarded for our efforts and he's concious people want to see this reward.

What reward? Like sweets or something? Ffs it's not about 'rewarding' people for doing the right thing. It's still about keeping controll of the rate of infection amongst contacts and keeping the health services coping. Its still early days. Thats it. We are not kids. We dont need to be 'rewarded'. We need to mind each other. Thats it.

munsterlegend · 28-04-2020 09:08AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Teachers I've been talking to reckon they'll be reopening in the new school year. Only leaving cert this side of the summer.

I wonder what will happen with regards to children moving classes. Will they just move forward or finish year in September?

Spencer Brown · 28-04-2020 09:09AM

callaway92 wrote: »

Jesus - The journalists obviously have contacts within the organisations/with a very trusted source associated with them.

Same goes for Sports news exclusives etc.

They wouldn’t release the news if it’s not true - leaves a stink reputation for them then.

A frankly astonishing statement.

callaway92 · 28-04-2020 09:10AM

Spencer Brown wrote: »

A frankly astonishing statement.

Not sure what’s so astonishing about it.

Get a grip of yourself with hyperbole like that.

is_that_so · 28-04-2020 09:11AM

callaway92 wrote: »

Jesus - The journalists obviously have contacts within the organisations/with a very trusted source associated with them.

Same goes for Sports news exclusives etc.

They wouldn’t release the news if it’s not true - leaves a stink reputation for them then.

Nah, it's what journalists do. Most of them get stuff wrong at some point based on "sources". If it turns out not to be true then they can point to last-minute decisions and the like. It looks to be both likely and the kind of kite flying we see at Budget time to test the public mood on proposals.

drunkmonkey · 28-04-2020 09:11AM

callaway92 wrote: »

Jesus - The journalists obviously have contacts within the organisations/with a very trusted source associated with them.

Same goes for Sports news exclusives etc.

They wouldn’t release the news if it’s not true - leaves a stink reputation for them then.

The decisions haven't been made Cillian De Gascun said it last night on national TV. They want the drop in ICU admissions to accelerate this week, right now that article in the info is cluckbait horsemanure it's like Harris's opinion it means nothing he's not steering the ship chaps like Cillian are.

Orchids · 28-04-2020 09:11AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I wonder what will happen with regards to children moving classes. Will they just move forward or finish year in September?

So will 6th Classes just head into secondary school without ever going back to primary?

28-04-2020 09:12AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

It’s completely wrong imo if the Indo / Times are reporting this stuff as fact, before it’s been officially announced. If the Government are deliberately leaking information as some kind of kite flying exercise, I think that’s wrong. It’s only increasing people’s anxiousness and confusion.

Completely agree! Newstalk had this as headline news (restrictions to continue)??.
It’s still 7-8 long days away :eek:
I’m finding this really upsetting . None stop talk about “Will they won’t they “ for the next 7 days ?

callaway92 · 28-04-2020 09:13AM

Ah jesus

munsterlegend · 28-04-2020 09:14AM

Orchids wrote: »

So will 6th Classes just head into secondary school without ever going back to primary?

Will probably be some rearranging of the school year. Then again we have no idea where things be in August.

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2020 09:14AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The decisions haven't been made Cillian De Gascun said it last night on national TV. They want the drop in ICU admissions to accelerate this week, right now that article in the info is cluckbait horsemanure it's like Harris's opinion it means nothing he's not steering the ship chaps like Cillian are.

To be fair they're hardly going to say the decisions have been made so they have to come out and say nothing is decided yet, privately they know exactly what they're going to do. They're openly admitting that the public's patience is getting thin now so they're going to leave it to the last minute and say we need 2 more weeks from you, the same speech we heard 3 weeks ago.

Its testing the waters and I think they know what the response in general is now.

Pinch Flat · 28-04-2020 09:15AM

No surprise on the 2 weeks additional restrictions, but sweetened by construction and some other activities being relaxed. The infection rate will spike when the testing figures catch up and the nursing homes re still not under control.

kippy · 28-04-2020 09:16AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So tell me why is every other European country able to plan out how to lift restrictions and yet little old Ireland cant??

At some point people are going to have to get on with life. I'm not planning to spend the next god knows how long under restrictions.

I was supportive of this at the start but the whole time this was given to the public as buying time for the HSE and government to increase resources in testing, contact tracing etc, we've heard 100k tests a week for the last 4 weeks. They've now had 7 weeks to get these services up to standard.

I'd love to see a published plan with solid dates, risk factors, variables and roadmap on it so I can only surmise it's not published yet because the dates and figures are still too fluid but I don't know.
Either way, in my own head I've based my attitude on what is available and what should logically make some sense.

drunkmonkey · 28-04-2020 09:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Completely agree! Newstalk had this as headline news (restrictions to continue)??.
It’s still 7-8 long days away :eek:
I’m finding this really upsetting . None stop talk about “Will they won’t they “ for the next 7 days ?

The message from media at the moment has to be no they won't lift restrictions. It'll be at the last minute they don't want us to get complacent this week. There towing the party line at the moment which is the right thing to do.
Wait and see what Ivan Yates has to say about it this evening, he's not in the bull**** business.

is_that_so · 28-04-2020 09:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Completely agree! Newstalk had this as headline news (restrictions to continue)??.
It’s still 7-8 long days away :eek:
I’m finding this really upsetting . None stop talk about “Will they won’t they “ for the next 7 days ?

I'd suggest sticking to official talking heads over journalists interpreting them. At least it's first-hand! Some of our journalists have been shocking during this with their dumb questions and guesswork.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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