CtevenSrowder wrote: » It's brought up as you are arguing with people who have stated they want a gradually lifting of restrictions, such as Kaiser stated. Yet you picked him out in your comment. You also keep posing all these awful scenarios should restrictions be lifted, in such a way that it seems you oppose these restrictions being lifted in the first place.
GazzaL wrote: » It looks like few of the lockdown nazis deliberately missed the news that we hit our peak 10 days ago.
BanditLuke wrote: » That's above my pay grade. I'm a hurler on the ditch just like the majority here but as I've said all along we need to do everything to support the health service and prevent a tsunami of cases and a Italy type scenerio. Relaxing restrictions at the start of May isn't the answer. Let's let Sweden and others be the guinea pigs and see where we are say come July.
Ace2007 wrote: » yawn, Peak of what exactly? and can you be 100% sure that we have hit the peak, like there is no chance that in 3 weeks time we won't have hit a higher peak?
Reganio 2 wrote: » That's all well and good but what about all the people employed at these places? Have they to just go get different jobs, stay on the dole meaning the people paying tax are going to have to pay much more. When do they reopen? Who works in them when all the bar staff go get different jobs.
alwald wrote: » What peak are you referring to (new cases, deaths, ICU cases, hospitalisation,...)?? And what are the next steps in your opinion?
stephenjmcd wrote: » And a vaccine may or may not arrive for god knows how long and might not even work. Theres going to have to be a balancing act somewhere along the line that life resumes under some sort of normality, WHO have been pretty vocal in saying this over the last week that we can't be paralysed until a vaccine. Wouldn't like to be the person setting the dates for things to reopen. Your dammed if you and dammed if you dont.
awec wrote: » Deaths.
GazzaL wrote: » Go on to RTE.ie and look at what Dr. Tony had to say. There's a graph there as well for people who like pictures.
alwald wrote: » In which case I suggest that you review the daily deaths over the last 10 days to correct yourself.
Strumms wrote: » Truth, you have civil liberties and mental health people waffling about easing restrictions... government bow to pressure, how do you feel about liberty when the virus begins running rampant, how is your mental health when you attend the funeral of a loved one or two... this fûckin sucks but it’s necessary. I’d rather we were all short of a bob or two then burying people because certain people can’t sit still and others cannot fathom not earning cash.
awec wrote: » I think you might be the one needing to review the data I’d suggest you go read the data released today before posting further.
awec wrote: » Having an economy so that people are able to pay taxes to actually fund a health service is pretty important in terms of helping us get over this. The idea that we can indefinitely fund a health service, pay doctors and nurses, pay for PPE, pay for additional ICU beds, pay for any future covid treatment, purchase any future covid vaccine and pay the 350 covid dole while also funding all the other essential government departments with a half-dead economy is fantasy stuff. There is a cost to lockdown, an enormous one.
Ace2007 wrote: » I know what he said, but the peaks where about death, and that's not something he know for definite. But regardless the bigger issue is hospitals being over run - have we hit the peak of new cases? have we hit peak on ICU entry? have we hit the peak of nursing home death, nursing home infections, healthcare infections? Again it's another poster, sharing information - and given people a false sense of hope that we are out of this, when in reality we are no where near.
Reganio 2 wrote: » This was my point when I came in this thread. A government official came out and said we have reached the peak is idiotic. What's that going to encourage people to do. Like when they said it dosent effect youngsters, what was that ever going to achieve. No point in saying posters shouldn't saying this when it's a government official saying it.
Ace2007 wrote: » Is this a direct moderator order or back seat modding? For a moderate to be doing this would be quite a serious offence?
GazzaL wrote: » I think the lockdown nazis are a disgrace for ignoring the HSE and the Government, and for trying to mislead people.
GazzaL wrote: » He does know for definite, he's got the statistics, he shared those with the public. It's right there in the article.
Cupatae wrote: » I picked on him because he decided to pyscho evaluate anyone that had an opinion that differed to his, anyone that urged a degree of caution in lifting the restrictions , that there are certainly dangers too lifting them, you can bury your head in the sand if you like about the nasty scenarios doesn't make em go away or less real. I want the restrictions lifted as much as the next person but it needs to be well though out and mapped.
Ace2007 wrote: » We can argue all day about pubs - what do people think about gyms - given the mental health positives that getting fit brings to people - do we think these will open anytime soon, or are they going to be a dying business in their current set up?
Ace2007 wrote: » So he knows for 100% fact that less than 45 people are going to die in anyone day from the virus any time in the future? I feel many posters will dig out that recording if next week or the week after the death rate is higher than reported. Stats can prove anything you want them to prove.
