Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

lalababa · 23-04-2020 01:18PM

Drumpot wrote: »

The only way I can reconcile the virus being here since December and is not knowing is if it was a less dangerous strain. If it had been in Ireland in December I can’t work out how our healthcare system wouldn’t be in bits by the end of February before we took any measures.

I can accept new information that has a rational line of thought but “more people had flu” or “coughs” (my wife and Ihad one for months between jan-March) doesn’t tell us anything.

You don't have to accept it. It's just a postulation. And you don't have to imply that the suggestion is irrational. And you don't have to include the autopsy reports from the US. But you can do all these things if you wish.

Drumpot · 23-04-2020 01:18PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Washington Post and CNN report that in New York the figures for survival once a patient infected with COVID-19 goes on a ventillator looks even lower than was initially reported. The data showed that 88% of coronavirus patients who were placed on ventilators in the state's largest health catchment didn’t survive.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/coronavirus-ventilator-patients-die/index.html

Interesting because I noticed that was quoted in a medcram video I watched a few weeks ago. I thought I was misunderstanding what Dr Hanson was saying but he said there was 84% mortality of people on ventilators.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-04-2020 01:21PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

11k cases and 12 deaths, that's remarkable stats

They have a remarkable health system but the surge only started in the last week and a half so there will be some catch up there sadly.

Gynoid · 23-04-2020 01:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Dare I say it - central and eastern Europeans are a hell of a lot fitter and leaner than we are

They may be in the younger years but dare I say it a lot of them turn into rolypoly little puddings and dumplings just like many people in most countries by the middle to late years.

Plenty of charming rotund older people all over Europe from what I have seen.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-04-2020 01:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1252819591090155523?s=19

edit- this is a thread that goes into an attempt to somehow reckon across the different methodologies used internationally to measure covid deaths, and what effect that has on irish figures.

this guy has been excellent throughout

if you are actually interested in trying to see how we are doing comparatively, hes the best ive found

if you are only interested in finding any old stupid reason to whinge about the govt, ...... jesus i hope at least there's something in it for you. seems an awful way to spend a pandemic otherwise.

LOL, him ending that tweet with “Do we now” got me laughing.

speckle · 23-04-2020 01:22PM

poppers wrote: »

But you could say the same about any supermarket/petrol station that open,

true except its for a once off meal. where as one trip/delievery to/from a shop you can buy a week or two of food. But I suspose everybodys risk assement will be different.

smurgen · 23-04-2020 01:22PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Look at the nations who have better numbers, who are at the top of the tree with fewer deaths and infections. Every single one of them advocated masks in publicly shared spaces. They also had border controls and proper contact tracing and testing and quarantine plans and setups. We have had almost none of those. Testing is catching up, but it has had to catch up.

The danny boy character is all over the place. I had a good think and two lines of praise stood out of me that I found holes in.

1. We're and island and we should have lower alot lower than Europeans. Why? Well the line being trotted out is that Dublin airport is so so busy relative to selected other airports in Europe.However the issue with this is that how many other entry points are there to Dublin? You can't take a train there or drive there apart from the north.compared to Brussels for example. Trains in an out to all major continental European cities and roads for cars and busses.
2. My second argument for how well the authorities are doing is the proportion of deaths from the general population versus those in care facilities. I think it's over 60% of total deaths are care facilities at this stage. A care facility is one that the government is either running or has regulatory oversight of. The government if they want have full control over these facilities. Where as ordinary Joe and Mary seem to be doing a great job of isolating and managing the crisis themselves and the number of those contracting outside hospitals etc is a small proportion. In summary the Irish public are doing a better job than the Irish government.

Drumpot · 23-04-2020 01:23PM

lalababa wrote: »

You don't have to accept it. It's just a postulation. And you don't have to imply that the suggestion is irrational. And you don't have to include the autopsy reports from the US. But you can do all these things if you wish.

I wasn’t suggesting it’s irrational to suggest that the virus might of been around a lot longer then we think. I think it’s unhelpful to base it solely on their being more cases at a certain point in time with no other context.

You can postulate all you want but people can correctly question the validity if there isn’t really much meat to the theory.

smurgen · 23-04-2020 01:23PM

smurgen wrote: »

The danny boy character is all over the place. I had a good think and two lines of praise stood out of me that I found holes in.

1. We're and island and we should have lower alot lower than Europeans. Why? Well the line being trotted out is that Dublin airport is so so busy relative to selected other airports in Europe.However the issue with this is that how many other entry points are there to Dublin? You can't take a train there or drive there apart from the north.compared to Brussels for example. Trains in an out to all major continental European cities and roads for cars and busses.
2. My second argument for how well the authorities are doing is the proportion of deaths from the general population versus those in care facilities. I think it's over 60% of total deaths are care facilities at this stage. A care facility is one that the government is either running or has regulatory oversight of. The government if they want have full control over these facilities. Where as ordinary Joe and Mary seem to be doing a great job of isolating and managing the crisis themselves and the number of those contracting outside hospitals etc is a small proportion. In summary the Irish public are doing a better job than the Irish government.

And before any comments I'm not for one second blaming medical front line staff. In my opinion they're mopping the mess big time and put in danger also due to the fumbling and late action of Government.

BobCobb · 23-04-2020 01:24PM

Christy42 wrote: »

I mean there may be an invisible teapot floating around the world. The world "may" doesn't make you immune to others thinking it a terrible idea.

Holy crap, have you been scalded too?

s1ippy · 23-04-2020 01:24PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I was (distantly) chatting to someone while out for a walk earlier and she was telling me that a guy her husband works with went to Cheltenham and came home really unwell, was extremely sick and was hospitalised with Covid but has since recovered. The Grand uncle he stayed in the with in the UK also became unwell a few days later and has since died from Covid 19.

Well-known bouncer where I'm from went to Cheltenham, his mother contracted it from him. She was making a good recovery and he had to be put into an induced coma to get the fluid out of his lungs, then when he was in the coma she got worse and died. He's still recovering but he's a bit better now. Incredibly tragic and preventable I don't know how anyone can live with that.

the.red.baron · 23-04-2020 01:25PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They have a remarkable health system but the surge only started in the last week and a half so there will be some catch up there sadly.

whats so remarkable about it?

ek motor · 23-04-2020 01:26PM

Covid-19 causing sudden strokes in relatively young mild and asymptomatic cases according to New York neurosurgeon

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

Away With The Fairies · 23-04-2020 01:31PM

ek motor wrote: »

Covid-19 causing sudden strokes in relatively young mild and asymptomatic cases according to New York neurosurgeon

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

Will we ever get good news with this?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 23-04-2020 01:31PM

lalababa wrote: »

I and many others have postulated that c-19 may have been here as early as December. Both from anecdotal stories, and from different reports from the US and China.
It's only a suggestion, and most use the word 'may', but it seems to raise a hell of a stink on these forums. It's almost like an anti greta Thurnberg triggering utterance.
C-19 was not here until I say it was..all hail c-19.

I agree, I think it's definitely a strong possibility but a lot of people don't want to hear that or even entertain the idea.

I do think in my case that part of it is wishful thinking, its already been around for longer/we've already had it and got through it etc etc.

There was a thread on boards back in December around the time of the big flu outbreak that makes for interesting reading:

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058041781

Ash3070 · 23-04-2020 01:32PM

What has me pretty confused is dialysis units. My granny is on dialysis 3 times a week. Since the lockdown began, the hospital have mandated the use of face masks by anyone coming in or out of the hospital. She is required to have one on from the moment she gets into the hospital taxi to the moment she's dropped home again in the evening. Obviously dialysis patients, along with cancer patients probably have the most compromised immune systems in the country. That said, if there really is no benefit to the face masks, why are the hospitals supplying them to all patients and mandating their use?

Another thing I was wondering about is testing. She said that they're are testing first thing every time they go in and that results return in about an hour. I'm sure there's some priority given due to how high risk everyone there is, however that seems unusually fast. She's not the most reliable though and frequently gets her facts mixed up. Anyone know how these tests are being managed and if the one hour turnaround is correct?

walshb · 23-04-2020 01:32PM

Another round of applause due in the Dail tonight.

Really is getting patronising now, this exaggerated and phoney Sh1t..

Boyd Barrett’s turn tonight..

US2 · 23-04-2020 01:33PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Will we ever get good news with this?

Yes. More people have recovered from the virus than currently have it in Ireland

road_high · 23-04-2020 01:34PM

walshb wrote: »

Another round of applause due in the Dail tonight.

Really is getting patronising now, this exaggerated and phoney Sh1t..

Boyd Barrett’s turn tonight..

The real issue will be when the tab has to be picked up.
Clap away it won’t diminish the whipping great bill for all this

crossman47 · 23-04-2020 01:35PM

polesheep wrote: »

Don't include me in that bit in bold.

I don't believe that he suddenly became a good and competent minister with the arrival of Covid-19.

As for doing things differently, I have always believed that the focus should have been on the vulnerable rather than a general lockdown. And let's not forget the nursing homes and the failure to protect them.

I have to disagree with you. A general lockdown was essential to avoid a surge that would overwhelm the hospitals. If that happened then any measures to deal with the vulnerable would have been useless anyway.

Longing · 23-04-2020 01:35PM

Sweden is in a load of **** show trouble. Really mind blogging there approach to this pandemic.

US2 · 23-04-2020 01:38PM

Apart from the Covid sections of hospitals which is a tiny area, the rest of the hospitals are going through the quietest period in history. Majority of nurses not dealing with covid but twiddling their thumbs. This clapping is ridiculous.

23-04-2020 01:40PM

Brycen Round Symbol wrote: »

I agree, I think it's definitely a strong possibility but a lot of people don't want to hear that or even entertain the idea.

I do think in my case that part of it is wishful thinking, its already been around for longer/we've already had it and got through it etc etc.

There was a thread on boards back in December around the time of the big flu outbreak that makes for interesting reading:

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058041781

There was a story in the NYT yesterday or the day before reporting that a post-mortem of an elderly couple that died in their home in California a number of weeks before the first recorded case in Seattle died from COVID-19. And more interestingly they had not travelled, so caught it from community transmission. There is strong evidence that we’ve had this in our community for a while, and presumably many of our deaths in recent weeks relate to infections from a time when there was no lockdown

Wibbs · 23-04-2020 01:42PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Will we ever get good news with this?

Bad news sells newspapers and clicks.

castletownman · 23-04-2020 01:43PM

Brycen Round Symbol wrote: »

I agree, I think it's definitely a strong possibility but a lot of people don't want to hear that or even entertain the idea.

I do think in my case that part of it is wishful thinking, its already been around for longer/we've already had it and got through it etc etc.

There was a thread on boards back in December around the time of the big flu outbreak that makes for interesting reading:

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058041781

I am convinced (without sounding like a conspiracy theorist) that I had some strain similar to this at the tail-end of last year.

The worst persistent cough and flu-like symptoms for the longest sustained period I can remember. Had it in October and had a relapse so to speak around NYE. Couldn't shake my cough in between. Crackly noises in my chest and all.

People in my family circle seemed to pick it up too, although nowhere near as bad as mine. I laughed it off as man-flu during the peak so didn't miss work, apart from one day when I literally couldn't get off the toilet.

So if it was some variant of Covid-19, maybe I have built up antibodies. Although I am adhering to the guidelines so have limited interactions with anyone anyway.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-04-2020 01:45PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Whether people admit it or not, they need or want Simon Harris to know what he's doing, to know he has an understanding as Minister for Health. It's a security thing I guess. They're looking for him to get us out of this in a way and they need to feel secure.

Me, I personally couldn't care less but, for some, it's like a pilot who doesn't know why it's called an Airbus

Hope you're doing well. Was reading about your health issues, keeping you in my thoughts

Thank you, my previous MJ adversary!

I’m hanging in there.

poppers · 23-04-2020 01:46PM

Id say the tests are processed in the hospital lab so turn around could be quick not sure if its within the hour though,

nurse swabs your gran and a porter brings sample staright to lab to be tested. As she'd be mixing with other imnuo-comprised paitents im sure its prioritised

reply to ASH 3070 post #2751 original op didint attach.

Ash3070 · 23-04-2020 01:49PM

poppers wrote: »

Id say the tests are processed in the hospital lab so turn around could be quick not sure if its within the hour though,

nurse swabs your gran and a porter brings sample staright to lab to be tested. As she'd be mixing with other imnuo-comprised paitents im sure its prioritised

Yeah, I'm not surprised that it would be prioritised, however when medical professionals are waiting 3-5 days for results, the discrepancy is quite notable. If they can have this kind of turnaround time for high risk patients, then I feel that it should also be extended for medical professionals who are regularly interacting with compromised patients.

BanditLuke · 23-04-2020 01:49PM

ek motor wrote: »

Covid-19 causing sudden strokes in relatively young mild and asymptomatic cases according to New York neurosurgeon

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

Coronavirus's don't cause strokes do they

The more we learn about this virus the more frightening it becomes.

rm212 · 23-04-2020 01:51PM

Lord almighty, I just can't with Fox News...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RexUJeWmzSE

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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