Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 01:51PM

The economic devastation across the US becomes ever more apparent with a further 4.42 million having lost their jobs this week. The rate of increase is down from over 5 million last week.

It brings the total who have lost their jobs over the last 4 weeks to 26.5 million.

By far the largest and quickest increase ever recorded.

Hector Savage · 23-04-2020 01:51PM

Angela Merkel saying it's just the beginning ... that's right, Germany has passed the peak but it;s just the beginning.
I swear some politicians are just loving the panic and misery

Seanachai · 23-04-2020 01:52PM

castletownman wrote: »

I am convinced (without sounding like a conspiracy theorist) that I had some strain similar to this at the tail-end of last year.

The worst persistent cough and flu-like symptoms for the longest sustained period I can remember. Had it in October and had a relapse so to speak around NYE. Couldn't shake my cough in between. Crackly noises in my chest and all.

People in my family circle seemed to pick it up too, although nowhere near as bad as mine. I laughed it off as man-flu during the peak so didn't miss work, apart from one day when I literally couldn't get off the toilet.

So if it was some variant of Covid-19, maybe I have built up antibodies. Although I am adhering to the guidelines so have limited interactions with anyone anyway.

Myself, my mother and one of my brothers had the same thing at Christmas, my mother had pneumonia. Myself and my brother had difficulty breathing, neither of us are asthmatic or smoke and I never get chest symptoms with a flu.

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 01:52PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Washington Post and CNN report that in New York the figures for survival once a patient infected with COVID-19 goes on a ventillator looks even lower than was initially reported. The data showed that 88% of coronavirus patients who were placed on ventilators in the state's largest health catchment didn’t survive.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/coronavirus-ventilator-patients-die/index.html

Hopefully this news doesn't get re-reported on Irish news outlets/papers/tv/media.

All it will do is cause panic. My understanding is that for lot of people, this infection can be treated at home. After some days, some people may need to go onto a hospital for treatment. I think the figures are 20%. Going to hospital doesn't necessarily mean ICU treatment. It might be for other treatment.

News like this will definitely cause panic in some people.

ek motor · 23-04-2020 01:53PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Coronavirus's don't cause strokes do they

The more we learn about this virus the more frightening it becomes.

Its looking increasingly likely this one does

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/blood-clot-coronavirus-covid-19-patient-lung-heart-kidney-2020-4%3famp

jesus_thats_gre · 23-04-2020 01:56PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Angela Merkel saying it's just the beginning ... that's right, Germany has passed the peak but it;s just the beginning.
I swear some politicians are just loving the panic and misery

What are you actually saying here? Are you suggesting that Merkel is one of those politicians?

What is your actual expectation here? You do realise that various measures will remain in place for many months - unless something massively unexpected occurs.

JP Liz V1 · 23-04-2020 01:57PM

ek motor wrote: »

Covid-19 causing sudden strokes in relatively young mild and asymptomatic cases according to New York neurosurgeon

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

Fcuking hell it gets worse

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 01:57PM

Seanachai wrote: »

Myself, my mother and one of my brothers had the same thing at Christmas, my mother had pneumonia. Myself and my brother had difficulty breathing, neither of us are asthmatic or smoke and I never get chest symptoms with a flu.

Would you be interested in getting an xray done privately. Surely an xray would confirm if you had it.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 23-04-2020 01:57PM

castletownman wrote: »

I am convinced (without sounding like a conspiracy theorist) that I had some strain similar to this at the tail-end of last year.

The worst persistent cough and flu-like symptoms for the longest sustained period I can remember. Had it in October and had a relapse so to speak around NYE. Couldn't shake my cough in between. Crackly noises in my chest and all.

People in my family circle seemed to pick it up too, although nowhere near as bad as mine. I laughed it off as man-flu during the peak so didn't miss work, apart from one day when I literally couldn't get off the toilet.

So if it was some variant of Covid-19, maybe I have built up antibodies. Although I am adhering to the guidelines so have limited interactions with anyone anyway.

It would be good news if it was around longer since some will have immunity (although the jury still out on that one).

It makes perfect sense that even if it began in Wuhan (and its believed to have been there well before December) that travel to and from the region will have spread it anyway prior to the virus being 'announced'.

Friend of mine had that dose in October too and was hospitalised twice over a 3 week period.

Never seen anything like it. Doctors said it was viral and his immune response was through the roof (which caused most of his problems during the illness).

We all got in in my house in December, albeit not as serious but bad enough.

poppers · 23-04-2020 01:58PM

Ash3070 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not surprised that it would be prioritised, however when medical professionals are waiting 3-5 days for results, the discrepancy is quite notable. If they can have this kind of turnaround time for high risk patients, then I feel that it should also be extended for medical professionals who are regularly interacting with compromised patients.

i agree but while its posible for staff to self isolate your granny needs her dialysis and cant.
if they just kept priortising staff when would the community tests get done

rm212 · 23-04-2020 02:06PM

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

I know it is a small and limited (potentially somewhat flawed) study so it can't be taken as gospel or anything, but even still, the findings there are bizarre and worrying...

A total of 368 patients were evaluated (HC, n=97; HC+AZ, n=113; no HC, n=158). Rates of death in the HC, HC+AZ, and no HC groups were 27.8%, 22.1%, 11.4%, respectively. Rates of ventilation in the HC, HC+AZ, and no HC groups were 13.3%, 6.9%, 14.1%, respectively.

Even for a small study of a few hundred, that increase in death rate where hydroxcholorquine is being administered as a treatment is massive and must have some significance surely. Definitely looks like the azithromycin assists in avoiding ventilation but the HC just seems to undo it when it comes to death rate. Or perhaps there was another reason why less in the HC+AZ group were ventilated?

mandrake04 · 23-04-2020 02:08PM

US2 wrote: »

Yes. More people have recovered from the virus than currently have it in active cases in Ireland

I fixed your post, as you forgot about the many many more who haven’t been confirmed yet.

23-04-2020 02:11PM

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 02:11PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Well-known bouncer where I'm from went to Cheltenham, his mother contracted it from him. She was making a good recovery and he had to be put into an induced coma to get the fluid out of his lungs, then when he was in the coma she got worse and died. He's still recovering but he's a bit better now. Incredibly tragic and preventable I don't know how anyone can live with that.

This is so sad and tragic

rm212 · 23-04-2020 02:12PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

Sorry to hear about that, may he RIP. I totally agree with you there, this virus is really showing the attitudes of some people towards human life.

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 02:12PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Did you live with your dad? Did you get the infection?

eagle eye · 23-04-2020 02:14PM

Flying Fox wrote:

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

Very sorry for you loss.
It's frightening how stupid so many are. That usually leads to them putting their own health in danger but now they are putting other people's lives at risk.

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 02:15PM

The nursing home first in America with these early infections, people went from symptoms to death in a matter of hours.

An oximeter will definitely help people here to read your own oxygen levels. People don't need a degree to operate them either. Get treatment before a critical stage.

pjohnson · 23-04-2020 02:16PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Very sorry for you loss.
It's frightening how stupid so many are. That usually leads to them putting their own health in danger but now they are putting other people's lives at risk.

Yep. Thats thing thing with this being so infectious. If they were just eliminating themselves it'd be no issue but they are infecting and endangering others from their stupidity.

Miike · 23-04-2020 02:17PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

I'm sorry to hear that FF.

Be right back · 23-04-2020 02:17PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

I am very sorry to hear that. May he rest in peace. Some people are terribly self centred.

23-04-2020 02:18PM

Brycen Round Symbol wrote: »

It would be good news if it was around longer since some will have immunity (although the jury still out on that one).

It makes perfect sense that even if it began in Wuhan (and its believed to have been there well before December) that travel to and from the region will have spread it anyway prior to the virus being 'announced'.

Friend of mine had that dose in October too and was hospitalised twice over a 3 week period.

Never seen anything like it. Doctors said it was viral and his immune response was through the roof (which caused most of his problems during the illness).

We all got in in my house in December, albeit not as serious but bad enough.

No evidence anywhere that this was anywhere outside of China before January, and none within China prior to November. Do we honestly believe, if it was as common as people are suggesting, that nowhere in the world would have picked up on it. Routinely, all over the world, people are tested on admission to hospital with respiratory symptoms. Is the suggestion that nowhere was able to pick up on anything?

polesheep · 23-04-2020 02:18PM

US2 wrote: »

Apart from the Covid sections of hospitals which is a tiny area, the rest of the hospitals are going through the quietest period in history. Majority of nurses not dealing with covid but twiddling their thumbs. This clapping is ridiculous.

My wife is a nurse, normally works in a specialist area that is currently closed. She has been working wherever required. She's off today but received a message this morning that three wards have been closed in her hospital. When she turns up for work tomorrow there will be effectively no work for her and nowhere for her to go. Worst of all, the specialist services she normally works on have been relocated to a private hospital (at extra taxpayer expense) until July.

She got another message later asking for volunteers to work in the nursing homes, which she is going to do. I think it's very obvious where the Covid-19 problem is centred.

mandrake04 · 23-04-2020 02:19PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

Sorry for you loss, you are correct some people treat this virus as a joke, or that its fake or ‘just a flu’. They disregard it because they would rather be down the pub drinking and making a fool of themselves, most people are doing the right thing but it only takes 1 or 2 idiots and it’s costing lives.

Drumpot · 23-04-2020 02:23PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Hopefully this news doesn't get re-reported on Irish news outlets/papers/tv/media.

All it will do is cause panic. My understanding is that for lot of people, this infection can be treated at home. After some days, some people may need to go onto a hospital for treatment. I think the figures are 20%. Going to hospital doesn't necessarily mean ICU treatment. It might be for other treatment.

News like this will definitely cause panic in some people.

News like this may also slap some common sense into others and may help keep more people compliant with lockdowns.

I dont understand the fear some people have with others discussing the truth, even if it is scary. If 85% of people in ICU in New York are dieing and thats a fact, then its not scaremongering or causing panic , its just stating a fact.

Not just that, its showing how important it is for us to keep as many people out of ICU (with lockdown) and may actually explain a bit why we have big numbers outside of ICU dieing (maybe there is a different criteria in Ireland in getting into ICU then there is in NYC). Maybe there are different ways we can learn from their information with regards to how it correlates with our own.

I guess I just prefer the truth as opposed to being told fairytales or kept in the dark like mushrooms, but I get that ignorance is bliss. (thats not an insult, I really do think when I am ignorant on some things life is easier). There shouldnt be an agenda of accusing people of scaremongering for those of us who are not afraid of discussing the truth, this is an issue I have with people who want to ignore. Ignore it if you want, just dont force those of us who prefer to be informed to have to hide our conversations because "you cant handle the truth "

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wakka12 · 23-04-2020 02:26PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Angela Merkel saying it's just the beginning ... that's right, Germany has passed the peak but it;s just the beginning.
I swear some politicians are just loving the panic and misery

Peak of this wave. The world is in this for the long haul,it is just the beginning, there will be an entire year of waves/lockdown (of varying severity) until a vaccine is found

the.red.baron · 23-04-2020 02:27PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Sorry for you loss, you are correct some people treat this virus as a joke, or that its fake or ‘just a flu’. They disregard it because they would rather be down the pub drinking and making a fool of themselves, most people are doing the right thing but it only takes 1 or 2 idiots and it’s costing lives.

most people are just concerned that they can pay bills or might still have a job or business or school after this than the need to go to the pub

We can all live without going on a holiday individually but can the likes of Kerry or even Spain?

Hector Savage · 23-04-2020 02:28PM

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-23/genetic-analysis-suggests-that-the-coronavirus-was-already-circulating-in-spain-by-mid-february.html

circulating in Spain since mid february, some lad died from it in Valencia on Feb 13th, that didn't travel, so he contracted it around late January, I had a bad dose in mid Feb, I'd love to get an antibody test ...

DevilsHaircut · 23-04-2020 02:34PM

The New York ICU/ventilator stats are skewed by the fact that 'resolved' cases will include proportionately more deaths, i.e. it takes longer to recover than to die.

gabeeg · 23-04-2020 02:36PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Angela Merkel saying it's just the beginning ... that's right, Germany has passed the peak but it;s just the beginning.
I swear some politicians are just loving the panic and misery

What makes you think anyone is enjoying this?
Do you behave like this in all emergencies?

Someone: "Oh my god, the exits are all locked. We can't get out. We'll burn alive!"

You: "Oh you're just loving this aren't you?"

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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