Relaxation of restrictions Part II

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 07:36PM

road_high wrote: »

Ultimately life will and will have to return as before because that was the normal way of human living. As it did after pandemics in history

I agree, it'll take time and thats fine. It's highly annoying seeing every other country lay out their plans while we're continually told to stay the course and all in good time.

At least give us a timescale and a vision on how to ease restrictions where we can get back to a level of normality instead of stringing us along with the threat of an extension

Spencer Brown · 27-04-2020 07:37PM

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

As I understand it, we don’t have a lockdown just restrictions and we certainly don’t have the same level as restrictions that are in some other jurisdictions. I get that we use the word ‘lockdown’ to explain the situation but the authorities were very careful not to use the word lockdown or impose a lockdown. Being able to travel 2k from your home is not a lockdown. Sure the over 70s are much more restricted but other restrictions are not very restrictive relatively speaking for most of us.

The restrictions in parts of Spain, Italy, China and other places were / are much more severe. People couldn’t leave their homes for any reason in some places. When we talk about easing restrictions we need to have a bit of perspective and look at what other countries are cautiously coming out off.

Have you been to any of these countries? Ireland is not the same. We have one large city, a significant amount of our population live in houses in the countryside. Spain have at least 30 cities with larger populations than our second city Cork. Galway would barely make the top 100 biggest cities in Spain. Things HAVE to be stricter when you are dealing with that sort of population density. A 2km rule applied to each of those cities would result in never-ending new cases.

Ferris_Bueller · 27-04-2020 07:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I agree, it'll take time and thats fine. It's highly annoying seeing every other country lay out their plans while we're continually told to stay the course and all in good time.

At least give us a timescale and a vision on how to ease restrictions where we can get back to a level of normality instead of stringing up along with the threat of an extension

This is the most important thing for me and I would guess a lot of others too. If they decide it is best to extend the lockdown for another while then fine, they are the experts here, but please at least give us a rough idea of a timeline or what they are plotting in the background. If they were to say we are extending it for another month and we will see how it is after the June bank holiday weekend I think it would cause some people to lose patience with the whole thing.

It would be very hard to stay any way positive or enthusiastic if we just feel like the June weekend is going to roll around and they are just going to extend it again.

Lyle · 27-04-2020 07:45PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

At least give us a timescale and a vision on how to ease restrictions where we can get back to a level of normality instead of stringing up along with the threat of an extension

I think they're afraid to give that indication without first watching the changing societal parameters of other countries easing their measures. If they say any time and can't then line that up with the future development of the disease, they'll get crucified.

Playing it safe, ultra ultra hyper safe, we might get back to the old normal in a year or two. If they said that there'd be pandemonium, people would go nuts. Call it too early, people go nuts. Call it too late, people go nuts.

If they say late June, we're going back to normal and then Austria and Spain and Italy all have case numbers fly off the handle again when resrictions are lifted, they'll have to change that June date and people will go nuts.

They're playing it cautiously and close to the chest, frustrating as it is for us left guessing but they have to see what happens elsewhere because they really can't get their next call wrong. Providing a vision for people only opens the prospect of further annoyance and upheaval when some unseen variable makes that vision impossible, people will have gotten their hopes up only to be crushed. Again.

Stheno · 27-04-2020 07:46PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I agree, it'll take time and thats fine. It's highly annoying seeing every other country lay out their plans while we're continually told to stay the course and all in good time.

At least give us a timescale and a vision on how to ease restrictions where we can get back to a level of normality instead of stringing us along with the threat of an extension

Same here

They've been fudging now for a week

helimachoptor · 27-04-2020 07:47PM

Relaxation of the 2km limit, the fact the NI folks have wander around i think has annoyed a lot of people.
Wife hasn't seen her parents in 3 months (is normally down every 4-6 weeks) but the way trips were planned and restrictions coming in, it messed up the schedule.

They live in wildest Mayo so basically no risk, drive door to door and get out fo car.

In saying that, would be happy to see the limits of groups relaxed. Want to have the friends over for food and some beers tbh

Stark · 27-04-2020 07:49PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

This is the most important thing for me and I would guess a lot of others too. If they decide it is best to extend the lockdown for another while then fine, they are the experts here, but please at least give us a rough idea of a timeline or what they are plotting in the background. If they were to say we are extending it for another month and we will see how it is after the June bank holiday weekend I think it would cause some people to lose patience with the whole thing.

Also stop with the BS deflection that the people aren't complying enough. Most people are complying and this shows in the drop in numbers. Problem is the purpose of lockdown is not to fix the problem, it's to buy time so systems and adaptations can be put in place to allow relaxation in a safe manner. It's looking like not much progress has been made on that front in the very expensive time that we've bought so they're trying to deflect the blame onto the population with curtain twitching anecdote crap.

It's like 2008 all over again when they tried to blame public servants for the economic crash.

kenmm · 27-04-2020 07:50PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

Relaxation of the 2km limit, the fact the NI folks have wander around i think has annoyed a lot of people.
Wife hasn't seen her parents in 3 months (is normally down every 4-6 weeks) but the way trips were planned and restrictions coming in, it messed up the schedule.

They live in wildest Mayo so basically no risk, drive door to door and get out fo car.

In saying that, would be happy to see the limits of groups relaxed. Want to have the friends over for food and some beers tbh

Why would the limits of groups be relaxed when that is the one restriction that is actually reducing the spread of the virus?

I had to read this a couple of times to make sure it wasn't a troll.

ninebeanrows · 27-04-2020 07:51PM

Common Sense

We need a significant education campaign before notable ease if restrictions.

We are only as strong as our weakest link and need to educate EVERYBODY about social etiquette in this situation.

Compulsory facemasks might be no harm as there are some idioms walking around coughing and sneezing as if nothings going on.

We need every second ad on the TV and radio educating us and a few broadcast messages from famous ppl every few days outlining it.

If we can do this maturely we can have some normality by June and look forward to some irish holidaying this summer.

VonLuck · 27-04-2020 07:52PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

Relaxation of the 2km limit, the fact the NI folks have wander around i think has annoyed a lot of people.

I'm slightly confused about this whole Northern Ireland issue. I thought they had restrictions on how far they can travel from their own government? How are they able to travel south?

helimachoptor · 27-04-2020 07:54PM

kenmm wrote: »

Why would the limits of groups be relaxed when that is the one restriction that is actually reducing the spread of the virus?

I had to read this a couple of times to make sure it wasn't a troll.

Small groups - less than 10, not 100's.

Spencer Brown · 27-04-2020 07:54PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Common Sense

We need a significant education campaign before notable ease if restrictions.

We are only as strong as our weakest link and need to educate EVERYBODY about social etiquette in this situation.

Compulsory facemasks might be no harm as there are some idioms walking around coughing and sneezing as if nothings going on.

We need every second ad on the TV and radio educating us and a few broadcast messages from famous ppl every few days outlining it.

If we can do this maturely we can have some normality by June and look forward to some irish holidaying this summer.

Have you watch the tv or listened to the radio in recent months?

GazzaL · 27-04-2020 07:55PM

Stark wrote: »

Also stop with the BS deflection that the people aren't complying enough. Most people are complying and this shows in the drop in numbers. Problem is the purpose of lockdown is not to fix the problem, it's to buy time so systems and adaptations can be put in place to allow relaxation in a safe manner. It's looking like not much progress has been made on that front in the very expensive time that we've bought so they're trying to deflect the blame onto the population with curtain twitching anecdote crap.

It's like 2008 all over again when they tried to blame public servants for the economic crash.

No Irish politician wants to be the one that makes a decision.

Plus they're still getting full pay while 50% of the workforce are depending on handouts, scraps from the table, while their jobs and businesses are being destroyed.

ixoy · 27-04-2020 07:55PM

kenmm wrote: »

Why would the limits of groups be relaxed when that is the one restriction that is actually reducing the spread of the virus

Because it's a controlled relaxation. It's not a free-for-all. It's allowing certain groups to meet each other and it's a very good idea if people adhere to it. It'll allow them to meet a few different people, including family they've missed and yet we'll still be greatly reducing general interactions. It's a small step but I think it's one that people would appreciate.

Spencer Brown · 27-04-2020 07:55PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm slightly confused about this whole Northern Ireland issue. I thought they had restrictions on how far they can travel from their own government? How are they able to travel south?

If they can make it past the border into the Republic they're hardly going to be extradited :pac:

helimachoptor · 27-04-2020 07:55PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm slightly confused about this whole Northern Ireland issue. I thought they had restrictions on how far they can travel from their own government? How are they able to travel south?

Yeah they have but sure paddy Irishman doesn't matter.
From a friend that's from Donegal, they are coming across the border in their droves for their days out

kenmm · 27-04-2020 07:56PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm slightly confused about this whole Northern Ireland issue. I thought they had restrictions on how far they can travel from their own government? How are they able to travel south?

They do, they don't have a 2km rule, just general advice to keep local. Cyclists etc I know up there have been asked to turn back a few miles from home.

From what I can tell anecdotally NI seem to have better discipline when it comes to distancing etc (but there are always some ar3eholes that don't care)

They way it sound on boards.ie tho, there is a rampage of NI registered cars and packs of them coming down here to freely roam as they like and returning home each night to repeat the process the next day, spreading virus and sectarianism in their wake!

VonLuck · 27-04-2020 07:56PM

Spencer Brown wrote: »

If they can make it past the border into the Republic they're hardly going to be extradited :pac:

No, my point is that if there are restrictions on travel distance in place up North how are they travelling south? Are the PSNI just not enforcing it?

normanoffside · 27-04-2020 07:57PM

Another unintended consequence of restrictions.

Charity says older people ringing its helpline 'becoming increasingly distressed by the impact of cocooning'

https://www.thejournal.ie/alone-calls-isolation-5085256-Apr2020/

Penfailed · 27-04-2020 07:57PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm slightly confused about this whole Northern Ireland issue. I thought they had restrictions on how far they can travel from their own government? How are they able to travel south?

They have. If they are obeying their own rules, they shouldn't be crossing the border.

amadangomor · 27-04-2020 07:57PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

Small groups - less than 10, not 100's.

You have to be trolling.

Otherwise it looks like you have zero understanding of the reality we are in now.

almostover · 27-04-2020 07:58PM

Lyle wrote: »

I think they're afraid to give that indication without first watching the changing societal parameters of other countries easing their measures. If they say any time and can't then line that up with the future development of the disease, they'll get crucified.

Playing it safe, ultra ultra hyper safe, we might get back to the old normal in a year or two. If they said that there'd be pandemonium, people would go nuts. Call it too early, people go nuts. Call it too late, people go nuts.

If they say late June, we're going back to normal and then Austria and Spain and Italy all have case numbers fly off the handle again when resrictions are lifted, they'll have to change that June date and people will go nuts.

They're playing it cautiously and close to the chest, frustrating as it is for us left guessing but they have to see what happens elsewhere because they really can't get their next call wrong. Providing a vision for people only opens the prospect of further annoyance and upheaval when some unseen variable makes that vision impossible, people will have gotten their hopes up only to be crushed. Again.

Don't you know common sense like yours has no place on an internet forum?

almostover · 27-04-2020 08:00PM

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0427/1135070-brave-grandmother-beats-covid19/

Sure it’s been mentioned here
lockdown Cowards on here it’s time to go out and play

The only cowards here are those clamouring to put their only personal desires above the health and safety of our must vulernable in society and our healthcare staff.

Ellie1988 · 27-04-2020 08:00PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

I notice RTE seem to include the NI figures.
Is this because these people can roam freely down here while we are limited to 2 Km.

While most other countries closed their borders, we were afraid to do so for fear of upsetting a certain political party.

You'll get a few more people upset than just those in SF.

Dont think they have a set limit like the 2km here but they have police etc patrolling and stopping cars anyway, same way they do in ROI

drunkmonkey · 27-04-2020 08:01PM

Here we go, get Harris to send us all some seeds in the post and lock us down until April 2021...

TEL AVIV – An Israeli hospital will begin testing COVID-19 patients with medicinal cannabis, which is known to have anti-viral properties, as part of a new experimental treatment.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/04/25/israeli-hospital-to-begin-treating-virus-patients-with-cannabis/

Spencer Brown · 27-04-2020 08:01PM

amadangomor wrote: »

You have to be trolling.

Otherwise it looks like you have zero understanding of the reality we are in now.

I think it's you who has zero understanding of reality. What's your expectation? That people won't be able to interact with others outside their families for months to come?

RoryMac · 27-04-2020 08:02PM

amadangomor wrote: »

You have to be trolling.

Otherwise it looks like you have zero understanding of the reality we are in now.

Not sure what you're not understanding but this is the norm in most countries relaxing the restrictions. You can socialize with a limited group of people outside your home but it needs to be the same group of people all the time so that in the event of an outbreak the contact tracing is easy.

kenmm · 27-04-2020 08:02PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

Small groups - less than 10, not 100's.

Hard to know, but ,may as well be 000s if it spreads as fast as they reckon. But I guess they have to model it and maybe a possibility.

The risk for me is that we have done all this and kept it under control. The economy can sort of survive this. If we need to go through all this sh!t again in quick succession, then fu(k knows the impact.

ixoy wrote: »

Because it's a controlled relaxation. It's not a free-for-all. It's allowing certain groups to meet each other and it's a very good idea if people adhere to it. It'll allow them to meet a few different people, including family they've missed and yet we'll still be greatly reducing general interactions. It's a small step but I think it's one that people would appreciate.

I still wouldn't not be going anywhere near the parents or anyone close to being at risk.

Penfailed · 27-04-2020 08:02PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

I notice RTE seem to include the NI figures.
Is this because these people can roam freely down here while we are limited to 2 Km.

While most other countries closed their borders, we were afraid to do so for fear of upsetting a certain political party.

Which party? If you are talking about SF, their local councillor and their local TD have spoken out about it - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/donegal-covid-19-5084585-Apr2020/%3famp=1

helimachoptor · 27-04-2020 08:03PM

amadangomor wrote: »

You have to be trolling.

Otherwise it looks like you have zero understanding of the reality we are in now.

We've been under mobility restrictions for a number of weeks, reproduction number is abiut 0.5, sounds about right?

Keep social distancing, allow people to see their friends and family in a controlled and sensible way.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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