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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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KrustyUCC

The vast vast majority are still doing as their told

There's only so much we can be told that we're doing so so we'll, flattening the curve, but not well enough

Here's another 2,4,6 weeks of the same and maybe we might do a small opening

But you can't travel, see family, friends, those in relationships

Where's the reward for the effort?

That will also put people off

Sure what's the point?

snowcat

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's why people need to use their cop on and maintain there discipline for the next couple of weeks.

We get out of the nightmare sooner if people hold their nerve for another couple of weeks when, hopefully, some easing happens.

No we are not. It has been confirmed that if we relax at any stage the nightmare gets worse. And there is no cure or vaccine so why are we doing this?

Galwayguy35

People will start to lose patience if there is not some easing of restrictions on May 5th, telling us to "stay the course" will only work for so long.

nj27

I'd be conscious of the fact that he has to maintain a message vigilance during lockdown, and that people may perceive him saying that some restrictions would be lifted on May 5th based on today's stats to mean the battle is all but won, which could result in a relaxation in general adherence to the measures. I hate the vibe of being treated like a child who has to be scared into compliance, but the reality is a large portion of the population act like that so if the shoe fits...

Kermit.de.frog

GazzaL wrote: »

We will destroy our country, our economy, our society, and countless lives if we don't attempt to return to a certain level of normality with social distancing included.

That's why people need to use their cop on and maintain there discipline for the next couple of weeks.

We get out of the nightmare sooner if people hold their nerve for another couple of weeks when, hopefully, some easing happens.

snowcat

alwald wrote: »

Maybe you will get it after reading it 5 or 6 times :pac:

This is the person who believes that China had 1 case per million of population. They will revise that figure in line with the rest of the world until it seems like they have done a great task. A lovely bell curve up and down to zero cases. Right yeah Right

GazzaL

alwald wrote: »

I decided a long time ago to not engage in a discussion with trolls, especially those that bring nothing interesting to the table bar the same recycled, old, boring and repetitive waffle. You are not worth the effort nor the time .

I'm a troll for agreeing with you that businesses can safely re-open?

GazzaL

snowcat wrote: »

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

People would be surprised by the amount of men who admit they are struggling at the moment. Given how difficult it is for men to admit that they're struggling, there are certainly multiples more who are in the same boat but wouldn't admit it.

We will destroy our country, our economy, our society, and countless lives if we don't attempt to return to a certain level of normality with social distancing included.

LiquidZeb

snowcat wrote: »

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

Ah no don't worry the usual suspects will be along to browbeat you, tell you to get over it and ask you if you want to kill old people by stepping outside.

Kermit.de.frog

snowcat wrote: »

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

I understand but like I said it depends on people's behaviour ultimately.

The only way to keep spread suppressed is to stay apart.

That gives the best chance of some changes in May.

alwald

GazzaL wrote: »

You said yourself, businesses can re-open once they use social distancing and hygiene procedures. People are adhering to social distancing, there's now plenty of hand sanitiser on the market. Everybody can crack on so.

I decided a long time ago to not engage in a discussion with trolls, especially those that bring nothing interesting to the table bar the same recycled, old, boring and repetitive waffle. You are not worth the effort nor the time

snowcat

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Tony Holohan was crystal clear today that if this was the 5th of May nothing could be relaxed. They need a lot more progress.

It's going to depend on people's behaviour between now and then and to be honest, those who want the restrictions lifted, are doing themselves a disservice every time they encourage people that it's all grand now and you should prepare for some big change in May. (there won't be big change in May in any case incidentally so I don't know where that opinion comes from)

Because human nature is more and more people will take risks before then in anticipation and this goes on to threaten lives of the most vulnerable.

It's not a good signal to be giving at this time.

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

Kermit.de.frog

Tony Holohan was crystal clear today that if this was the 5th of May nothing could be relaxed. They need a lot more progress.

It's going to depend on people's behaviour between now and then and to be honest, those who want the restrictions lifted, are doing themselves a disservice every time they encourage people that it's all grand now and you should prepare for some big change in May. (there won't be big change in May in any case incidentally so I don't know where that opinion comes from)

Because human nature is more and more people will take risks before then in anticipation and this goes on to threaten lives of the most vulnerable.

It's not a good signal to be giving at this time.

Spanish Eyes

doylefe wrote: »

Can't wait for that creamy pint on the 5th.

Sounds lovely. Where will that be so we can all join you :P

snowcat

the kelt wrote: »

General question?

Does anyone have an idea of which countries actually record deaths and cases pretty much similar?

For example comparing our rates of deaths etc to that of the uk seems pretty pointless when they don’t include deaths in nursing homes.

It’s like saying I’m the premiership that we won’t consider any goals that Man City conceded away from home but the others do!

Just wondering if anyone has any idea?

Belgium France and ourselves do, Belgium are going to start revising down their figures soon as they have possible over estimation same as Ireland.

bloodless_coup

Can't wait for that creamy pint on the 5th.

GazzaL

the kelt wrote: »

General question?

Does anyone have an idea of which countries actually record deaths and cases pretty much similar?

For example comparing our rates of deaths etc to that of the uk seems pretty pointless when they don’t include deaths in nursing homes.

It’s like saying I’m the premiership that we won’t consider any goals that Man City conceded away from home but the others do!

Just wondering if anyone has any idea?

I don't, but I thought the exact same thing watching the UK update. You then have people manipulating our more accurate figures to try to justify destroying people's lives socially and economically.

the kelt

General question?

Does anyone have an idea of which countries actually record deaths and cases pretty much similar?

For example comparing our rates of deaths etc to that of the uk seems pretty pointless when they don’t include deaths in nursing homes.

It’s like saying I’m the premiership that we won’t consider any goals that Man City conceded away from home but the others do!

Just wondering if anyone has any idea?

Spencer Brown

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Post of the day, week whatever.

Ah yes because people are great at doing what they are supposed to do / not doing what they are not supposed to do :rolleyes:

Spanish Eyes

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134455-education-covid-exams/

Great news
Means schools are going to open soon

Another victory for the normals
Another defeat for the work shy

Back in your quack box mate. It doesn't mean anything of the sort, and it can change very quickly to a different timescale. Invigilators need to be on board, and social distancing, and avoidance of meeting in groups outside the exam halls as is usual, and getting the darlings to and from the exam halls.

I dunno. Hope it works out.

GazzaL

alwald wrote: »

Maybe you will get it after reading it 5 or 6 times :pac:

You said yourself, businesses can re-open once they use social distancing and hygiene procedures. People are adhering to social distancing, there's now plenty of hand sanitiser on the market. Everybody can crack on so.

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

He shouldn't have the need to scare anyone. People should have cop on.

Post of the day, week whatever.

alwald

GazzaL wrote: »

So you're saying everywhere can re-open once they use social distancing? I'm sure everyone will sign up to that.

It stands to reason that if you test more people you will detect more cases, that's a positive thing. You need to look at our death statistics in more detail, and focus in on what we can do in relation to PPE and support for nursing homes. Going off your statistics and analysis, we are ready to get people back to work but must continue with social distancing which is easily achievable, and we must do our utmost to support the elderly and vulnerable.

Maybe you will get it after reading it 5 or 6 times :pac:

lord quackinton

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134455-education-covid-exams/

Great news
Means schools are going to open soon

Another victory for the normals
Another defeat for the work shy

trapp

lord quackinton wrote: »

The medical profession is full of very intelligent but ultimately arrogant people who suffer with a God complex
The German SS had many doctors as members
Strange as this seems to many of you They are enjoying this crisis , it makes them the centre of attention
Witness their behaviour in lecturing the people on how they should behave, well outside their scope
They should report to the government who report to us , we should be hearing nothing directly from Holohan and co

Should we take advice from them yes but we cannot be ruled by them
They are not elected by us and we are not answerable to them

That's a load of nonsense my poor man.

I would however agree with your general point which I highlighted.

It seems Holahan, Nolan etc are running the country.

There does need to be more input, as time goes on, from other areas of concern.

GazzaL

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

So you're saying everywhere can re-open once they use social distancing? I'm sure everyone will sign up to that.

It stands to reason that if you test more people you will detect more cases, that's a positive thing. You need to look at our death statistics in more detail, and focus in on what we can do in relation to PPE and support for nursing homes. Going off your statistics and analysis, we are ready to get people back to work but must continue with social distancing which is easily achievable, and we must do our utmost to support the elderly and vulnerable.

lord quackinton

The medical profession is full of very intelligent but ultimately arrogant people who suffer with a God complex
The German SS had many doctors as members
Strange as this seems to many of you They are enjoying this crisis , it makes them the centre of attention
Witness their behaviour in lecturing the people on how they should behave, well outside their scope
They should report to the government who report to us , we should be hearing nothing directly from Holohan and co

Should we take advice from them yes but we cannot be ruled by them
They are not elected by us and we are not answerable to them

snowcat

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

And we are doing fine. Why the panic

[Deleted User]

pjohnson wrote: »

Well if the idiots cant stay in then that may lead to things being extended for everyone. They'll grumble about "lockdown nazi's" but in reality it'd be themselves to blame.

Exactly this. They'll all be the first to start whingeing.

Strumms

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

So we are firmly in the top 10 countries in terms of 10k or more cases per one million population. That sentence alone might awaken a few brain cells amongst the ‘to hell with restrictions’ brigade.