Strumms wrote: » Truth, you have civil liberties and mental health people waffling about easing restrictions... government bow to pressure, how do you feel about liberty when the virus begins running rampant, how is your mental health when you attend the funeral of a loved one or two... this fûckin sucks but it’s necessary. I’d rather we were all short of a bob or two then burying people because certain people can’t sit still and others cannot fathom not earning cash.
alwald wrote: » In which case I suggest that you review the daily deaths over the last 10 days to correct yourself.
GazzaL wrote: » Go on to RTE.ie and look at what Dr. Tony had to say. There's a graph there as well for people who like pictures.
awec wrote: » Deaths.
stephenjmcd wrote: » And a vaccine may or may not arrive for god knows how long and might not even work. Theres going to have to be a balancing act somewhere along the line that life resumes under some sort of normality, WHO have been pretty vocal in saying this over the last week that we can't be paralysed until a vaccine. Wouldn't like to be the person setting the dates for things to reopen. Your dammed if you and dammed if you dont.
Ace2007 wrote: » yawn, Peak of what exactly? and can you be 100% sure that we have hit the peak, like there is no chance that in 3 weeks time we won't have hit a higher peak?
alwald wrote: » What peak are you referring to (new cases, deaths, ICU cases, hospitalisation,...)?? And what are the next steps in your opinion?
Reganio 2 wrote: » That's all well and good but what about all the people employed at these places? Have they to just go get different jobs, stay on the dole meaning the people paying tax are going to have to pay much more. When do they reopen? Who works in them when all the bar staff go get different jobs.
GazzaL wrote: » It looks like few of the lockdown nazis deliberately missed the news that we hit our peak 10 days ago.
BanditLuke wrote: » That's above my pay grade. I'm a hurler on the ditch just like the majority here but as I've said all along we need to do everything to support the health service and prevent a tsunami of cases and a Italy type scenerio. Relaxing restrictions at the start of May isn't the answer. Let's let Sweden and others be the guinea pigs and see where we are say come July.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » It's brought up as you are arguing with people who have stated they want a gradually lifting of restrictions, such as Kaiser stated. Yet you picked him out in your comment. You also keep posing all these awful scenarios should restrictions be lifted, in such a way that it seems you oppose these restrictions being lifted in the first place.
Blueshoe wrote: » Once the economy is opened back up every tax payer should receive a 500 it 1000 euro helicopter money payment to go out and spend. Give the economy a boot up the arse to get it moving again
WhiteMemento9 wrote: » This is one of the very reasons the pubs need to remain closed. It is one of many. Alcohol adds a degree of complexity to the equation that can't be solved for pubs.
LiquidZeb wrote: » So what's the plan when the government ends the €350 per week and companies go bust and the health service cant operate because there's no money. Eventually telling people to stay at home and shut up will wear thin. Plenty of people here have elderly and sick relations so don't talk as if you're some holy Joe with a monopoly on compassion.
Blueshoe wrote: » This is unfortunately true. Some kind of campaign about supporting Irish businesses and people. We are in this together etc would be needed. Might help
JPCN1 wrote: » Neither then are barbers, dentists, taxi's, public transport, air travel.... At some stage we have to get all these working again.
Cupatae wrote: » On the flip side the only people I've seen mentioning the indefinite lockdown is yourself and people like you, I've yet to see a poster say they want an indefinite lockdown yet ye keep bringing it up ha The questions I asked were legitimate but they couldn't answer them so they were dismissed as hyperbolic I take that as a win.
Reganio 2 wrote: » That's the big one, all kind of rosy at the moment with people getting a grand set of money a week. But when that 350 stops in 5 weeks (I think) what happens then. People arent going to be happy sitting there on just job seekers money or whatever they decide to do. Basically most jobs are going to have to reopen as soon as this 350 dries up, simple as that.
BanditLuke wrote: » They'll be disappearing when the hospitals are over run with cases if the current soft lockdown is lifted. "Sure its only old people" after all. It'll be the gubbermints fault then.
Reganio 2 wrote: » I agree. I hope to a certain extent people do change things. But also worry that people are creatures of habit. How long till all of the procedures just owly fade away and then we are pretty much back to normal.
Reganio 2 wrote: » But if they do it like other businesses with less seating or people coming in or whatever why couldn't they? The reason it's a good enough excuse is because people need to get back to normality earning money and pubs arent just pubs half of them can be called restaurants if they wanted, which people will be crying to be open again. Lots of places are crammed like pubs but will be reopened before pubs and people wont say a thing.
JPCN1 wrote: » It'll be spent on cheap tat from China though and clothes made by virtual slaves. Maybe a rethink about how and who we do business with...
Idbatterim wrote: » can you clarify who is a tax payer? like would it be margaret cash, because she pays VAT? or do you mean the currently employed and recently unemployed? theyll be giving many of the long term wasters, a christmas bonus in december, to be pissed up against a wall, snorted up the nose, bookies etc. No probelm with your suggestion, once the wasters dont get it
Blueshoe wrote: » No problem. It will be supporting jobs and the gov will ultimately get it back in vat. Also when you wake up in bits and maybe head for a roll or coffee you will still be supporting jobs and gov collecting the vat back. Your choice. Spend away
