Relaxation of restrictions Part II

walshb

I am sure it's been mentioned and I am sure most will agree, but there is a general public relaxation going on the past few days...well, at least around me.

is_that_so

BanditLuke wrote: »

You can't 100% guarantee that. Stop talking sh1te

On balance and with R0 now down to 0.5 there's a very good chance the current restriction will be lifted come 5 May. For everything else and assuming no huge leap in cases it will be very slow. I reckon a draft of the plan will be out by the middle of next week. My guess is adjustments every two weeks.

gauchesnell

walshb wrote: »

I am sure it's been mentioned and I am sure most will agree, but there is a general public relaxation going on the past few days...well, at least around me.

Personally I think it is lockdown fatique. It is draining

gauchesnell

JJJJNR wrote: »

It'll be very much socialise at your own risk, contact tracing in China has identified air conditioning as a hot spot for transmissions. The pubs / clubs will not be opening any time soon..

Time to buy a set of decks ,a generator and a sound system I think.

yes but also a risk to staff..do you think they will install sneeze guards in pubs like what we see in shops now.

is_that_so

gauchesnell wrote: »

Personally I think it is lockdown fatique. It is draining

We're at the edge of it now. It was mentioned very early on as a risk.

cnbyz

I wonder when will we be able to return to the office. I reckon that'd be the last to be lifted. Theres no way i am getting on a luas to get to work everyday.

rodders999

The R rate down to as low as .5 now. Great news, even the grief porn merchants will struggle to find a negative in that.

cnbyz

cnbyz wrote: »

I wonder when will we be able to return to the office. I reckon that'd be the last to be lifted. Theres no way i am getting on a luas to get to work everyday.

Returning to large corporate offices will be the last to return to normal I think. Or at least it should be. I’m certainly geared up to be WFH until September at the earliest. The economic cost of employees working from home compared to, say, the economic cost of self employed tradesmen not being able to work or retail being shut, is minimal. And so there is little to gain, and much to risk (in terms of R0) by pushing all the office commuters back into the Luas or bus

is_that_so

rodders999 wrote: »

The R rate down to as low as .5 now. Great news, even the grief porn merchants will struggle to find a negative in that.

I wouldn't be so sure. Someone wondering whether it's a "crude" number and another poster demanding proof on the main thread!

gauchesnell

Deleted User wrote: »

Returning to large corporate offices will be the last to return to normal I think. Or at least it should be. I’m certainly geared up to be WFH until September at the earliest. The economic cost of employees working from home compared to, say, the economic cost of self employed tradesmen not being able to work or retail being shut, is minimal. And so there is little to gain, and much to risk (in terms of R0) by pushing all the office commuters back into the Luas or bus

oh dear

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Returning to large corporate offices will be the last to return to normal I think. Or at least it should be. I’m certainly geared up to be WFH until September at the earliest. The economic cost of employees working from home compared to, say, the economic cost of self employed tradesmen not being able to work or retail being shut, is minimal. And so there is little to gain, and much to risk (in terms of R0) by pushing all the office commuters back into the Luas or bus

Most people I know have been told there is a plan being developed and while not all of them will go in, everyone will be expected to make an appearance.

Cork Boy 53

Deleted User wrote: »

That you thought I was being serious is remarkable. There is no one in the land who thinks that might happen.

Actually there are some loonies who believe that is exactly what will happen.

gauchesnell

is_that_so wrote: »

We're at the edge of it now. It was mentioned very early on as a risk.

Yeah I am bored of it. Safety first etc but nope it is draining.

fly_agaric

aidoh wrote: »

Absolutely - this 2 km limit is killing me. I haven't seen my fiancee in nearly 6 weeks now. Same goes for family and friends. I'll be devastated if the 2 km limit isn't lifted on May 5th.

Assuming you must not live with any of those people...think that falls under recommendation of not socialising/meeting up with people outside your own household.

Afair that it is separate to the "2km" restriction though probably (as your comment suggests) once people are much freer to travel around the place, it might go by the board as well.

Gregor Samsa

cnbyz wrote: »

I wonder when will we be able to return to the office. I reckon that'd be the last to be lifted. Theres no way i am getting on a luas to get to work everyday.

My company's office in Germany is opening on a limited basis from next monday.

• Fully voluntary, anyone who wants to WFH still can.
• People who take public transport to work are not eligible to apply.
• Numbers will be restricted - max 8 people total at any one time (4 per “open space”, and there's 2 open spaces in the office).
• Social distancing will be observed.
• Certain areas (like meeting rooms, kitchen) will be closed.
• Deep clean of the office will be done first, with a rigorous cleaning regime ongoing.

They've said that when it gets to the point of our Irish office reopening, they'll implement similar measures. Both offices have about 40 employees. The public transport stipulation is relevant to the German office as the're in a major city, but our Irish office is in a medium sized town in the west, and no-one takes public transport here (because it basically doesn't exist).

Edit: We're technically classified as a provider of an essential service, although that is stretching the definition a bit. So there's a few of us that have letters saying we could go into the office, but we were also told that they were only to be used in an emergency or to do a task that absolutely can't be done from home. I haven't had any need to go in at all. We've also been fully set up for working from home for the past few years. We didn't miss a beat when the office closures were announced, and could continue to wfh indefinitely if we wanted to (a fair few people in the office already did, or only came in once every 2 weeks).

ixoy

Deleted User wrote: »

Returning to large corporate offices will be the last to return to normal I think. Or at least it should be. I’m certainly geared up to be WFH until September at the earliest. The economic cost of employees working from home compared to, say, the economic cost of self employed tradesmen not being able to work or retail being shut, is minimal. And so there is little to gain, and much to risk (in terms of R0) by pushing all the office commuters back into the Luas or bus

Agreed and hopefully employers see it this way or at least a compromise measure - at most allow only half the workers in the office. It might suit some of the workers to work away from home but you'll still need to social distance so spread them out. Reducing office numbers across the city will also reduce those on public transport and sure why not look into more flexibility, where not there now, on working hours.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Most people I know have been told there is a plan being developed and while not all of them will go in, everyone will be expected to make an appearance.

We are also talking about the number of teams (probably three - red, green and blue) and the rotation periods.....two weeks at a time in the office, then WFH again as the next team takes over. Starting toward the end of the summer.

I don’t think we will be back to normal office working for a long time

gauchesnell

I would like love to go back even for a day a week to see how that goes. My office is shared and is about the size of a box room with no window so dunno.

gauchesnell

Deleted User wrote: »

We are also talking about the number of teams (probably three - red, green and blue) and the rotation periods.....two weeks at a time in the office, then WFH again as the next team takes over. Starting toward the end of the summer.

I don’t think we will be back to normal office working for a long time

woah my workplace is currently moving away from individual offices to fully open plan. Oh dear

KrustyUCC

gauchesnell wrote: »

Personally I think it is lockdown fatique. It is draining

That's why even Harris said early on that lockdown can't be indefinite

They will have got almost 8 weeks of restrictions from the majority by the 5th of May

gauchesnell

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's why even Harris said early on that lockdown can't be indefinite

They will have got almost 8 weeks of restrictions from the majority by the 5th of May

well I look forward to hopefully seeing my family and friends. Maybe being able to leave Dublin.

simple things

KrustyUCC

fly_agaric wrote: »

Assuming you must not live with any of those people...think that falls under recommendation of not socialising/meeting up with people outside your own household.

Afair that it is separate to the "2km" restriction though probably (as your comment suggests) once people are much freer to travel around the place, it might go by the board as well.

That will have to go at some stage as well

You can't stick to just your family unit

KrustyUCC

gauchesnell wrote: »

well I look forward to hopefully seeing my family and friends. Maybe being able to leave Dublin.

simple things

Yes I'm similar

I want to be able to leave Cork and alternatively go to West Cork for family reasons

I might not get away with not seeing some people for over 2 months again

KrustyUCC

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That will have to go at some stage as well

You can't stick to just your family unit

Wasn’t that how it was in the period before this latest lockdown. You could meet someone not in your unit as long as you socially distanced

MonkieSocks

Maybe keep the present restrictions for another couple of months.

If we let this virus loose, it will be a bigger problem in the Autumn and Winter months, when it gets darker much earlier in the day.

gauchesnell

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes I'm similar

I want to be able to leave Cork and alternatively go to West Cork for family reasons

I might not get away with not seeing some people for over 2 months again

I know it sucks. I hope to actually move back home for a bit if I can - depending on the restrictions. I can work from home so take the opportunity if I can.

KrustyUCC

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wasn’t that how it was in the period before this latest lockdown. You could meet someone not in your unit as long as you socially distanced

Yes I think so

Belgium has something similar at the moment afaik

road_high

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Maybe keep the present restrictions for another couple of months.

If we let this virus loose, it will be a bigger problem in the Autumn and Winter months, when it gets darker much earlier in the day.

The choice being economic and social abyss of course

Does sunlight affect the virus or something?

Pitch n Putt

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Maybe keep the present restrictions for another couple of months.

If we let this virus loose, it will be a bigger problem in the Autumn and Winter months, when it gets darker much earlier in the day.

:P:P Cool joke. Maybe we should keep them for ever more. NOT!!

Lockdown as it’s called is over.

Our biggest problem now is the FEAR that’s after being put into people. That’s what’s going to take a long time to repair.

And it’s sad to see people afraid to be near others.

lord quackinton

Let’s get something straight
The state has told the pubs to close
It is only an instruction not a law
The insurance companies are not allowing claims by publicans business interruption
Pubs could open tomorrow and nothing and I mean nothing can be done about it
Even the idiot Simon Harris suggestion they will look carefully at pub licence renewals would be illegal in itself

I know 2 pubs I could go to right now and a knock gets me in for beers
I have advised both pubs to get a good solicitor and gather as many publicans as they can and all open up together
If they do they will be shamed by the nanny state Nazis and harassed by the law
But If they don’t they will in all likelihood never open again