Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Spanish Eyes · 23-04-2020 08:57PM

doylefe wrote: »

Can't wait for that creamy pint on the 5th.

Sounds lovely. Where will that be so we can all join you :P

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 09:02PM

Tony Holohan was crystal clear today that if this was the 5th of May nothing could be relaxed. They need a lot more progress.

It's going to depend on people's behaviour between now and then and to be honest, those who want the restrictions lifted, are doing themselves a disservice every time they encourage people that it's all grand now and you should prepare for some big change in May. (there won't be big change in May in any case incidentally so I don't know where that opinion comes from)

Because human nature is more and more people will take risks before then in anticipation and this goes on to threaten lives of the most vulnerable.

It's not a good signal to be giving at this time.

snowcat · 23-04-2020 09:06PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Tony Holohan was crystal clear today that if this was the 5th of May nothing could be relaxed. They need a lot more progress.

It's going to depend on people's behaviour between now and then and to be honest, those who want the restrictions lifted, are doing themselves a disservice every time they encourage people that it's all grand now and you should prepare for some big change in May. (there won't be big change in May in any case incidentally so I don't know where that opinion comes from)

Because human nature is more and more people will take risks before then in anticipation and this goes on to threaten lives of the most vulnerable.

It's not a good signal to be giving at this time.

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

alwald · 23-04-2020 09:06PM

GazzaL wrote: »

You said yourself, businesses can re-open once they use social distancing and hygiene procedures. People are adhering to social distancing, there's now plenty of hand sanitiser on the market. Everybody can crack on so.

I decided a long time ago to not engage in a discussion with trolls, especially those that bring nothing interesting to the table bar the same recycled, old, boring and repetitive waffle. You are not worth the effort nor the time

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Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 09:08PM

snowcat wrote: »

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

I understand but like I said it depends on people's behaviour ultimately.

The only way to keep spread suppressed is to stay apart.

That gives the best chance of some changes in May.

LiquidZeb · 23-04-2020 09:12PM

snowcat wrote: »

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

Ah no don't worry the usual suspects will be along to browbeat you, tell you to get over it and ask you if you want to kill old people by stepping outside.

GazzaL · 23-04-2020 09:14PM

snowcat wrote: »

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

People would be surprised by the amount of men who admit they are struggling at the moment. Given how difficult it is for men to admit that they're struggling, there are certainly multiples more who are in the same boat but wouldn't admit it.

We will destroy our country, our economy, our society, and countless lives if we don't attempt to return to a certain level of normality with social distancing included.

GazzaL · 23-04-2020 09:15PM

alwald wrote: »

I decided a long time ago to not engage in a discussion with trolls, especially those that bring nothing interesting to the table bar the same recycled, old, boring and repetitive waffle. You are not worth the effort nor the time .

I'm a troll for agreeing with you that businesses can safely re-open?

snowcat · 23-04-2020 09:15PM

alwald wrote: »

Maybe you will get it after reading it 5 or 6 times :pac:

This is the person who believes that China had 1 case per million of population. They will revise that figure in line with the rest of the world until it seems like they have done a great task. A lovely bell curve up and down to zero cases. Right yeah Right

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 09:17PM

GazzaL wrote: »

We will destroy our country, our economy, our society, and countless lives if we don't attempt to return to a certain level of normality with social distancing included.

That's why people need to use their cop on and maintain there discipline for the next couple of weeks.

We get out of the nightmare sooner if people hold their nerve for another couple of weeks when, hopefully, some easing happens.

nj27 · 23-04-2020 09:21PM

I'd be conscious of the fact that he has to maintain a message vigilance during lockdown, and that people may perceive him saying that some restrictions would be lifted on May 5th based on today's stats to mean the battle is all but won, which could result in a relaxation in general adherence to the measures. I hate the vibe of being treated like a child who has to be scared into compliance, but the reality is a large portion of the population act like that so if the shoe fits...

Galwayguy35 · 23-04-2020 09:23PM

People will start to lose patience if there is not some easing of restrictions on May 5th, telling us to "stay the course" will only work for so long.

snowcat · 23-04-2020 09:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's why people need to use their cop on and maintain there discipline for the next couple of weeks.

We get out of the nightmare sooner if people hold their nerve for another couple of weeks when, hopefully, some easing happens.

No we are not. It has been confirmed that if we relax at any stage the nightmare gets worse. And there is no cure or vaccine so why are we doing this?

KrustyUCC · 23-04-2020 09:26PM

The vast vast majority are still doing as their told

There's only so much we can be told that we're doing so so we'll, flattening the curve, but not well enough

Here's another 2,4,6 weeks of the same and maybe we might do a small opening

But you can't travel, see family, friends, those in relationships

Where's the reward for the effort?

That will also put people off

Sure what's the point?

Irish Aris · 23-04-2020 09:27PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's why people need to use their cop on and maintain there discipline for the next couple of weeks.

We get out of the nightmare sooner if people hold their nerve for another couple of weeks when, hopefully, some easing happens.

I will admit that I will be very disappointed if there is no easing at all after the bank holiday weekend. I have been adhering to the restrictions and starting missing meeting with my friends. Video calls are ok but can only get you that far. . . fingers crossed. . .

RugbyLad11 · 23-04-2020 09:28PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People will start to lose patience if there is not some easing of restrictions on May 5th, telling us to "stay the course" will only work for so long.

Exactly! there is only so long people can go without see friends and family

snowcat · 23-04-2020 09:29PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The vast vast majority are still doing as their told

There's only so much we can be told that we're doing so so we'll, flattening the curve, but not well enough

Here's another 2,4,6 weeks of the same and maybe we might do a small opening

But you can't travel, see family, friends, those in relationships

Where's the reward for the effort?

That will also put people off

Sure what's the point?

Yes my elderly parents have said there is not much point in living if they can not live.

KrustyUCC · 23-04-2020 09:34PM

snowcat wrote: »

Yes my elderly parents have said there is not much point in living if they can not live.

That's a difficult one alright

snowcat · 23-04-2020 09:34PM

snowcat wrote: »

Yes my elderly parents have said there is not much point in living if they can not live.

Was walking the dog today. Was disturbed passing an old couple going for a walk and being openly chastised by a neighbour for going out.

Galwayguy35 · 23-04-2020 09:35PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Exactly! there is only so long people can go without see friends and family

Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.

road_high · 23-04-2020 09:36PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People will start to lose patience if there is not some easing of restrictions on May 5th, telling us to "stay the course" will only work for so long.

Agreed. I think most people are sick and tired of these endless cliches. Life must begin to return to normal ASAP. Else there’ll be nothing left to return to

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 09:36PM

GazzaL wrote: »

If the incubation period is up to 14 days, which is what we've been told, and we've been in lockdown for more than 14 days, and R0 is already where it needs to be

This point makes no sense. The incubation period of the disease has no bearing at all on the lock down measures (it's not actually a "lock down" - bit of an over dramatisation)

you can't expect people to sit on their hands for weeks and weeks beyond that timeframe

Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 09:37PM

road_high wrote: »

Agreed. I think most people are sick and tired of these endless cliches. Life must begin to return to normal ASAP. Else there’ll be nothing left to return to

We can put our shoulder to the wheel and remove the stone of lockdown come May5th.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 09:37PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I will admit that I will be very disappointed if there is no easing at all after the bank holiday weekend. I have been adhering to the restrictions and starting missing meeting with my friends. Video calls are ok but can only get you that far. . . fingers crossed. . .

Be like Irish Aris :cool:

road_high · 23-04-2020 09:37PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.

I heard Holohan this eve pouring cold water on things. Same guy who opposed nursing home restrictions earlier on.
Did Varadkar come out with the same?

RugbyLad11 · 23-04-2020 09:38PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.

They have to at least remove some restrictions, such as the 2km limit.

The 2km limit is an absolute joke and mean couple living separate cannot see each other etc

Cork Boy 53 · 23-04-2020 09:39PM

doylefe wrote: »

Can't wait for that creamy pint on the 5th.

Why is that? Are you setting up a shebeen in your back garden or something? Because you certainly won`t be getting one in any pub anywhere on the 5th May or any other time in the foreseeable future. Not legally anyway.

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 09:39PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This point makes no sense. The incubation period of the disease has no bearing at all on the lock down measures (it's not actually a "lock down" - bit of an over dramatisation)

Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

Lots of men and women would have no issue in a war. Its basic fight or flight. We have chosen flight. Some are not predestined to do that, its not natural for some.

road_high · 23-04-2020 09:39PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We can put our shoulder to the wheel and remove the stone of lockdown come May5th.

That’s if the control freaks “allow us”. And they have plenty of support for continuing this bankrupting insanity

FintanMcluskey · 23-04-2020 09:39PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Why is that? Are you setting up a shebeen in your back garden or something? Because you certainly won`t be getting one in any pub anywhere on the 5th May or any other time in the foreseeable future. Not legally anyway.

Double check the legality part

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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