Relaxation of restrictions

Cupatae · 18-04-2020 04:12PM

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

It's brought up as you are arguing with people who have stated they want a gradually lifting of restrictions, such as Kaiser stated. Yet you picked him out in your comment.

You also keep posing all these awful scenarios should restrictions be lifted, in such a way that it seems you oppose these restrictions being lifted in the first place.

I picked on him because he decided to pyscho evaluate anyone that had an opinion that differed to his, anyone that urged a degree of caution in lifting the restrictions , that there are certainly dangers too lifting them, you can bury your head in the sand if you like about the nasty scenarios doesn't make em go away or less real.

I want the restrictions lifted as much as the next person but it needs to be well though out and mapped.

Ace2007 · 18-04-2020 04:13PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It looks like few of the lockdown nazis deliberately missed the news that we hit our peak 10 days ago.

yawn,

Peak of what exactly? and can you be 100% sure that we have hit the peak, like there is no chance that in 3 weeks time we won't have hit a higher peak?

awec · 18-04-2020 04:13PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

That's above my pay grade. I'm a hurler on the ditch just like the majority here but as I've said all along we need to do everything to support the health service and prevent a tsunami of cases and a Italy type scenerio.

Relaxing restrictions at the start of May isn't the answer. Let's let Sweden and others be the guinea pigs and see where we are say come July.

Having an economy so that people are able to pay taxes to actually fund a health service is pretty important in terms of helping us get over this.

The idea that we can indefinitely fund a health service, pay doctors and nurses, pay for PPE, pay for additional ICU beds, pay for any future covid treatment, purchase any future covid vaccine and pay the 350 covid dole while also funding all the other essential government departments with a half-dead economy is fantasy stuff.

There is a cost to lockdown, an enormous one.

alwald · 18-04-2020 04:14PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It looks like few of the lockdown nazis deliberately missed the news that we hit our peak 10 days ago.

What peak are you referring to (new cases, deaths, ICU cases, hospitalisation,...)?? And what are the next steps in your opinion?

Reganio 2 · 18-04-2020 04:14PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

yawn,

Peak of what exactly? and can you be 100% sure that we have hit the peak, like there is no chance that in 3 weeks time we won't have hit a higher peak?

Well a government official said it yesterday.

WhiteMemento9 · 18-04-2020 04:14PM

Reganio 2 wrote: »

That's all well and good but what about all the people employed at these places? Have they to just go get different jobs, stay on the dole meaning the people paying tax are going to have to pay much more. When do they reopen? Who works in them when all the bar staff go get different jobs.

These are all hard questions. I am outlining why pubs won't open. You are asking about the consequences of that happening. They are different things.

awec · 18-04-2020 04:14PM

alwald wrote: »

What peak are you referring to (new cases, deaths, ICU cases, hospitalisation,...)?? And what are the next steps in your opinion?

Deaths.

GazzaL · 18-04-2020 04:14PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

yawn,

Peak of what exactly? and can you be 100% sure that we have hit the peak, like there is no chance that in 3 weeks time we won't have hit a higher peak?

Go on to RTE.ie and look at what Dr. Tony had to say. There's a graph there as well for people who like pictures.

Ace2007 · 18-04-2020 04:14PM

We can argue all day about pubs - what do people think about gyms - given the mental health positives that getting fit brings to people - do we think these will open anytime soon, or are they going to be a dying business in their current set up?

Strumms · 18-04-2020 04:15PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And a vaccine may or may not arrive for god knows how long and might not even work. Theres going to have to be a balancing act somewhere along the line that life resumes under some sort of normality, WHO have been pretty vocal in saying this over the last week that we can't be paralysed until a vaccine.

Wouldn't like to be the person setting the dates for things to reopen. Your dammed if you and dammed if you dont.

Truth, you have civil liberties and mental health people waffling about easing restrictions... government bow to pressure, how do you feel about liberty when the virus begins running rampant, how is your mental health when you attend the funeral of a loved one or two... this fûckin sucks but it’s necessary. I’d rather we were all short of a bob or two then burying people because certain people can’t sit still and others cannot fathom not earning cash.

alwald · 18-04-2020 04:17PM

awec wrote: »

Deaths.

In which case I suggest that you review the daily deaths over the last 10 days to correct yourself.

Ace2007 · 18-04-2020 04:19PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Go on to RTE.ie and look at what Dr. Tony had to say. There's a graph there as well for people who like pictures.

I know what he said, but the peaks where about death, and that's not something he know for definite.

But regardless the bigger issue is hospitals being over run - have we hit the peak of new cases? have we hit peak on ICU entry? have we hit the peak of nursing home death, nursing home infections, healthcare infections?

Again it's another poster, sharing information - and given people a false sense of hope that we are out of this, when in reality we are no where near.

awec · 18-04-2020 04:20PM

alwald wrote: »

In which case I suggest that you review the daily deaths over the last 10 days to correct yourself.

I think you might be the one needing to review the data

I’d suggest you go read the data released today before posting further.

GazzaL · 18-04-2020 04:21PM

Strumms wrote: »

Truth, you have civil liberties and mental health people waffling about easing restrictions... government bow to pressure, how do you feel about liberty when the virus begins running rampant, how is your mental health when you attend the funeral of a loved one or two... this fûckin sucks but it’s necessary. I’d rather we were all short of a bob or two then burying people because certain people can’t sit still and others cannot fathom not earning cash.

We had our peak 10 days ago. R0 is below 1. All the metrics point towards the essential easing of restrictions. Most people don't want to compound the Coronavirus tragedy with another tragedy when people's lives are destroyed socially and economically, which will result in even more deaths.

stephenjmcd · 18-04-2020 04:21PM

Portugal the next country to start looking at coming out of lockdown
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0418/1132310-compulsory-masks-and-beach-controls-mooted-in-portugal/

alwald · 18-04-2020 04:21PM

awec wrote: »

I think you might be the one needing to review the data

I’d suggest you go read the data released today before posting further.

Yep I just seen the corrected figures...it wasn't updated on the website I was checking.
Nonetheless we can't rely on that figure alone can we??

18-04-2020 04:22PM

awec wrote: »

Deaths.

We could find out next week that twenty died yesterday surely?

Idbatterim · 18-04-2020 04:22PM

awec wrote: »

Having an economy so that people are able to pay taxes to actually fund a health service is pretty important in terms of helping us get over this.

The idea that we can indefinitely fund a health service, pay doctors and nurses, pay for PPE, pay for additional ICU beds, pay for any future covid treatment, purchase any future covid vaccine and pay the 350 covid dole while also funding all the other essential government departments with a half-dead economy is fantasy stuff.

There is a cost to lockdown, an enormous one.

the lockdown nazis, when cost is mentioned, see $€£! this is taking a serious toll on peoples mental health too! Imagine how **** a situation some people are in, working from home with a few kids etc?

stuck in house shares or apartments with people 24/7 , its awful!

GazzaL · 18-04-2020 04:23PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I know what he said, but the peaks where about death, and that's not something he know for definite.

But regardless the bigger issue is hospitals being over run - have we hit the peak of new cases? have we hit peak on ICU entry? have we hit the peak of nursing home death, nursing home infections, healthcare infections?

Again it's another poster, sharing information - and given people a false sense of hope that we are out of this, when in reality we are no where near.

He does know for definite, he's got the statistics, he shared those with the public. It's right there in the article.

Reganio 2 · 18-04-2020 04:23PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I know what he said, but the peaks where about death, and that's not something he know for definite.

But regardless the bigger issue is hospitals being over run - have we hit the peak of new cases? have we hit peak on ICU entry? have we hit the peak of nursing home death, nursing home infections, healthcare infections?

Again it's another poster, sharing information - and given people a false sense of hope that we are out of this, when in reality we are no where near.

This was my point when I came in this thread. A government official came out and said we have reached the peak is idiotic. What's that going to encourage people to do. Like when they said it dosent effect youngsters, what was that ever going to achieve. No point in saying posters shouldn't saying this when it's a government official saying it.

Ace2007 · 18-04-2020 04:23PM

awec wrote: »

I think you might be the one needing to review the data

I’d suggest you go read the data released today before posting further.

Is this a direct moderator order or back seat modding? For a moderate to be doing this would be quite a serious offence?

GazzaL · 18-04-2020 04:25PM

Reganio 2 wrote: »

This was my point when I came in this thread. A government official came out and said we have reached the peak is idiotic. What's that going to encourage people to do. Like when they said it dosent effect youngsters, what was that ever going to achieve. No point in saying posters shouldn't saying this when it's a government official saying it.

I think the lockdown nazis are a disgrace for ignoring the HSE and the Government, and for trying to mislead people.

Reganio 2 · 18-04-2020 04:26PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Is this a direct moderator order or back seat modding? For a moderate to be doing this would be quite a serious offence?

It would be in bold if it was a warning or some such. Grow up and stop nitpicking.

Reganio 2 · 18-04-2020 04:26PM

GazzaL wrote: »

I think the lockdown nazis are a disgrace for ignoring the HSE and the Government, and for trying to mislead people.

And you sound like an idiot calling them lockdown nazis.

Ace2007 · 18-04-2020 04:26PM

GazzaL wrote: »

He does know for definite, he's got the statistics, he shared those with the public. It's right there in the article.

So he knows for 100% fact that less than 45 people are going to die in anyone day from the virus any time in the future?

I feel many posters will dig out that recording if next week or the week after the death rate is higher than reported.

Stats can prove anything you want them to prove.

CtevenSrowder · 18-04-2020 04:27PM

Cupatae wrote: »

I picked on him because he decided to pyscho evaluate anyone that had an opinion that differed to his, anyone that urged a degree of caution in lifting the restrictions , that there are certainly dangers too lifting them, you can bury your head in the sand if you like about the nasty scenarios doesn't make em go away or less real.

I want the restrictions lifted as much as the next person but it needs to be well though out and mapped.

So when roughly do you think the restrictions should begin to be lifted? And please, don't hide behind the "I'm not an expert excuse".

niallo27 · 18-04-2020 04:29PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

We can argue all day about pubs - what do people think about gyms - given the mental health positives that getting fit brings to people - do we think these will open anytime soon, or are they going to be a dying business in their current set up?

I would think pubs would be actually safer than gyms, now saying that usually gyms are full of healthier younger people where as pubs have every sort of person from 18 to 98, healthy and unhealthy.

alwald · 18-04-2020 04:30PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

So he knows for 100% fact that less than 45 people are going to die in anyone day from the virus any time in the future?

I feel many posters will dig out that recording if next week or the week after the death rate is higher than reported.

Stats can prove anything you want them to prove.

Nevermind some posters here as they look at a graph without interpretation and they don't even read the full content of the article:

Dr Holohan said, however, this cannot be yet interpreted as a real drop off in mortality.

"That could be just a delay in the notification of those deaths. We have to wait to understand this. There is always a time lag between incident numbers, admission to hospitals and then mortality."

Xertz · 18-04-2020 04:30PM

The issue is that relaxation of restrictions will have to be very gentle or we will just undo all the slog we’ve just put in by having these restrictions.

This thing moves exponentially up and down.

We can’t afford a spike and ending up having to return to “lockdown” scenarios again and being on an endless loop of that until we get to a vaccine.

Obviously you can have some relaxing of restrictions and return to normality but but with very, very serious precautions.

A lot of things, especially big gatherings aren’t practically possible without vaccines in place and you’re still looking at serious social distancing for quite some time to come.

We need to prioritise what is necessary to reopen and not rush to throw open summer festivals and sporting events etc.

Also the schools do not need to reopen until September. Support the LC students by all means, but opening say Junior Infants would be insane. It wouldn’t achieve anything and they won’t be able to socially distance.

Caution is needed.

I mean from a technical point of view, nothing has changed since early March. We haven’t a vaccine and most people probably haven’t been infected by this, so we are every bit as vulnerable and it’s our there in the community.

Masala · 18-04-2020 04:30PM

Question....son laid off 3 weeks ago and is sharing a house in Cork with fellow employees. They just self isolating and watchin* Netflix and zoom chats etc.

He now asking about comin* home ....to Around 100 Kim’s away. can he get on a Bus Eireann and come home. I see the Buses running.... is there any restrictions on taking them??

What about driving down to collect him.....? He quite clear that he has been careful over pass 3 weeks and has no problem in self isolating again when home. We as parents Not worried that he could risk bring home the virus.

Thoughts

Relaxation of restrictions

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