Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Speakerboxx wrote: »

There was quite a few responsible.
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So where are the arrests ?

Discodog wrote: »

It isn't. It totally depends on who you listen to because they explain when the deaths occurred. The relevant number is the actual deaths each day & the numbers in ICU, both are falling.

Nothing has been detailed. We have no real idea what restrictions will be lifted & when. Meanwhile businesses are supposed to plan.

Not into the various conspiracy theories tbh. But yes it has been detailed that restictions will he lifted as things improve. I'm sure most of us are not children - ttat we must know the exact date and time that this will happen..

The death rate no matter which way you look at is up.

Compare the figures for March and April. By the end of March some 71 people had died of the disease. Today (not quite a month later) the figure is 1,063.

We are all in the same boat. My own business included.

Discodog wrote: »

Without entering the realm of conspiracies & given the haphazard way that figures have been released, would it suit the government to present them in a way to justify a further restriction extension ?

The increasing confusion from official lines is worrying. Throw in the lack of any semblance of a plan and its adding to the frustration and feeling of “ah sure we’ll figure it out” being the approach at the moment and it’s actually adding to the issues

I mean it’s all over the place, travellers have free reign to do what they want, people in NÍ can pop along for a day trip if they so wish and we have people on this thread seeing nothing wrong with an ordinary fella having his boot searched for groceries!

Meanwhile every number released seem to have a caveat associated, it seems getting the R0 down doesn’t matter a jot anyway and thrown into the mix we had a release of probable deaths number the other evening on top of the “here’s the last 24 hours cases and deaths” but just to clarify we don’t know if that was within the last 24 or over a number of days etc etc.

I mean I read earlier about the Belgian approach, a country that locked down later I believe, has been far worse affected than us but has laid out a plan of what will happen and people have bought into it.

People will buy into it here too once they are levelled with, not having the approach of “ah sure we’ll see” and then a tut tut at the ordinary joe who ventured more than 2k to have a chat with his elderly father through the window or the cyclist who’s strayed 5k from his home.

In situations where society had to comply the worst thing you can do is leave a vacumn of information because it gets filled with bulsh1t and rhetoric on both sides of the argument which is worse in today’s society where most people’s source of information is Sharon on Facebook and a symbol of an egg on Twitter.

At the start of all this Tony Holohan referenced the fact that he didn’t want to lock down too early because human nature means compliance will only last so long. That was encouraging for me as it indicated they were considering how people and a society naturally react in certain situations, my hope is they are still doing that or things could get messy for us all.

easypazz wrote: »

Explain it to us so what a lockdown is?

Close shops and all starve?

Ban exercise?

We have no rights left.

Among other rights that you still have, you have the right Internet access and the right to criticise the restrictions, both of which you are exercising right now.

Maybe when your right to access a free press and your right to vote is gone too, then claiming that "we have no rights left" will be a bit less hyperbolic.

(You might be more persuasive if you dialled the melodrama back from 11.)

easypazz wrote: »

Explain it to us so what a lockdown is?

Close shops and all starve?

Ban exercise?

We have no rights left.

I never knew so many Irish in North Korea were members of boards :pac:

The longer the authorities stretch out the lockdown with no clear plan and no clear strategy the less chance people will obey
They know it and will have to at very least make it clear what path they are on

All around I see people who stuck to all the rules and did everything they were told getting pissed of with the lack of leadership and planning

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's worse than that, in the panic to free up bed capacity they transferred old folk from the hospitals into the nursing homes, some of these had Covid. That's according to Newstalk this morning. They literally caused the problem which should have been the number 1 thing they didn't do.
A majority of the deaths in nursing homes are a result of this policy. It's about the dumbest thing the government could have done.

And yet we have to take instruction from these fools.
They are using threats of extending lockdowns to cover up their own failures- going on about how many people have been out and about this weekend (which has nothing to do with the deaths they have caused).

It's smoke and mirrors stuff from the government and HSE.

Hopefully their dirty laundry will come out in the wash this week.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The longer the authorities stretch out the lockdown with no clear plan and no clear strategy the less chance people will obey
They know it and will have to at very least make it clear what path they are on

All around I see people who stuck to all the rules and did everything they were told getting pissed of with the lack of leadership and planning

I think it’s the perceived unfairness of the lockdown. People are assuming that “if we do x then we should be able to go back to normal in y weeks” and that’s the deal they are buying into.

It’s not that simple. We aren’t negotiating with something that can be negotiated with. The government are trying to figure this out as we go along because there are so many unknowns about this virus.

I’m not owed anything for obeying the rules and neither is anyone else. If the advice on the 5th May is a tightening of restrictions, so be it. I don’t like it but I’d rather take the advice of people who know far more about this than all of us on here and who are making these decisions for the good of our society than risk the lives of people just because I think I’m owed something from the government.

Those wanting clothing shops to reopen will be the cause of deaths elsewhere it seems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1134864/

titan18 wrote: »

Those wanting clothing shops to reopen will be the cause of deaths elsewhere it seems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1134864/

And if those clothes makers in Bangladesh don't get back to work, how many of them will die of starvation?

I don't think they have a €350/week Covid Payment in Bangladesh.

Discodog wrote: »

So where are the arrests ?

The gardai are one useless force.

DeanAustin wrote: »

I think it’s the perceived unfairness of the lockdown. People are assuming that “if we do x then we should be able to go back to normal in y weeks” and that’s the deal they are buying into.

It’s not that simple. We aren’t negotiating with something that can be negotiated with. The government are trying to figure this out as we go along because there are so many unknowns about this virus.

I’m not owed anything for obeying the rules and neither is anyone else. If the advice on the 5th May is a tightening of restrictions, so be it. I don’t like it but I’d rather take the advice of people who know far more about this than all of us on here and who are making these decisions for the good of our society than risk the lives of people just because I think I’m owed something from the government.

Actually what we are owed is the rules apply to everyone equally
Not that we stay in while travellers gather in crowds . Not that we stay in while people cross from NI and travel as they wish.
Not that we stay within 2 kgs while others drive to Salthill prom etc . People are not seeing their dying relatives in care homes while travellers gather in crowds on the Curragh
I get rightly pissed off that my efforts are completely undermined by others making a mockery of it. We are owed at very least that the rules apply to us all