Relaxation of restrictions Part II

lord quackinton

Let’s get something straight
The state has told the pubs to close
It is only an instruction not a law
The insurance companies are not allowing claims by publicans business interruption
Pubs could open tomorrow and nothing and I mean nothing can be done about it
Even the idiot Simon Harris suggestion they will look carefully at pub licence renewals would be illegal in itself

I know 2 pubs I could go to right now and a knock gets me in for beers
I have advised both pubs to get a good solicitor and gather as many publicans as they can and all open up together
If they do they will be shamed by the nanny state Nazis and harassed by the law
But If they don’t they will in all likelihood never open again

doylefe

doylefe wrote: »

No harm in driving down. 2km is completely arbitrary. The country will be pretty much open for business on the 5th. It's over.

Either you're from the future or speculating through your posterior. Overwhelming odds on the latter.

gauchesnell

lord quackinton wrote: »

Let’s get something straight
The state has told the pubs to close
It is only an instruction not a law
The insurance companies are not allowing claims by publicans business interruption
Pubs could open tomorrow and nothing and I mean nothing can be done about it
Even the idiot Simon Harris suggestion they will look carefully at pub licence renewals would be illegal in itself

I know 2 pubs I could go to right now and a knock gets me in for beers
I have advised both pubs to get a good solicitor and gather as many publicans as they can and all open up together
If they do they will be shamed by the nanny state Nazis and harassed by the law
But If they don’t they will in all likelihood never open again

good lord is that you gemma. Are you that desperate or a pint or are you a publican. A lot of anger over just not having the pub open.

why not do the same for schools or businesses

also laws can change. it could potentially be a public health risk. Why would anyone put their staff and customers at risk.

I am sure any environmental health officer would have something to say. Baffling.

Any publican who has staff and customers they care about wouldnt do such a thing.

Cop on

MonkieSocks

road_high wrote: »

The choice being economic and social abyss of course

Does sunlight affect the virus or something?

Don't know if sunlight affect the virus and didn't imply that or state that.

My point was.............

Imagine people being stuck in their homes in Autumn and Winter from early in the day.


Keep the restrictions, the economy can recover like every Country's economy will recover.

gauchesnell

WTF is it about pubs ( I understand people have businesses)

but seriously - schools, universities, shops - all workplaces want to reopen. People are cocooning. People cant see their families.

Why with the pubs being closed do people think we are in a Nazi state.

why would anyone do that do their friends and family for a pint is beyond me. None of this I dont care if I get it rubbish. The whole point is it is not about you.

Strumms

AdamD wrote: »

This shows your complete misunderstanding of how people go against this. If people want to stop adhering to the 'lockdown', it won't be a ****ing riot. They'll simply start socialising, meeting their friends etc.

No misunderstanding, I suggest the misunderstanding might be on your part, if mass non adherence to the regs happens then you will see an increased number Gardai on the streets, and if they need support implementing whatever restrictions are in place now and indeed in the future, the Army, civil defense could be an option. Ensuring the welfare of the state is an enshrined in their service mandate of both.

gauchesnell

gauchesnell wrote: »

WTF is it about pubs ( I understand people have businesses)

but seriously - schools, universities, shops - all workplaces want to reopen. People are cocooning. People cant see their families.

Why with the pubs being closed do people think we are in a Nazi state.

why would anyone do that do their friends and family for a pint is beyond me. None of this I dont care if I get it rubbish. The whole point is it is not about you.

yeah i don't get this. We can still buy drink anyway so its no big deal. Maybe for elderly men in rural areas its missed as there is no social outlet and this is sad. But I really want dentists to open as I broke a tooth during the week and my mouth is very sore. I was in the middle of other dental treatment when restrictions happened and have a temporary crown on too which wont last forever. This is more important than hairdressers (and I speak as a women). The dental health of the nation will go to hell after this.

gauchesnell

Deleted User wrote: »

yeah i don't get this. We can still buy drink anyway so its no big deal. Maybe for elderly men in rural areas its missed as there is no social outlet and this is sad. But I really want dentists to open as I broke a tooth during the week and my mouth is very sore. I was in the middle of other dental treatment when restrictions happened and have a temporary crown on too which wont last forever. This is more important than hairdressers (and I speak as a women). The dental health of the nation will go to hell after this.

Oh god yeah - any medical service is essential to reopen. Some though are open for emergencies.

My dad is cocooning and misses the local for sure. The whole pubs can open and nobody can do anything about it is annoying. Course they can. It would potentially be a public health matter.

who the hell needs a pint that badly. Open - go ahead. Put your family and friends - along with the bar workers at risk for a pint. WTF

28 people died today and the country is in lockdown. Perspective please.

Strumms

gauchesnell wrote: »

WTF is it about pubs ( I understand people have businesses)

but seriously - schools, universities, shops - all workplaces want to reopen. People are cocooning. People cant see their families.

Why with the pubs being closed do people think we are in a Nazi state.

why would anyone do that do their friends and family for a pint is beyond me. None of this I dont care if I get it rubbish. The whole point is it is not about you.

I think a lot of the lobbyists for the pubs reopening are either... publicans, related to publicans, customers whose relationships with their local bar/bars is maybe a little on the unhealthy side who don’t know what to be doing with themselves... it doesn’t take a fûcking Mensa member to realize that people congregating indoors in close proximity, in a hot atmosphere while consuming quantities of a substance that impairs judgement especially in a time of difficulty for the country and it’s people is something we can not really afford.

Mic 1972

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

:P:P Cool joke. Maybe we should keep them for ever more. NOT!!

Lockdown as it’s called is over.

Our biggest problem now is the FEAR that’s after being put into people. That’s what’s going to take a long time to repair.

And it’s sad to see people afraid to be near others.

Lockdown is not over, and numbers are on the increase
Even when the lockdown is lifted the virus is still around

HeidiHeidi

The CMO repeating, for about the fifth day in a row, that if today was May 5th they would be recommending to Government NOT to lift or relax any of the restrictions currently in place.

gauchesnell

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The CMO repeating, for about the fifth day in a row, that if today was May 5th they would be recommending to Government NOT to lift or relax any of the restrictions currently in place.

oh dear

I know it is just annoying - lockdown fatique.

Definitely lobbyists in it for sure with pubs.

The whole Ill open my pub if I want to mentality is tiring. Imagine a school saying that - screw you medical advice cmon in kids. I dont care I will do what I want.

Open your bloody pub if you feel that way. Pack them out and see what happens. The whole point is that you maybe dont care and you are fit and well but you could infect the whole pub.

HeidiHeidi

Still no substantial questioning (although the session still isn't over) about the level of testing happening...... my understanding is that testing is absolutely crucial to any prospective relaxation of restrictive measures.


Mabye it's because they're still mass-testing within the nursing/residential home system?

Stheno

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Still no substantial questioning (although the session still isn't over) about the level of testing happening...... my understanding is that testing is absolutely crucial to any prospective relaxation of restrictive measures.


Mabye it's because they're still mass-testing within the nursing/residential home system?

This week they were to use the nursing home to test over 50000 people
Next week they expect to do about 12000 tests a day

Think they will want to see how the testing works at least this week

fly_agaric

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That will have to go at some stage as well

You can't stick to just your family unit

Yes I'm sure it'll all go at some stage (I hope!), just that one (not spending time in close quarters with effective "strangers" for the purposes of spreading the virus around) seemed to me possibly more important than the 2km radius for outdoor exercise thing.

KrustyUCC

Yes think you're right there

KrustyUCC

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The CMO repeating, for about the fifth day in a row, that if today was May 5th they would be recommending to Government NOT to lift or relax any of the restrictions currently in place.

Is it a scare tactic?

Harris has said the Ro number is down again

I'm not sure what else anyone who are sticking to restrictions can do?

Also only so long they can keep saying we're doing so so well, flattening the curve, almost gone from the community but not good enough before the message loses its meaning

Pitch n Putt

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Lockdown is not over, and numbers are on the increase
Even when the lockdown is lifted the virus is still around

Never said the virus wouldn’t be around after lockdown is lifted. The virus is going to be around for years.

We can’t wait for it to go. The lockdown is over as in people have had enough. More people on the move as can be clearly seen.

People sick of being at home and told they can’t go here or there , while others move around for work etc.

Beechwoodspark

I get the strong feeling that doctor Holohan and by extension minister Harris are more and more cautious about lifting the restrictions.

Beechwoodspark

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The CMO repeating, for about the fifth day in a row, that if today was May 5th they would be recommending to Government NOT to lift or relax any of the restrictions currently in place.

This is my point. The lifting of restrictions is not a “done deal”.

Sawduck

gauchesnell wrote: »

WTF is it about pubs ( I understand people have businesses)

but seriously - schools, universities, shops - all workplaces want to reopen. People are cocooning. People cant see their families.

Why with the pubs being closed do people think we are in a Nazi state.

why would anyone do that do their friends and family for a pint is beyond me. None of this I dont care if I get it rubbish. The whole point is it is not about you.

Some people care about getting a pint more than they do about people dying or losing jobs it's weird

drunkmonkey

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This is my point. The lifting of restrictions is not a “done deal”.

It is, the RO is between 0.7 and 1 based on numbers from God knows when. That could have been the start of April. If we had real time data we'd probably be in a beer garden.
Disgraceful every reporter is just regurgating bull **** stats that are meaningless by the time they print them.
It's a done deal as the numbers will call bull on this yet, nice of WHO to widen the definition of a Covid death to include guesses, got to keep those numbers pumped up.

the kelt

gauchesnell wrote: »

WTF is it about pubs ( I understand people have businesses)

but seriously - schools, universities, shops - all workplaces want to reopen. People are cocooning. People cant see their families.

Why with the pubs being closed do people think we are in a Nazi state.

why would anyone do that do their friends and family for a pint is beyond me. None of this I dont care if I get it rubbish. The whole point is it is not about you.

To be fair I’ve seen one person upon here reference pubs and I’m pretty sure amongst others he’s just on a wind up.

Pitch n Putt

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This is my point. The lifting of restrictions is not a “done deal”.

Listening to Philip Nolan and Tony Holohan the two men who are now somehow running the country we’re destined for this half cooked lockdown for at least the June bank holiday weekend and probably up to September

They couldn’t have been any more cautious. What’s the number they’re aiming for ???

We can’t wait for zero cases which it seems they’re looking for.

We need a proper committee formed immediately with input from more people. We can’t let two people hold the country to ransom economically trying to achieve a number that’s not possible.

This is getting more serious than the virus alone.

gauchesnell

the kelt wrote: »

To be fair I’ve seen one person upon here reference pubs and I’m pretty sure amongst others he’s just on a wind up.

ah yeah I know...similar to a twitter bot

the kelt

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Never said the virus wouldn’t be around after lockdown is lifted. The virus is going to be around for years.

We can’t wait for it to go. The lockdown is over as in people have had enough. More people on the move as can be clearly seen.

People sick of being at home and told they can’t go here or there , while others move around for work etc.

It’s a crucial point.

I’m not sure whether people are on a wind up or they genuinely don’t understand the point in regards to the virus still being around no matter how severe and long the restrictions are. I think that people still think we have to eradicate it before we can move on.

The lockdown definitely won’t be over though, the nest case scenario will be the lifting of the 2km limit and the opening of more business that can operate safely. I can only see that being the next stage.

setanta1984

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The CMO repeating, for about the fifth day in a row, that if today was May 5th they would be recommending to Government NOT to lift or relax any of the restrictions currently in place.

He surely has to say this regardless, no?

I mean if he said that yeah, I would lift them today, then that would be the headline news in every media outlet and everyone would hear that and think "shur why not just lift them today so?" and the genie is out of the bottle.

For whatever reason 5th of May was the date picked a couple of weeks ago, they were never going to change anything before then so if they want to maintain it up to then, they have to keep that type of messaging. Regardless of what they may actually be thinking. Especially as they have been so far behind so many other countries in deciding/announcing any kind of roadmap.

never_mind

the kelt wrote: »

It’s a crucial point.

I’m not sure whether people are on a wind up or they genuinely don’t understand the point in regards to the virus still being around no matter how severe and long the restrictions are. I think that people still think we have to eradicate it before we can move on.

The lockdown definitely won’t be over though, the nest case scenario will be the lifting of the 2km limit and the opening of more business that can operate safely. I can only see that being the next stage.

I still laugh a little inside when I see people say lockdown.

drunkmonkey

The RO is now between 0.5 and 1, next stop between 0 and 4.99. FG hoping we all have Stockholm syndrome before then.

JTMan

Deleted User wrote: »

We are also talking about the number of teams (probably three - red, green and blue) and the rotation periods.....two weeks at a time in the office, then WFH again as the next team takes over. Starting toward the end of the summer.

Interesting, the bit I struggle with the 'rotating staff solution' are:
- I work for a company with 550 employees. 3 are in the office because their work cannot be done from home. What happens if one of these 3 get Covid-19? You are back to square one because they might have infected multiple staff groups.
- Even if you only have 1/3 of the staff in the office, how do you ensure 2 meter social distancing between tight desks in an open place office? Very difficult.
- If you hot desk, don't you cause cross contamination of work spaces? Is hot desking out? This will cause issues for offices with a lack of desks.
- Achieving social distancing walking around the office/at water coolers/in kitchens etc will be very difficult.

Can't see how a company could risk their staffs health by returning staff to the office, if staff have already proven that they can work from home, even if the staff are doing it voluntarily.