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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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stephenjmcd

kippy wrote: »

You obviously missed the 'or herd immunity has been verified and achieved.'

Restrictions ARE what people need to learn to live with.....

So tell me why is every other European country able to plan out how to lift restrictions and yet little old Ireland cant??

At some point people are going to have to get on with life. I'm not planning to spend the next god knows how long under restrictions.

I was supportive of this at the start but the whole time this was given to the public as buying time for the HSE and government to increase resources in testing, contact tracing etc, we've heard 100k tests a week for the last 4 weeks. They've now had 7 weeks to get these services up to standard.

is_that_so

the kelt wrote: »

It will probably take 2 weeks to edit and amend the minutes of meetings and information they have been suppressing anyway to ensure no responsibility for their own failings in regards to nursing homes, contract tracing and testing.

Easier to blame the ordinary people for the problems especially when they continue to clap along like performing seals saying please sir, more sir.

The minutes are not one-pagers. From the one I downloaded you're talking 10 pages+ with a huge amount of detail. They have to be approved and signed off. CMO owned up to having some on his desk to be signed off on. Workload not secrecy is what is delaying them. He also said they should be available sometime this week.

callaway92

JoeA3 wrote: »

It’s completely wrong imo if the Indo / Times are reporting this stuff as fact, before it’s been officially announced. If the Government are deliberately leaking information as some kind of kite flying exercise, I think that’s wrong. It’s only increasing people’s anxiousness and confusion.

Jesus - The journalists obviously have contacts within the organisations/with a very trusted source associated with them.

Same goes for Sports news exclusives etc.

They wouldn’t release the news if it’s not true - leaves a stink reputation for them then.

JoeA3

It’s completely wrong imo if the Indo / Times are reporting this stuff as fact, before it’s been officially announced. If the Government are deliberately leaking information as some kind of kite flying exercise, I think that’s wrong. It’s only increasing people’s anxiousness and confusion.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Newstalk News at 8am saying lockdown is likely to continue............for another 2 weeks

Looks like UK has also decided pretty much the same tbh.

facehugger99

If the rumours are true about the pathetic relaxations of the current restrictions than it is clear we are dealing with a caretaker Govt. that has become paralyzed with fear and incapable to making decisions.

I hope people take it upon themselves to send a clear message that this is unacceptable.

Our jobs, prosperities and children's futures are being flushed down the toilet by a Taoiseach and Ministers too scared to face down the social-media hysteria merchants.

kippy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There wont be any waiting for a vaccine, one might not even come, in your example then we may as well just be waiting under restrictions forever. Rolling lockdown also won't work, compliance is gone on this lockdown and an extension as it is.

People need to learn that its here and learn to live along side it with the basics such as social distancing and proper hygiene.

You obviously missed the 'or herd immunity has been verified and achieved.'

Restrictions ARE what people need to learn to live with.....

is_that_so

Downlinz wrote: »

It doesn't require explaining since there's no evidence any of those countries have actually been successful with easing restrictions, it's too early to tell. Since Ireland has one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe per population it stands to reason that we wouldn't be at the forefront of taking those risky, unproven measures either.

The main metrics now seem to be hospital and ICU admissions. We may not be able to tell anyway if the timing of the easing going on in other places is right. Other factors may also have influence, improving immune systems, warmer weather etc.

ixoy

Downlinz wrote: »

It doesn't require explaining since there's no evidence any of those countries have actually been successful with easing restrictions, it's too early to tell. Since Ireland has one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe per population it stands to reason that we wouldn't be at the forefront of taking those risky, unproven measures either.

Yes it does need explanation I think. Not everybody reads these forums or compares ICU capacity across countries, or understands cultural impacts on why Sweden is as it is, or that countries use different criteria for testing/reporting, etc. For the general public, it should definitely be explained along with with a clear road map.

the kelt

It will probably take 2 weeks to edit and amend the minutes of meetings and information they have been suppressing anyway to ensure no responsibility for their own failings in regards to nursing homes, contract tracing and testing.

Easier to blame the ordinary people for the problems especially when they continue to clap along like performing seals saying please sir, more sir.

Penfailed

munsterlegend wrote: »

Is there any possibility now of the restriction on schools reopening being lifted? I actually thought the primary schools would reopen before the end of June. Now I am not so sure.

Teachers I've been talking to reckon they'll be reopening in the new school year. Only leaving cert this side of the summer.

stephenjmcd

kippy wrote: »

The country will be under some level of lockdown/rolling lock down, with various levels of restrictions until a vaccine is widely administered or herd immunity has been verified and achieved.
Prime reason is to keep cases to manageable levels.

The severity of restrictions will depend on various things including testing and contact tracing capability and risk.

I think that much is obvious. I'm not saying things will remain as they are now btw but that shouldn't have to be made any more obvious.

There wont be any waiting for a vaccine, one might not even come, in your example then we may as well just be waiting under restrictions forever. Rolling lockdown also won't work, compliance is gone on this lockdown and an extension as it is.

People need to learn that its here and learn to live along side it with the basics such as social distancing and proper hygiene.

CalamariFritti

I find it a bt confusing what's going at the moment. I am wondering what the long term strategy is. Government communication is a bit hazy on this unfortunately. Maybe someone can help me.

It appears we're trying to prevent transmission across communities. Lock the virus in geographically and then in those 'pockets' if you like do symptoms, contract tracing, isolating. Are we still actually trying to eliminate the virus from the country?

[Deleted User]

Antares35 wrote: »

I'm working from home and I love it. More flexibility, no commute, saving loads on petrol and pet sitter, can take a walk or just sit in the garden at lunch time. Really do not miss 3 hours a day sitting in traffic. Enjoying the peace and quiet around too.

Yes Antares it can be nice , but you have a partner , a dog, and are happily on countdown to having a baby ( best wishes

) and that makes a huge difference. It’s a very special time when most women are very content.

Many of us are doing this for the last 7 weeks completely alone. I’m lucky enough to have a garden, so much luckier than many people, but the silence is killing me. There’s just nobody to talk to. Yesterday I drove 15km away to a cliff headland for a solo walk, I just needed to do something different or I was going to crack up. I’m constantly restless even though I keep gardening and walking .
I ring friends and family but I’m really down and sad about being on my own for so long.

If these restrictions go on I am going to break them. If I get stopped at a checkpoint so be it. I live alone, have not been in touch with anyone (work has stopped), I don’t have Covid . I’ll take my chances , and if that sounds selfish at this stage I don’t care.

I understand about Nursing Homes and older people, my mother is in one and I haven’t seen her for 7weeks , which is adding to this overall feeling of anxiety.

Downlinz

ixoy wrote: »

What the government will need to do, in some form, is explain why if a number of countries are now easing restrictions, that Ireland can't, despite the fact that the rate of transmission is below the target of 1. We'd be owed that in a clear answer.

It doesn't require explaining since there's no evidence any of those countries have actually been successful with easing restrictions, it's too early to tell. Since Ireland has one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe per population it stands to reason that we wouldn't be at the forefront of taking those risky, unproven measures either.

is_that_so

ixoy wrote: »

What the government will need to do, in some form, is explain why if a number of countries are now easing restrictions, that Ireland can't, despite the fact that the rate of transmission is below the target of 1. We'd be owed that in a clear answer.

Yeah, we do need to see a shift in PR away from the "great job, hang in there" to "what next".

Henry Ford III

ixoy wrote: »

What the government will need to do, in some form, is explain why if a number of countries are now easing restrictions, that Ireland can't, despite the fact that the rate of transmission is below the target of 1. We'd be owed that in a clear answer.

Maybe the other countries decisions are wrong?

If we relax too early and the virus bites again it will be disastrous.

kippy

munsterlegend wrote: »

You don’t think they will be going back?

Not to a pre-march level. Maybe certain classes, maybe certain ages. Maybe staggered, shorter school day but not to pre march environment.

munsterlegend

is_that_so wrote: »

LC students returning has been well flagged, the rest of it not so much.

Yeah a few kites have been thrown out to the media previously about going back one day a week.

munsterlegend

kippy wrote: »

Schools be going back to a pre march scenario any time this year I fear.

You don’t think they will be going back?

ixoy

What the government will need to do, in some form, is explain why if a number of countries are now easing restrictions, that Ireland can't, despite the fact that the rate of transmission is below the target of 1. We'd be owed that in a clear answer.

Penfailed

prunudo wrote: »

But also one of the presenter's calling out a texter who said we should be in lockdown till a vaccine is found. Seems some in the media are starting to question the justification for a continuation of current restrictions.

Well...no. They questioned the justification for a lockdown until a vaccine is found. That's not feasible. They didn't question the justification for a continuation of current restrictions.

kippy

munsterlegend wrote: »

Is there any possibility now of the restriction on schools reopening being lifted? I actually thought the primary schools would reopen before the end of June. Now I am not so sure.

Schools be going back to a pre march scenario any time this year I fear.

is_that_so

munsterlegend wrote: »

Is there any possibility now of the restriction on schools reopening being lifted? I actually thought the primary schools would reopen before the end of June. Now I am not so sure.

LC students returning has been well flagged, the rest of it not so much.

ceadaoin.

Penfailed wrote: »

Well below zero? That's not even possible.

Sorry, I meant 1. Just noticed that now. Apologies.

My point still stands though. This virus isn't going to be eradicated by social distancing alone. The current measures have worked as intended. What good would further restrictions do?

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

And at the very same time on the Claire Show last night , Professor Luke O Neil said everyone now SHOULD be wearing masks in shops and at work!! Go figure, there is no consensus on anything !!:mad:

The complete opposite opinion of the GP and Cillian De Gascun, and gloves are completely out people should not be wearing them. The risk out weights the benefits of masks, the people using those should he avoided like the plague and I think banned from shops, they have no idea what there doing and the danger they pose to people.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Newstalk News at 8am saying lockdown is likely to continue............for another 2 weeks

Off what the CMO and De Gascun saying there are seven more days, and by not denying it one could assume that but who knows. Given that questions about it will be stonewalled by anyone that matters it'll be a good story to run as "true" for the week. I would say that if is coming that needs to come out before Friday and we need to see a clear plan. Not doing so runs the risk of suggesting that we can manage a pandemic but not a way out of it.

kippy

prunudo wrote: »

But also one of the presenter's calling out a texter who said we should be in lockdown till a vaccine is found. Seems some in the media are starting to question the justification for a continuation of current restrictions.

The country will be under some level of lockdown/rolling lock down, with various levels of restrictions until a vaccine is widely administered or herd immunity has been verified and achieved.
Prime reason is to keep cases to manageable levels.

The severity of restrictions will depend on various things including testing and contact tracing capability and risk.

I think that much is obvious. I'm not saying things will remain as they are now btw but that shouldn't have to be made any more obvious.

Downlinz

Relaxing the restrictions can't happen and won't happen next week as ICU numbers are stagnating with a similar number of people entering each day who leave. It's both surprising and alarming that the spread is so great within lockdown and it's hard to imagine we'd have much chance of hospitals not becoming overwhelmed from any sort of attempt at opening.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1255014774422884352

I'd love to hear the stories of how all these people are contradicting the virus in the middle of a lockdown and what they happen to be doing because it's certainly not just happening in nursing homes.

stephenjmcd

prunudo wrote: »

But also one of the presenter's calling out a texter who said we should be in lockdown till a vaccine is found. Seems some in the media are starting to question the justification for a continuation of current restrictions.

Good, about time someone used common sense in calling that out. It can't go on simple as. People will have to learn to live with this