Relaxation of restrictions Part II

trapp wrote: »

That is debatable.

It sounds terrible to say but how many would willingly give up their jobs and become dependent on the state to save an elderly relative for another year or two?

And how many of the elderly relatives would, if given the choice, see their grandchildren's lives ruined to keep them alive for a little while longer?

Everybody dies my poor man, it's the one certainty in life that none of us can avoid.

There's a lot of truth to this, even if it's considered impolitic to say it.

Quality of life is far more important than quantity, especially as you get older.

I for one would not ever want to become a burden or source of pain for my loved ones, and I certainly don't want to spend my last years suffering or in and out of hospital and on machines while becoming so thin it was like something from those ads for Africa - I watched my own mother waste away like that in her last 2 years and it was a relief and release for her when she finally died.

trapp wrote: »

Waving at someone through a window isn't going to solve losing employment, losing whatever sport or club one might be part of and losing a sense of purpose in their lives which is what many are facing.

You haven't a clue my poor friend.

Excuse me you have no idea about me I was giving tip to try and help people during this time who may feel isolated so reign in the superior complex of yours.

I have missed and lost a lot of things over these 8 weeks as have others. We can try and be there for people but no ots better to be a keyboard warrior to moan and complain. This place really has become unsavory. Give some a sense of purpose show them there can be a light at the end of the tunnel. Be a human and actually talk and encourage each other.

This lockdown is ending however if people like you decide I know people and just mess about we will be back to where we were 8 weeks ago and the what for those people with mental health problem or jobs

doylefe wrote: »

For a start I want to go to the hardware store to get some shelves, and filler.

https://www.diy.com/
https://www.woodies.ie/

You're welcome, and nobody needs to die for it.

road_high wrote: »

They need to take that Holohan lad off air asap. I can't stand him and his pontificating. I'm sick listening to him, hearing about him. He wasn't elected by any of us (but i can smell a Seanad nomination in the offing), he has no authority to speak on matters of law and order/governance. If that other lemon Drew Harris wants to lecture us let him do it.
The media re so completely rubbish and compliant. Maybe we need to pay again for good journalism? Because it appears to be a dead profession now in this country.

++1. Nail on head.

Irish journalism is a complete joke. Listen to say the likes of Matt Cooper on Today FM. That guy used to be a serious journalist, as difficult as that is to believe. These days he has a show filled with contributions from “journalists” from the likes of journal.ie. On the other channel we have a bankrupt ex bookmaker, ex Fine Gael TD, no credibility whatsoever. And as for RTE... turn it on tonight and you have 600k per year Tubs “sincerely” reminding us yet again what we must do. It’s nauseating.

Tony H is nailed on for a Seanad seat. All that cervical cancer business is a mere distant memory for him.

doylefe wrote: »

Outrageous delivery costs.

Cheaper than a Funeral though right?

JoeA3 wrote: »

++1. Nail on head.

Irish journalism is a complete joke. Listen to say the likes of Matt Cooper on Today FM. That guy used to be a serious journalist, as difficult as that is to believe. These days he has a show filled with contributions from “journalists” from the likes of journal.ie. On the other channel we have a bankrupt ex bookmaker, ex Fine Gael TD, no credibility whatsoever. And as for RTE... turn it on tonight and you have 600k per year Tubs “sincerely” reminding us yet again what we must do. It’s nauseating.

Tony H is nailed on for a Seanad seat. All that cervical cancer business is a mere distant memory for him.

When you see the likes of him sniffing around the media and the government sniffing around him you can be damn sure a Seanad seat is in the offing. There's always another agenda with these people- as there is with Harris and Varadkar. And you or I's welfare are a long way down the list i can assure you!

trapp wrote: »

Oh great.

I've lost my job and all my social outlets.

We're heading for a recession in the midst of a global pandemic.

But playing a video game will help.

Dear oh dear oh dear my poor friend.

Also the idea that we're all in this together is a load of crap. When it's over life will be very different and some will be a lot better off than others.

Wake up my poor man.

Will first of all I am sorry you lost your job. Playing a game was 1 of my suggestion. You said you have lost your social outlets will so have loads others myself included. We are in this together it is not crap it's not just me me me. Your right after this there will be changes. You can either get up and do something (within the confines of this lockdown for now) or just moan and say poor me. Try the first one

Zetor19 wrote: »

Do any other countries have the CMO on the tv every single night giving press conferences like Juergen klopp as a matter of interest? Surely just give the numbers on the news would be enough and maybe a weekly press conference from Holohan.

lol. I really wish we could go back to a diet of Jurgen Klopp and I say that as a Man United fan.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That's the kind of attitude that will see the lockdown restrictions kept in place for the next 5 weeks!
Stay home, save lives!

Unless he's going around licking the paint brushes then it's highly unlikely I would think.

Downlinz wrote: »

Some serious rhetoric here I've seen repeated plenty.

We can stay at home, only making essential trips out for supplies for as long as is required, it's pretty easy actually. We don't need lattes or to go to bowling alleys.

The economic point is debatable. Most businesses are pretty happy at the moment with government paying their workers and shielding them from eating the costs of vastly reduced business, they certainly wouldn't appreciate that being removed until we reach a point where the majority feel confident to mingle in public again.
In terms of the national picture, a single lockdown with a steady recovery after is in all of our best interests. A lockdown - open - lockdown ping pong game serves nobody.

Not to be callous but in terms of mental health that's an issue for you to deal with. It's a pandemic, it's not a happy time and most people are going to feel the effects of it. If you're only bemoaning boredom and quality of life then I think you're fortunate it's not much worse to be mourning relatives in isolation or fighting for your own life.

Way to go and completely miss the point I was making.
We can all agree that the curve has been flattened.
The virus is here to stay & cases will inevitably spike when we reopen services, regardless of when we do that, so can you please explain what logic there is in continuing lockdown?

Why is opening services in June preferable to May, because you seem to be basing that off absolutely nothing?
It’s actually inevitable that this won’t be the only lockdown anyway.
If the health service gets overwhelmed we will have to stay home again to limit the spread to ensure our hospitals don’t collapse.
So how can you possibly know that staying home for another month, or three months, will ensure that there’ll be a steady recovery and there won’t be another lockdown?
It’s delaying the inevitable. This is a pandemic, there is nothing steady about it.
The virus doesn’t care how well we’ve behaved by staying home.

I didn’t mention anything about lattes or going bowling so lose the sneering attitude on that front.
You appear to be completely ignorant to the catastrophic effect this is having on many people’s lives.
I don’t even work in retail or hospitality, I work a professional role in what most would have considered to be a ‘safe bet’ industry and my job is gone.
In my immediate family, both my brothers & my dad have lost theirs too.
I have elderly relatives & neighbours who are so depressed & miserable from the isolation that they no longer fear the virus and just want to be with their loved ones again. This is having a horrific effect on people and isn’t simply ‘boredom’ as you have repeatedly dismissed it as.

We are all responsible for our mental health on a personal level but as you said yourself, this is a pandemic.
Mass unemployment, social isolation, lack of distraction and separation from loved ones is a perfect recipe for a huge surge in suicides in the next few months.
It’s the elephant in the room no one wants to acknowledge, yourself in particular with your unhelpful advice about it being each persons own responsibility to look after themselves.

We can’t stay home indefinitely or there will simply be nothing to return to. The country will collapse & the people with it, with the stress we’ve all been under over the last few months.
It’s not reasonable to expect mass blind compliance for much longer.
People need hope.
I am way more fearful of the consequences of people rebelling & flouting the rules completely because they can’t take any more, than I am of a controlled reopening of society with clear guidelines for everyone.

road_high wrote: »

Unless he's going around licking the paint brushes then it's highly unlikely I would think.

If he sneezes on the Hyacinths people will die!

martingriff wrote: »

No it doesn't. Just because you can not be in front of someone does not mean you can not be social. My family have a Whattss app group and we chat daily. So have I one with ones I work with. 1 of them is home and is scared stiff due to an underlying health issue but I call and we talk every day. I take part in discord chats come here to see what people are doing. So you can still be social just in different ways. You just have to think

Exactly.

I have a morning coffee at least once a week with my work colleague, lunch another day with other work colleagues and a couple of drinks every Saturday night with mates. All done through Zoom/WhatsApp etc