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Relaxation of restrictions

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  • #8432
    lastusername
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭lastusername


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
    All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

    I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
    Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

    Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

    Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

    I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

    Phone call to your local garda station should clear that up....not seeing how print-production is essential unless it to keep the newspapers going or something!


  • #8433
    Hearty80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Hearty80


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Surprise surprise, parents who are sick of minding their own kids at home while there is a world wide emergency right now
    Very selfish

    My ass, people who want to cripple our economy.....
    Selfish and stupid


  • #8434
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    lastusername wrote: »
    Phone call to your local garda station should clear that up....not seeing how print-production is essential unless it to keep the newspapers going or something!

    Is that not essentially shopping my employer though?


  • #8435
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
    All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

    I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
    Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

    Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

    Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

    I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

    Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.


  • #8436
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Is that not essentially shopping my employer though?

    If it's all above board your employer has nothing to worry about.


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  • #8437
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    lastusername wrote: »
    Phone call to your local garda station should clear that up....not seeing how print-production is essential unless it to keep the newspapers going or something!
    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.

    You're very quick to make judgements without knowing anything about the "covid related jobs".


  • #8438
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.

    Does the employer need approval himself to write such a letter? And are there penalties if he gives me a letter even though it is essentially, non-essential work? Just because he writes a letter it doesn't make it valid, no?

    Is that my way forward though? To ask my employer for a letter stating the purpose of my journey?


  • #8439
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Not essential work im afraid.

    How do you know?

    The poster even said "covid related jobs"

    You really couldn't be more negative.


  • #8440
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Is that not essentially shopping my employer though?

    Course it is, dont listen to that bull****.


  • #8441
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    GazzaL wrote: »
    You're very quick to make judgements without knowing anything about the "covid related jobs".

    I think in reality, the "covid related jobs" would be a few signs for a local farm or similar. We likely haven't won a contract with the HSE. Does significance/exposure of the work play a part in the ethics here, would you think?


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  • #8442
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭scamalert


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.
    its deemed essential, places havent stopped printing since the start of this- the printing and reproduction of newspapers and other media services - from gov.ie website.


  • #8443
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
    All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

    I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
    Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

    Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

    Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

    I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

    Print production is covered as an essential service if needed
    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/#information-and-communications

    Look at manufacturing and information and communications. Have a family member in the same sort of industry, they work maybe 2 days a week at the moment just doing anything that's covid related, an post stuff etc, have a letter from the employer to get you through any checkpoints. Employer just has to state on the letter the industry and your function to said work


  • #8444
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Does the employer need approval himself to write such a letter? And are there penalties if he gives me a letter even though it is essentially, non-essential work? Just because he writes a letter it doesn't make it valid, no?

    Is that my way forward though? To ask my employer for a letter stating the purpose of my journey?

    You are working in a non essential industry. Now unless the company is producing leaflets, billboards etc..for the HSE that's another story.

    Nobody here can make a decision for you but if i was wearing your shoes i'd be contacting my employer for a letter.


  • #8445
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Print production is covered as an essential service if needed


    Look at manufacturing and information and communications. Have a family member in the same sort of industry, they work maybe 2 days a week at the moment just doing anything that's covid related, an post stuff etc, have a letter from the employer to get you through any checkpoints. Employer just has to state on the letter the industry and your function to said work

    Ok, that's good information, thank you.


  • #8446
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
    All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

    I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
    Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

    Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

    Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

    I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

    I`m not sure what you mean by covid related jobs. Anyway, if as you state yourself, you are employed in a non-essential service I don`t see how you can be obliged to go back to work tomorrow. Will there be distancing measures put in place, hand sanitizers, masks etc. provided? What about canteen regulations assuming there is one in your workplace? These are issues that need answering before making a decision on whether to go back or not.


  • #8447
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    You are working in a non essential industry. Now unless the company is producing leaflets, billboards etc..for the HSE that's another story.

    Nobody here can make a decision for you but if i was wearing your shoes i'd be contacting my employer for a letter.

    I appreciate your view, thank you. I think I will do that to at least cover myself.


  • #8448
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    easypazz wrote: »
    They will open a lot on May 5th, then by middle of June hair salons, bars, restaurants, coffee shops etc. will open in some capacity and €350 will be snip snip snip.

    But that all very vague

    There are bars, restaurats and coffee shops open these days - the owners have thought outside the box, and got them open.

    So to say come June they will open in some capacity - is stating the obvious when they already are working at some capacity.

    You about about Harris saying xyz but fail to mention that he also said there would have to be a reduction in new cases/deaths before restrictions lifted - which you fail to comprehend.


  • #8449
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    I`m not sure what you mean by covid related jobs. Anyway, if as you state yourself, you are employed in a non- essential service I don`t see how you can be obliged to go back to work tomorrow. Will there be distancing measures put in place, hand sanitizers, masks etc. provided? What about canteen regulations assuming there is one in your workplace? These are issues that need answering before making a decision on whether to go back or not.

    I would expect them to be one-off signs for local farms and maybe other small businesses. I can't imagine there will be many though - we're not a company that lands big contracts at all. Just a local crowd that produces small signage for other local businesses.


  • #8450
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,291 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    I appreciate your view, thank you. I think I will do that to at least cover myself.

    Yep. My own employer is deemed essential so the HR department issued personalised letters to everyone stating this, with our home and office addresses, and signed by the CEO.

    Get your employer to email you something similar that you can present at checkpoints if asked


  • #8451
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Ok, that's good information, thank you.

    Theres alot of other things to take into account though as well.
    The employer has to have social distancing measures in place, hand sanitizer etc


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  • #8452
    gnf_ireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭gnf_ireland


    oceanman wrote: »
    these type of loans never get paid back, we simply just pay the interest on the the loan, and if we lock in the low interest rate we have at the moment its nearly free money.


    Hmm your version of free money and mine must be very different.

    Even in these times of unprecedently levels of low interest rates (which will not last for ever), we are paying 5 billion a year servicing our national debt, which currently stands at 237bn euro.

    https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/debt/2020/

    And to put into perspective, the Agricultural budget is 1.6bn, Transport is 2.7bn, Justice is 3bn and the total Higher Education budget is 1.74bn.

    This money is not free, or anything like it. It currently constitutes 6% of everything our government spends. It is not insignificant and will rise when interest rates do..


  • #8453
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,886 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    I`m not sure what you mean by covid related jobs. Anyway, if as you state yourself, you are employed in a non-essential service I don`t see how you can be obliged to go back to work tomorrow. Will there be distancing measures put in place, hand sanitizers, masks etc. provided? What about canteen regulations assuming there is one in your workplace? These are issues that need answering before making a decision on whether to go back or not.

    Perhaps not but some people are pragmatic in a business sense and realise if they don't get back to some work there won't be any work or business left to go back to ever.
    This rigid union type mindset displayed in this post won't pay the bills.


  • #8454
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Theres alot of other things to take into account though as well.
    The employer has to have social distancing measures in place, hand sanitizer etc

    I have no idea about sanitizer being there or not but in what we do, social distancing is virtually impossible. Everyone is always right on each others' shoulders.

    I'm really not comfortable to be honest. Weeks hunkered down at home and then this out of the blue this morning. Feels like it's just undermining everything going on.


  • #8455
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Hearty80 wrote: »
    My ass, people who want to cripple our economy.....
    Selfish and stupid


    now, that is stupid
    who in their right mind want o cripple their own economy?
    you seem to deny there is a pandemic at the moment, people have health concerns about themselves and their families
    stay at home and relax


  • #8456
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    now, that is stupid
    who in their right mind want o cripple their own economy?
    you seem to deny there is a pandemic at the moment, people have health concerns about themselves and their families
    stay at home and relax

    If the morality/morbidity rate was high for kids, i wonder would Hearty have the same out look - lets get the kids back in school and see what happens...

    I feel like their outlook would be very different.


  • #8457
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    road_high wrote: »
    Perhaps not but some people are pragmatic in a business sense and realise if they don't get back to some work there won't be any work or business left to go back to ever.
    This rigid union type mindset displayed in this post won't pay the bills.

    This really is why I posed the question. It's the ethics vs economics question that I have yet to really see answered effectively. And now it's been left squarely on my doorstep.

    My health* vs my work.

    *and everyone else's too.


  • #8458
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,886 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    now, that is stupid
    who in their right mind want o cripple their own economy?
    you seem to deny there is a pandemic at the moment, people have health concerns about themselves and their families
    stay at home and relax

    Plenty from what i can see. Maybe not deliberately but their "lockdown foreva" rhetoric amounts to the same thing.


  • #8459
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    If the morality/morbidity rate was high for kids, i wonder would Hearty have the same out look - lets get the kids back in school and see what happens...

    I feel like their outlook would be very different.

    But it hasnt, it affects the elderly in the majority and nobody is asking these people to go back to work


  • #8460
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Has anyone seen the video of the street party that went on in a Dublin suburb recently? Not sure if it was legit or not but disgraceful behaviour if it was.


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  • #8461
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    If the morality/morbidity rate was high for kids, i wonder would Hearty have the same out look - lets get the kids back in school and see what happens...

    I feel like their outlook would be very different.

    But its not .


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