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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #1262
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Some serious rhetoric here I've seen repeated plenty.

    We can stay at home, only making essential trips out for supplies for as long as is required, it's pretty easy actually. We don't need lattes or to go to bowling alleys.

    The economic point is debatable. Most businesses are pretty happy at the moment with government paying their workers and shielding them from eating the costs of vastly reduced business, they certainly wouldn't appreciate that being removed until we reach a point where the majority feel confident to mingle in public again.
    In terms of the national picture, a single lockdown with a steady recovery after is in all of our best interests. A lockdown - open - lockdown ping pong game serves nobody.

    Not to be callous but in terms of mental health that's an issue for you to deal with. It's a pandemic, it's not a happy time and most people are going to feel the effects of it. If you're only bemoaning boredom and quality of life then I think you're fortunate it's not much worse to be mourning relatives in isolation or fighting for your own life.

    Everything about this post is embarrassing.


  • #1263
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    What is your alternative? lock people inside for years and years until there is a vaccine

    People aren't locked inside. A 2km radius circle is a big area. About 12 square kilometers. We've access to all the food and booze we could ever want. TV on demand, internet, deliveries to our door. It's an inconvenience and somewhat socially isolating. But in the short term (3-4 months) it's well within the capabilities of any human with even a modicum of self discipline


  • #1264
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Sorry, I Just want to clarify it was Kermit de frog, not Bandit Luke who was talking about toxic joggers sweat on footpaths.
    I got it wrong Bandit Luke, I apologise.

    No your grand, i also think they are toxic.


  • #1265
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Benimar wrote: »
    That won’t work without Strict enforcement of the current lockdown. A number of people have already decided the lockdown is over, to tell them it definitely is on May 5th would only exacerbate the situation, and more people will ‘relax’

    The only way to stop more and more people breaking lockdown early is to come down hard on those who do.

    To be honest I’d support a full lockdown (No movement except for essential supplies) for 10 days at this stage (To keep the idiots off the streets) if it meant current restrictions could definitely be eased on the 5th.

    I see your point in the 1st paragraph. I don't see them coming down hard as they want to see the goodwill they still have remaining as unfortunately a further lockdown may happen. A full lockdown like that will not happen, as those who are working now have to work for the to function regardless


  • #1266
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    so do people agree that restauraunts may open with liited capacity? i wonder will this work and would it be economical? id say they would all be at capacity for the first month mid week and all

    The way I look at it is that there is no difference between say Dunnes and a restaurant if social distancing is applied. Economically speaking, from a business point a view, unless they increase their prices and/or receive more orders online then it won't be a viable option.


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  • #1267
    JoeA3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,550 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    alwald wrote: »
    Nope because this is when I stopped reading your post waffle.

    What’s the fcuking point of a post like this other than fishing for a few likes from one of your virtual bunker buddies?

    Waffle indeed. :rolleyes:


  • #1268
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    I see in the UK the aim is to spread the work and workers over 7 days. A certain amount do X days and then the other group do the other days

    Seems a good idea to aid distancing and hopefully face coverings


  • #1269
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    almostover wrote: »
    People aren't locked inside. A 2km radius circle is a big area. About 12 square kilometers. We've access to all the food and booze we could ever want. TV on demand, internet, deliveries to our door. It's an inconvenience and somewhat socially isolating. But in the short term (3-4 months) it's well within the capabilities of any human with even a modicum of self discipline

    It's easy for you to say this when you probably live with your family! Some people live alone and are more than 2KM from family and friends


  • #1270
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Get on with it and live our lives, adopt the Korean model

    It's a bad comparison IMO because they were more prepared than us and they tested aggressively from the beginning.


  • #1271
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Clearly the lockdown merchants don’t care about people’s mental health and livelihoods going to ruin as a result of these measures

    Death is final and the only thing we can't recover from. Limiting it as a result of this virus trump any other consideration. The economy will recover and people's mental health will too.


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  • #1272
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    but what about waiters coming to the table for orders ? do you go to the bar to order? it could be done easily enoough i suppose


  • #1273
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    martingriff wrote: »
    Of course people care about people mental health and the economy (there own jobs) but they also care about not letting this get out of control and another lockdown having to be done.

    As for people mental health there is loads someone can do. Ring people, plenty of apps to facetime, Skype, of there with your 2km radius give them a wave and hello through the window.

    I be concerned about domestic violence also but again people can help by reporting anything they hear or see

    Waving at someone through a window isn't going to solve losing employment, losing whatever sport or club one might be part of and losing a sense of purpose in their lives which is what many are facing.

    You haven't a clue my poor friend.


  • #1274
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    What’s the fcuking point of a post like this other than fishing for a few likes from one of your virtual bunker buddies?

    Waffle indeed. :rolleyes:

    Likes are the least important things in my life...my point is that your post was based on your own feelings and not facts...I hope you understand the difference between the two!!


  • #1275
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    It's easy for you to say this when you probably live with your family! Some people live alone and are more than 2KM from family and friends

    Nope haven't seen anyone other than my girlfriend and our housemate since the weekend before Paddy's day. Not face to face at least. I work in an essential service but mostly working from home. Have met the same 2-3 people at work briefly and at a distance and no more. My sister contracted this virus as a healthcare worker and it's no joke. Recovered now thankfully but I'd like to see people take some responsibility for the safety of others. That's all.


  • #1276
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    It's easy for you to say this when you probably live with your family! Some people live alone and are more than 2KM from family and friends

    Prime Time had interviews with people in small apartments last night and to say it didn't look pleasant was an understatement.

    Easy to talk about how simple this is if you have a house, garden, family with you, or are just used to your own company anyway.


  • #1277
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    I certainly hope you shouted out the window to ask their eircode or paddy green will be disappointed?

    Im going to say that Paddygreen has kept me smiling all day. That guy is a legend. I really hope its not a parody and that somebody, somewhere is standing on his upstairs landing, sanitary pad on face, landing window open, and shouting at folk on the green outside, asking what their eircode is


  • #1278
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    almostover wrote: »
    People aren't locked inside. A 2km radius circle is a big area. About 12 square kilometers. We've access to all the food and booze we could ever want. TV on demand, internet, deliveries to our door. It's an inconvenience and somewhat socially isolating. But in the short term (3-4 months) it's well within the capabilities of any human with even a modicum of self discipline

    Dear oh dear oh dear my poor friend how can you believe this nonsense.

    Many people don't see sitting in watching the tv and going on the internet as a way to live their lives.

    Life is short enough as it is, we've gone through 5 weeks of this already.

    Of course it could be done short term if there was an end in sight.

    But there is no cure or vaccine my poor friend so we either learn to live with the virus or stay in our houses until we die ourselves.

    Yourself and your poor friend luke the bandit might feel safe in your bunkers but don't expect the rest of the world to wait it out with you my poor man


  • #1279
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Some serious rhetoric here I've seen repeated plenty.

    We can stay at home, only making essential trips out for supplies for as long as is required, it's pretty easy actually. We don't need lattes or to go to bowling alleys.

    The economic point is debatable. Most businesses are pretty happy at the moment with government paying their workers and shielding them from eating the costs of vastly reduced business, they certainly wouldn't appreciate that being removed until we reach a point where the majority feel confident to mingle in public again.
    In terms of the national picture, a single lockdown with a steady recovery after is in all of our best interests. A lockdown - open - lockdown ping pong game serves nobody.

    Not to be callous but in terms of mental health that's an issue for you to deal with. It's a pandemic, it's not a happy time and most people are going to feel the effects of it. If you're only bemoaning boredom and quality of life then I think you're fortunate it's not much worse to be mourning relatives in isolation or fighting for your own life.

    Mental health is something everyone can help other out and it just not a deal with it yourself problem. You can reach out to people ring them, text then, Skype them, play video game online with them, if they are within your 2km zone a hello through the window and a wave could do wonders. We are in this together


  • #1280
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    so do people agree that restauraunts may open with liited capacity? i wonder will this work and would it be economical? id say they would all be at capacity for the first month mid week and all

    Even when they do open I’m not so sure they’ll all be at capacity. People will want to go back to normal as much as possible but I can see some being put off sitting in a “packed” restaurant in the short term anyway. That and there’ll be a lot less disposable income going around.


  • #1281
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Prime Time had interviews with people in small apartments last night and to say it didn't look pleasant was an understatement.

    Easy to talk about how simple this is if you have a house, garden, family with you, or are just used to your own company anyway.

    I seen that. Some people have vastly different lives


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  • #1282
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    trapp wrote: »
    Waving at someone through a window isn't going to solve losing employment, losing whatever sport or club one might be part of and losing a sense of purpose in their lives which is what many are facing.

    You haven't a clue my poor friend.

    All those losses would pale in comparison to losing a loved one to the virus.


  • #1283
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    martingriff wrote: »
    Of course people care about people mental health and the economy (there own jobs) but they also care about not letting this get out of control and another lockdown having to be done.

    As for people mental health there is loads someone can do. Ring people, plenty of apps to facetime, Skype, of there with your 2km radius give them a wave and hello through the window.

    I be concerned about domestic violence also but again people can help by reporting anything they hear or see

    Whatever about the jobs argument as I do empathise with anyone out of work due to the situation although loosening restrictions will do nothing for a lot of jobs anyway imo as tourism is shot for the summer, bars won't be reopened and a lot of people will be fearful of living life as normal.

    But the mental health argument, and I say this as someone who's attempted suicide multiple times, diagnosed with major depressive disorder and social anxiety disorder, and have been going to therapy for 15 years on and off, is something I really don't buy.

    We're in a **** situation but it's not unlivable as I've seen a few people saying suicide will increase. We have to social distance but no one here should be fully isolating, you can get out for short bits of exercise and plenty of technology to communicate with people.

    Either my history (I've gone through longer periods than this with even less social contact, which means this is more than normal for me) has made me more mentally equipped to deal with this, or we've got some serious undiagnosed mental health issues in this country with the rhetoric going around.


  • #1284
    Zetor19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    When will big sports events be back and pubs open now that people are standing up to this ridiculous lock down?


  • #1285
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

    I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

    The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

    It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

    They need to take that Holohan lad off air asap. I can't stand him and his pontificating. I'm sick listening to him, hearing about him. He wasn't elected by any of us (but i can smell a Seanad nomination in the offing), he has no authority to speak on matters of law and order/governance. If that other lemon Drew Harris wants to lecture us let him do it.
    The media re so completely rubbish and compliant. Maybe we need to pay again for good journalism? Because it appears to be a dead profession now in this country.


  • #1286
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    martingriff wrote: »
    Mental health is something everyone can help other out and it just not a deal with it yourself problem. You can reach out to people ring them, text then, Skype them, play video game online with them, if they are within your 2km zone a hello through the window and a wave could do wonders. We are in this together

    Sure, but ultimately we shouldn't be compromising best medical practice because it's unpleasant. It's something the individual needs to handle and hopefully with some help and assistance from friends and family.


  • #1287
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    martingriff wrote: »
    Mental health is something everyone can help other out and it just not a deal with it yourself problem. You can reach out to people ring them, text then, Skype them, play video game online with them, if they are within your 2km zone a hello through the window and a wave could do wonders. We are in this together

    You don't seem to have much comprehension of what mental health problems actually entail. It is not merely being lonely...


  • #1288
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    The lockdown advocates must not have much else going on in their lives. This is the most interesting thing to ever happen to them.

    Probably the same gob****es going on about "self isolating" back in early February.


  • #1289
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    almostover wrote: »
    All those losses would pale in comparison to losing a loved one to the virus.

    That is debatable.

    It sounds terrible to say but how many would willingly give up their jobs and become dependent on the state to save an elderly relative for another year or two?

    And how many of the elderly relatives would, if given the choice, see their grandchildren's lives ruined to keep them alive for a little while longer?

    Everybody dies my poor man, it's the one certainty in life that none of us can avoid.


  • #1290
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    doylefe wrote: »
    The lockdown advocates must not have much else going on in their lives. This is the most interesting thing to ever happen to them.

    Probably the same gob****es going on about "self isolating" back in early February.

    What have you got going on in your life that justifies spreading a deadly virus and potentially killing people?


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  • #1291
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    titan18 wrote: »
    Whatever about the jobs argument as I do empathise with anyone out of work due to the situation although loosening restrictions will do nothing for a lot of jobs anyway imo as tourism is shot for the summer, bars won't be reopened and a lot of people will be fearful of living life as normal.

    But the mental health argument, and I say this as someone who's attempted suicide multiple times, diagnosed with major depressive disorder and social anxiety disorder, and have been going to therapy for 15 years on and off, is something I really don't buy.

    We're in a **** situation but it's not unlivable as I've seen a few people saying suicide will increase. We have to social distance but no one here should be fully isolating, you can get out for short bits of exercise and plenty of technology to communicate with people.

    Either my history (I've gone through longer periods than this with even less social contact, which means this is more than normal for me) has made me more mentally equipped to deal with this, or we've got some serious undiagnosed mental health issues in this country with the rhetoric going around.

    Total respect for you being honest and upfront...a lot of people were using suicide/depression as an excuse to ease the restrictions, and quite frankly I didn't want to reply as it's not a topic that I master quite well but your post is enlightening!!


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