Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

New Home · 22-04-2020 02:13PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I bring my shopping straight out to the back garden . I wipe every packaging with anti bac before bringing in to the house
I wipe the shopping bags down and hang on the line overnight .
We can all do our best with small steps to try to eliminate a risk .

Anti-BACTERIAL and anti-VIRAL are very different things. Unless it says on the container that they've been proven to kill viruses, including Coronavirus, I wouldn't trust it. As a bad example, it'd be like using weed killer to kill bugs, or insecticide to kill weeds.

ginoginelli wrote: »

Most Anti Bac's have not been shown to eliminate covid 19 transmission. Soap and water, bleach or 70% plus alcohol disinfectants should be used.

Exactly.

22-04-2020 02:20PM

Sweden high death rate isn't a sign that their strategy has failed. As has been stated many times we are not fighting to get rid of the virus. We have no cure for it and because its so highly contagious it will go through the population eventually.
The thing to watch is if Sweden death rate peaks and then drops off, while other countries plateau and continue that way for a long time.
By the end compare the numbers and they should be the same, except Sweden hasn't shut down its economy.

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 02:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

These are excess deaths over the norm.

It's patently obvious what the bulk of that curve represents.

It's not people choking on peanuts.

I'm done with someone who ignores facts and plays ignorant.

Schuu

Would you have similar graphs of excess deaths for Ireland?

22-04-2020 02:27PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

It doesn't actually matter what day you confirm deaths...

Ultimately what matters, is that our average daily death rate has been increasing dramatically over the last 2-3 weeks. It makes no difference if we get 2 deaths yesterday and 100 today... the average will still show.

Our average was 3.3 deaths per day 3 weeks ago... now we're averaging 16.5 deaths per day. That's not a very positive progression in daily deaths.

Deaths were always going to increase. I believed a little over a month ago that even with a lockdown in place we would be lucky to come in under 5000 dead in the first wave of this. As of now, with case numbers appearing to have peaked and hospital and ICU admissions falling, it looks like it will fall significantly under that. Am I not permitted to treat that as a more positive outcome than I had feared?

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 02:32PM

polesheep wrote: »

Newsnight on BBC2 last night reported that already 2,700 cancers have been missed in the UK since Covid19 kicked off. How's that for rubbish?

This very likely applies to every country. There is a fear of going near hospitals at the moment and consultants are also not working to full capacity. Not just cancers though, any serious life threatening illness such as being at risk of stroke or heart attack. There will be many excess deaths in this pandemic indirectly linked to covid19.

Rob A. Bank · 22-04-2020 02:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sweden high death rate isn't a sign that their strategy has failed. As has been stated many times we are not fighting to get rid of the virus. We have no cure for it and because its so highly contagious it will go through the population eventually.
The thing to watch is if Sweden death rate peaks and then drops off, while other countries plateau and continue that way for a long time.
By the end compare the numbers and they should be the same, except Sweden hasn't shut down its economy.

So we are going the 'Herd Immunity' path then ?

Drumpot · 22-04-2020 02:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Deaths were always going to increase. I believed a little over a month ago that even with a lockdown in place we would be lucky to come in under 5000 dead in the first wave of this. As of now, with case numbers appearing to have peaked and hospital and ICU admissions falling, it looks like it will fall significantly under that. Am I not permitted to treat that as a more positive outcome than I had feared?

One thing I dont seem to hear much is that our hospitals have not been overrun and do not appear to be stretched. Everything seems to be focused primarily on the negative, not enough PPE and nursing homes, but there is very little counter balance to this. Suppose bad news is just more popular, but it seems to give people the impression the only thing worth discussing is what the government/authorities got wrong and then try to select incomparable date (COVID19 Stats) that makes us look worse.

is_that_so · 22-04-2020 02:39PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

What about the consistent medical position of Asian doctors? Many of whom consider mask wearing to be just as important as regular hand washing for the general public!

That position is based on research, which they say is weak. I'm a big fan of the hand washing, we should always be doing it. Asians wear masks most of the time anyway and if you read up a bit on what they say they admit there's also a psychological element to it. They don't differ in their opinion that's it's not about protecting the wearer, but others. Wear one if you want, the rest of us will follow if required to but otherwise it's a free choice.

iamwhoiam · 22-04-2020 02:41PM

Drumpot wrote: »

One thing I dont seem to hear much is that our hospitals have not been overrun and do not appear to be stretched. Everything seems to be focused primarily on the negative, not enough PPE and nursing homes, but there is very little counter balance to this. Suppose bad news is just more popular, but it seems to give people the impression the only thing worth discussing is what the government/authorities got wrong and then try to select incomparable date (COVID19 Stats) that makes us look worse.

I honestly think the negativity is a boards thing . In real life people seem for more open to hear the positive and acknowledge the efforts made . Only here to I read the need to hang on to negativity

22-04-2020 02:42PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

So we are going the 'Herd Immunity' path then ?

Flattening the curve is the strategy. That was known weeks ago.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 22-04-2020 02:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Deaths were always going to increase. I believed a little over a month ago that even with a lockdown in place we would be lucky to come in under 5000 dead in the first wave of this. As of now, with case numbers appearing to have peaked and hospital and ICU admissions falling, it looks like it will fall significantly under that. Am I not permitted to treat that as a more positive outcome than I had feared?

Sure, we could all do that... pick some arbitrary number in our heads, and then decide we're doing great if we fall under that number.

But that's not reality.

In truth, we are losing a large amount of people for our tiny population size. We're not dealing with this very well, and that increase in average daily death rate is really quite eye opening tbh. It's not a very nice statistic to look at.

22-04-2020 02:48PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

So we are going the 'Herd Immunity' path then ?

We are going the path of protect the health system to avoid as much as possible having to make decisions on who gets a chance to live and who gets left to die. We are going down the path of avoiding having to dig temporary burial plots to deal with the numbers of dead.
77 deaths reported in one day is tragic but it was unavoidable. From where we were on St Patricks day, we were on a path to have closer to 777 reported deaths per day by now and increasing rapidly. That is why I am positive

gabeeg · 22-04-2020 02:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sweden high death rate isn't a sign that their strategy has failed. As has been stated many times we are not fighting to get rid of the virus. We have no cure for it and because its so highly contagious it will go through the population eventually.
The thing to watch is if Sweden death rate peaks and then drops off, while other countries plateau and continue that way for a long time.
By the end compare the numbers and they should be the same, except Sweden hasn't shut down its economy.

Sweden's leading epidemiologist, Tegnell, who has chartered the course they're on has been consistently wrong about this virus.

Initially he said it would not spread from China. It did.
Then he said that simply tracing cases from abroad would be enough to contain it. It wasn't.
Swedish families returning from late-February skiing in the Italian Alps were strongly advised to return to work and school if not visibly sick, even if family members were infected.
He argued that there were no signs of community transmission in Sweden, and therefore no need for more general mitigation measures.

The man's a dangerous moron and he's getting lots of people needlessly killed.

Gynoid · 22-04-2020 02:50PM

growleaves wrote: »

The reason excess home deaths are off the charts is because people can't leave home.

Yoi can't argue with that kind of sciencemajigs!

Rob A. Bank · 22-04-2020 02:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Flattening the curve is the strategy. That was known weeks ago.

Everyone knows that.

But your quote " As has been stated many times we are not fighting to get rid of the virus" I find extraordinary.

But it might explain why we are allowing UK residents and others in without supervised quarantine, and HSE's reluctance to recommend masks. Also the chronic 'too little, too late' reactions which has resulted in our horrifying death figures.

Top up the infections regularly seems to be the strategy... i.e. 'Herd Immunity' by stealth and deception of the general public.

eagle eye · 22-04-2020 02:54PM

is_that_so wrote:

I'm a big fan of the hand washing. Asians wear masks most of the time anyway and if you read up a bit on what they say admit there's also a psychological element to it. They don't differ in their opinion that's it's not about protecting the wearer. Wear one if you want, the rest of us will follow if required to but otherwise it's a choice.

How about this idea. You look around the world at the countries that are doing really well during this and see what they are doing differently to us.
We take that information and put it into action here and hopefully we are in great shape in a month or two.

polesheep · 22-04-2020 02:55PM

Juwwi wrote: »

That's dreadful , but hospitals are still open here for anyone to attend A&E,
Im not sure on the UK situation

Again how do you know doctors aren't working with the ill .

They are , they have just stopped allowing lots of sick people congregate or enter the same building to prevent the spread and protect themselves and staff.

At the start of all this there was something like 90% of the covid tests coming back negative ,,1000's of people thought they had it but didn't and would of
needlessly of been putting themselves at risk going into GP surgeries

Have you or a family member needed a GP and couldn't get one or are you just making this up

A. If you don't know that you have cancer why would you attend A&E? Many people are awaiting things like scopes. Endoscopy units in Irish hospitals have either been reduced to emergency only or closed entirely.
B. Yes, I posted earlier in this regard. I also know of someone with anxiety and OCD issues who couldn't get to see their GP.
I'm sure there are GPs carrying on as best they can, but a lot don't seem to be.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 02:56PM

An anti-lockdown protester who railed against Covid-19 closures in his home state has died of coronavirus aged 60. John McDaniel, of Marion County in Ohio, died at a hospital in Columbus last Wednesday, around a fortnight after he tested positive for Covid-19.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/21/anti-lockdown-protester-branded-covid-19-political-ploy-killed-coronavirus-12588467/?ito=cbshare

There are many more stories like this in the US particularly involving preachers who believe God will protect them. Hardly surprising given they continue to allow big congregations in their churches in defiance.

RandomName2 · 22-04-2020 02:57PM

Two questions for people who might be a bit more clued in than myself at the moment.

1. Is it currently illegal for people over 70 to leave their homes? There seems to be a bit of confusion about this. Surely this is just advice and they are subject to the same rules as everyone else (2km limit)

2. Does the government have any plans for when other EU countries start relaxing restrictions? The virus came into the country from northern Italy because there was no screening at airports. Presumably we don't want a repeat performance.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 02:57PM

UK reports 763 new fatalities. Down slightly on yesterday.

joe_99 · 22-04-2020 02:59PM

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1252819591090155523

Some other posts in that thread.

walshb · 22-04-2020 03:01PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Two questions for people who might be a bit more clued in than myself at the moment.

1. Is it currently illegal for people over 70 to leave their homes? There seems to be a bit of confusion about this. Surely this is just advice and they are subject to the same rules as everyone else (2km limit)

2. Does the government have any plans for when other EU countries start relaxing restrictions? The virus came into the country from northern Italy because there was no screening at airports. Presumably we don't want a repeat performance.

It is not illegal. The wording on it suggests more a guideline and pleading with. I don’t ever recall a legal type semantic put on it.

22-04-2020 03:02PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Everyone knows that.

But your quote " As has been stated many times we are not fighting to get rid of the virus" I find extraordinary.

But it might explain why we are allowing UK residents and others in without supervised quarantine, and HSE's reluctance to recommend masks. Also the chronic 'too little, too late' reactions which has resulted in our horrifying death figures.

Top up the infections regularly seems to be the strategy... i.e. 'Herd Immunity' by stealth and deception of the general public.

Until there is a vaccine no one can stop the virus spreading. All you can control is the speed.
Shake your fist at the sky all you want if it makes you feel better.

22-04-2020 03:02PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Everyone knows that.

But your quote " As has been stated many times we are not fighting to get rid of the virus" I find extraordinary.

But it might explain why we are allowing UK residents and others in without supervised quarantine, and HSE's reluctance to recommend masks. Also the chronic 'too little, too late' reactions which has resulted in our horrifying death figures.

Top up the infections regularly seems to be the strategy... i.e. 'Herd Immunity' by stealth and deception of the general public.

Flattering the curve doesn’t get rid of the virus! Can’t believe we are still on this after all these weeks. It manages the inevitable spread of the virus while better treatments become available (not necessarily vaccines....that remains uncertain), and keeps sickness within the capacity of the ICU to deal

How you think we are being deceived on this is beyond me

Padre_Pio · 22-04-2020 03:04PM

walshb wrote: »

It is not illegal. The wording on it suggests more a guideline and pleading with. I don’t ever recall a legal type semantic put on it.

Garda checkpoints are cracking down harder on elderly who are out and about.

The thinking is they are more at risk and should have family or friends help them out with day to day chores.

Rob A. Bank · 22-04-2020 03:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/21/anti-lockdown-protester-branded-covid-19-political-ploy-killed-coronavirus-12588467/?ito=cbshare

There are many more stories like this in the US particularly involving preachers who believe God will protect them. Hardly surprising given they continue to allow big congregations in their churches in defiance.

But it's all OK Kermit... Pastor Copeland killed the Coronavirus with the 'Wind of God' recently. :rolleyes:

Never mind that he had already killed it at '12 noon on 29th day of march'

22-04-2020 03:08PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Garda checkpoints are cracking down harder on elderly who are out and about.

The thinking is they are more at risk and should have family or friends help them out with day to day chores.

But they can’t order them home if they are in their 2km limit or going to the shop. They can try to persuade

joe_99 · 22-04-2020 03:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Everyone knows that.

But your quote " As has been stated many times we are not fighting to get rid of the virus" I find extraordinary.

But it might explain why we are allowing UK residents and others in without supervised quarantine, and HSE's reluctance to recommend masks. Also the chronic 'too little, too late' reactions which has resulted in our horrifying death figures.

Top up the infections regularly seems to be the strategy... i.e. 'Herd Immunity' by stealth and deception of the general public.

You have been on the thread for weeks now. How did you not understand that we the policy is to slow the spread of the infection so that the curve is flattened. The numbers infected will remain the same. The first time the flatten the curve graph was shown this was called out and has been called out everytime since.

22-04-2020 03:09PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Sure, we could all do that... pick some arbitrary number in our heads, and then decide we're doing great if we fall under that number.

But that's not reality.

In truth, we are losing a large amount of people for our tiny population size. We're not dealing with this very well, and that increase in average daily death rate is really quite eye opening tbh. It's not a very nice statistic to look at.

It was arbitrary. The statistics at the time if they had played out would have seen us closer to a total of 10,000 deaths today. I suggest you read the early posts by Pseudonym121 the HSE consultant, in the AMA thread on this topic if you want to get a picture of where this was going a month ago.

The day to day deaths by the way are tragic and am not downplaying them in any way. Just putting them in the context of where things could have gone.

Gynoid · 22-04-2020 03:10PM

A little breather. Hopefully nothing horrific gets posted directly either side of it to make it look bad!

https://twitter.com/LanceForman/status/1252853557260214272?s=19

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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