Relaxation of restrictions

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

Can you please clarify if the mortality rate is less than 0.4% because of the restrictions - given they have they them in Germany.

Or is it 0.4% without restrictions.

Given that you are sharing this information is suspect you will know the answer?

He never mentioned restrictions. But I doubt you will get since you don't understand the difference between a bar and an off licence.

Ace2007

Mic 1972 wrote: »

and yet young and healthy people end up in ICU every day

Ah but easypazz doesnt' care, because the healtcare workers will keep them alive.

Dont' you get it, easypazz doesn't care if 10,000 Irish die from the virus, all he wants is for the economy to get back on track.

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

Delivery, delivery, delivery.

None of us denying that takeaways are available.

We could always get takeaways.

We don't need examples, we use them ourselves.

You said that restaurants will open in some capacity - you didn't say sit in, you never give exact details, you always are vague in your replies.

Mic 1972

Ace2007 wrote: »

Can you please clarify if the mortality rate is less than 0.4% because of the restrictions - given they have they them in Germany.

Or is it 0.4% without restrictions.

Given that you are sharing this information is suspect you will know the answer?

Mortality rate is nowhere near 0.4%, another attempt at sugarcoating reality to make phase 2 (reopening society) less scary

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

He never mentioned restrictions. But I doubt you will get since you don't understand the difference between a bar and an off licence.

Exactly - so the article is 0.4% mortlaity rate based on the actions to date.

Its not 0.4% if we had done nothing.

You guys seem to miss this point altogether.

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

You said that restaurants will open in some capacity - you didn't say sit in, you never give exact details, you always are vague in your replies.

Surely you can figure out for yourself I am referring to the sit down option, maybe 30% or 50% capacity etc.

Are you genuinely that stupid?

lord quackinton

facehugger99 wrote: »

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

This will sound arrogant but when then the government decided to lockdown my employer asked me to explain to other non financial employees the likely economic fallout of what is coming
I refused point blank For 2 reasons
1. Most would not understand it and
2. Those that could grasp it did not deserve to be frightened by what the future holds

The lockdowners on here don’t truly understand what awaits them
One insurance broker told me he is jacking it in
This man has 10 employees and has not told then yet because they are his friends as well as employees

What is coming is very scary

Hearty80

Mic 1972 wrote: »

now, that is stupid
who in their right mind want o cripple their own economy?
you seem to deny there is a pandemic at the moment, people have health concerns about themselves and their families
stay at home and relax

I'm actually very relaxed at home thank you very much. But a dog with a mallet up his arse could understand that its unsustainable to keep everything closed indefinitely.
There's obviously a pandemic that is very much under control in Ireland.
So in another 3 weeks not tomorrow it's time to go back to work.
I have a daughter who has worked full time through all of this in a bank, her boyfriend who she lives with is a gp trainee who works full time in a hospital. So I'm very aware of the health risks to the elderly and unwell. But the economy is a major concern also and there wont be any money to pay anything soon if the economy doesnt resume.

drunkmonkey

Most of Germanys cases happened in the youth coming back from holidays hence the low rate, they also have the capacity to test 100,000 a day, there not going to do that though I think, testing is for the very sick.

Mic 1972

Hearty80 wrote: »

I'm actually very relaxed at home thank you very much. But a dog with a mallet up his arse could understand that its unsustainable to keep everything closed indefinitely.
There's obviously a pandemic that is very much under control in Ireland.
So in another 3 weeks not tomorrow it's time to go back to work.
I have a daughter who has worked full time through all of this in a bank, her boyfriend who she lives with is a gp trainee who works full time in a hospital. So I'm very aware of the health risks to the elderly and unwell. But the economy is a major concern also and there wont be any money to pay anything soon if the economy doesnt resume.

I have an issue with the word indefinitely that keeps popping up in people's posts.
Who said the lock down should last forever?
The pandemic is nowhere near under control in Ireland, we are reporting 700 + new cases everyday

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

Exactly - so the article is 0.4% mortlaity rate based on the actions to date.

Its not 0.4% if we had done nothing.

You guys seem to miss this point altogether.

Once again you show yourself up.

I won't bother explaining it to you since you don't understand the difference between a bar and an off licence.

GazzaL

easypazz wrote: »

The harsh reality is that easing the lockdown will be the lesser of 2 evils.

Its just not politically correct to say it.

Just shield the old and vulnerable as best we can.

To be fair, in the real world it's perfectly ok to say that easing the restrictions is needed. Everyone's saying it. It's only on Boards where there's some loopers who shout it down at every opportunity.

Cork Boy 53

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I have an issue with the word indefinitely that keeps popping up in people's posts.
Who said the lock down should last forever?
The pandemic is nowhere near under control in Ireland, we are reporting 700 + new cases everyday

Indeed and Simon Harris has stated himself that that figure is too high and needs to comedown. Also the fact is that positive cases in this country are in reality much higher than the official figures but are not being caught because of lack of sufficient testing to date.

Hearty80

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If a person has a high risk condition, it's understandable that they are way more apprehensive about going back to work.

Absolutely that's why I said she shouldn't go back to work if her health is very bad.

Professor Moriarty

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I have an issue with the word indefinitely that keeps popping up in people's posts.
Who said the lock down should last forever?
The pandemic is nowhere near under control in Ireland, we are reporting 700 + new cases everyday

Which is about 25 deaths.

Hearty80

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I have an issue with the word indefinitely that keeps popping up in people's posts.
Who said the lock down should last forever?
The pandemic is nowhere near under control in Ireland, we are reporting 700 + new cases everyday

700 including old cases from Germany. Even Dr Holohan said it is under control, the peak is over. Thankfully there was no big peak, yes protect the old and vulnerable, everyone else back to work and school.

Cork Boy 53

lord quackinton wrote: »

This will sound arrogant but when then the government decided to lockdown my employer asked me to explain to other non financial employees the likely economic fallout of what is coming.
I refused point blank For 2 reasons
1. Most would not understand it and
2. Those that could grasp it did not deserve to be frightened by what the future holds.

The lockdowners on here don’t truly understand what awaits them.
One insurance broker told me he is jacking it in.
This man has 10 employees and has not told then yet because they are his friends as well as employees.


What is coming is very scary

You are absolutely correct.




You are arrogant.

I don`t know why you don`t offer the government/Dept of Finance etc some insights thanks to your vast store of economic/financial knowledge. I mean it`s not as if they have considered it themselves or anything like that.

celt262

Hearty80 wrote: »

700 including old cases from Germany. Even Dr Holohan said it is under control, the peak is over. Thankfully there was no big peak, yes protect the old and vulnerable, everyone else back to work and school.

The reason it is under control is because of the restrictions lift them and it will be a mess.

Ace2007

Hearty80 wrote: »

700 including old cases from Germany. Even Dr Holohan said it is under control, the peak is over. Thankfully there was no big peak, yes protect the old and vulnerable, everyone else back to work and school.

So Hearty - if come next Wednesday/Thursday we still have 500+ new cases a day and 200 new deaths, will it still be under control?

I said you and other posters would be the first to turn on Dr. Holohan if it turns out, we hit a mini peak, and a much bigger one is around the corner.

I just like everyone else wants to get out of this mess, but reopening everything in large scale as Lord Quack and others have repeatedly called for, could lead to a bigger and worse second wave - and then what do we do?

The same Dr. Holohan said a few days ago he didn't know if schools would open in September. It's strange that you would ignore this comment, but yet based on others he made come to the conclusion it's time to open the schools.

seamusk84

helimachoptor wrote: »

For what it's worth, I was in the local coffee shop (South county Dublin), there's a pub across the road.

The pub owner was speaking with the owner of the coffee shop, he said 'he's been told: phased opening of pubs from 2nd weekend in May but not full/normal occupancy til weekend after June Bank Holiday.
He was complaining that once he's open again he's to pay full rates etc even if he only permitted to have 10% and he was arguing for rates should match the step up % in customers allowed in.

I wasn't involved in the conversation, just listening in.

Great news if true.

Murple

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Not getting your logic. Special needs aside and taking a 16/1 ratio, there are 16 kids are typically in a classroom. If that number is reduced to 8, what's the problem?

I haven't had much to laugh at in the last while but that gave me a good giggle! There are typically 16 children in a classroom? In this country?
Here are some facts about primary classes in Ireland from the school year 2018/2019:
63% of children are in classes of 25 or more, that's 347,500 children.
3 classes in the country had more than 42 children.
23% of children in Cork are in classes of 30 or more.
One school in Dublin had an average of 31.9 children across its 8 classes.
Children in Leinster (area of highest Covid numbers) and Waterford are more likely to be in classes of more than 25.
45% of schools have at least one class of 30 or more (including my own school which has 8 classes of 30 or more with the rest having between 25 and 28 each)

But sure why let facts get in the way!

niallo27

celt262 wrote: »

The reason it is under control is because of the restrictions lift them and it will be a mess.

If we continue social distancing and practise good hygiene and still keep pubs and restaurants shut for a while, I think we can still maintain control over it.

Hearty80

pjohnson wrote: »

They just want someone else to raise their child. You are a free babysitting service to them and as usual they dont give a rats ass about you or anyone else.

Are you for real or do you not live in the real world?? How do you think parents all over the world go to work??? Its because there children are at creche, childminders or school. Would you like parents to take their children to work with them?? Or go back to the 1960's??

frillyleaf

Ace2007 wrote: »

So Hearty - if come next Wednesday/Thursday we still have 500+ new cases a week and 200 new deaths, will it still be under control?

I said you and other posters would be the first to turn on Dr. Holohan if it turns out, we hit a mini peak, and a much bigger one is around the corner.

I just like everyone else wants to get out of this mess, but reopening everything in large scale as Lord Quack and others have repeatedly called for, could lead to a bigger and worse second wave - and then what do we do?

The same Dr. Holohan said a few days ago he didn't know if schools would open in September. It's strange that you would ignore this comment, but yet based on others he made come to the conclusion it's time to open the schools.

The problem is extremely poor communication from our government. Simon Harris is giving interviews to newspapers talking about schools reopening, Dr. Holohan is saying they won’t.

Simon and Leo said it was essential workers being flown in , they are only reviewing restrictions now on advice of CMO.

Completely irresponsible to be giving such conflicting messages

jester77

Murple wrote: »

I haven't had much to laugh at in the last while but that gave me a good giggle! There are typically 16 children in a classroom? In this country?
Here are some facts about primary classes in Ireland from the school year 2018/2019:
63% of children are in classes of 25 or more, that's 347,500 children.
3 classes in the country had more than 42 children.
23% of children in Cork are in classes of 30 or more.
One school in Dublin had an average of 31.9 children across its 8 classes.
Children in Leinster (area of highest Covid numbers) and Waterford are more likely to be in classes of more than 25.
45% of schools have at least one class of 30 or more (including my own school which has 8 classes of 30 or more with the rest having between 25 and 28 each)

But sure why let facts get in the way!

Schools are opening here tomorrow, classes will be divided with no more than 15 in a room. Half the class will work from home, the other half in the school. This will alternate every second day. No getting together during breaks, staggered breaks. Not sure for that will be managed. Some schools will do every other week instead of every other day for their students.

Professor Moriarty

Murple wrote: »

I haven't had much to laugh at in the last while but that gave me a good giggle! There are typically 16 children in a classroom? In this country?
Here are some facts about primary classes in Ireland from the school year 2018/2019:
63% of children are in classes of 25 or more, that's 347,500 children.
3 classes in the country had more than 42 children.
23% of children in Cork are in classes of 30 or more.
One school in Dublin had an average of 31.9 children across its 8 classes.
Children in Leinster (area of highest Covid numbers) and Waterford are more likely to be in classes of more than 25.
45% of schools have at least one class of 30 or more (including my own school which has 8 classes of 30 or more with the rest having between 25 and 28 each)

But sure why let facts get in the way!

Grand.

easypazz

celt262 wrote: »

The reason it is under control is because of the restrictions lift them and it will be a mess.

How long are you proposing?

Hearty80

Ace2007 wrote: »

So Hearty - if come next Wednesday/Thursday we still have 500+ new cases a week and 200 new deaths, will it still be under control?

I said you and other posters would be the first to turn on Dr. Holohan if it turns out, we hit a mini peak, and a much bigger one is around the corner.

I just like everyone else wants to get out of this mess, but reopening everything in large scale as Lord Quack and others have repeatedly called for, could lead to a bigger and worse second wave - and then what do we do?

The same Dr. Holohan said a few days ago he didn't know if schools would open in September. It's strange that you would ignore this comment, but yet based on others he made come to the conclusion it's time to open the schools.

He never actually said anything about September, muppet Tubridy asked him and he answered we will not know anything until May 6th. He never mentioned September. Unfortunately the majority of deaths are in nursing homes, which in my opinion were always horrendous places and an atrocity waiting to happen. My parents both 86 and working away everyday, agree that the country needs to reopen. This was just a temporary measure to insure hospitals weren't overwhelmed.

Cork Boy 53

jester77 wrote: »

Schools are opening here tomorrow, classes will be divided with no more than 15 in a room. Half the class will work from home, the other half in the school. This will alternate every second day. No getting together during breaks, staggered breaks. Not sure for that will be managed. Some schools will do every other week instead of every other day for their students.

Where is here?

Stateofyou

Hearty80 wrote: »

I'm actually very relaxed at home thank you very much. But a dog with a mallet up his arse could understand that its unsustainable to keep everything closed indefinitely.
There's obviously a pandemic that is very much under control in Ireland.
So in another 3 weeks not tomorrow it's time to go back to work.
I have a daughter who has worked full time through all of this in a bank, her boyfriend who she lives with is a gp trainee who works full time in a hospital. So I'm very aware of the health risks to the elderly and unwell. But the economy is a major concern also and there wont be any money to pay anything soon if the economy doesnt resume.

What on EARTH does that even mean. What point does that even illustrate. About as senseless as some of the rest of the stuff you keep posting.
You also like to use the word indefinitely, as do some other posters. Yet I have never seen anyone else say that or even imply that.
There are still people working and paying tax, some sectors have never shut down as you talk about there yourself. Many work from home. The economy didn't shut down.