Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Strumms · 12-04-2020 03:38PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Self improvement and getting fit during the lock-down !

https://twitter.com/i/status/1242550819875999744

Wow, that’s a seriously nice kitchen.

political analyst · 12-04-2020 03:38PM

Laura Perrins (née McGowan), co-founder of the website The Conservative Woman, tweeted earlier today:

When this madness ends, and we understand the lockdown will kill more than the virus I want her press conferences continued.
I want the announcement of: unemployment, debt, domestic violence figures, suicide figures, business closures.
Every single day.

Tippex · 12-04-2020 03:38PM

easypazz wrote: »

Doctor Trump keeps banging on about a 15 minute test result developed by tremendous American scientists and manufactured by brilliant American companies, but other than that nobody else seems to believe in it.

The UK had ordered something like 17m kits and admitted about 10 days ago they did not work sufficiently cannot remember where I had seen it

wakka12 · 12-04-2020 03:40PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Let's not throw random numbers around without context, there have been 253 in ICU, There aren't all currently in there now.

According to worldometres there are 194 currently in ICU in Ireland. Though I dont know how up to date worldometres data is on this

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 03:41PM

raclle wrote: »

This was my thinking. I know we need the economy up and running asap but this will have all been for nothing otherwise.

I wonder if perhaps sometime in the future they just say f**k it there's no way of stopping or controlling this virus and continue as normal.

How can restrictions be eased?

Shouldn't we be reducing the infections by identifying cases, isolating and contact tracing? Our testing is a mess, I really don't see a reduction in numbers by may 5th. If numbers keep increasing, there's no lifting restrictions.

Phoebas · 12-04-2020 03:41PM

Tippex wrote: »

The UK had ordered something like 17m kits and admitted about 10 days ago they did not work sufficiently cannot remember where I had seen it

Cillian De Gascun was on Newstalk this morning and was asked about this test - said it may become some part of our testing strategy, but it had a problem that it 'didn't scale'.
Not sure what was meant by this - presumably the production of the test wasn't scaleable for widespread use.

Duke of Url · 12-04-2020 03:42PM

Yesterday I saw a count on 115 in ICU.

Professor Moriarty · 12-04-2020 03:42PM

Tippex wrote: »

The UK had ordered something like 17m kits and admitted about 10 days ago they did not work sufficiently cannot remember where I had seen it

Here you go.

Coyote · 12-04-2020 03:43PM

Seanachai wrote: »

https://youtu.be/6GzhYqAA5XU

just take the url from the address bar in the browser don't use the quick link

kilkenny31 · 12-04-2020 03:45PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How can restrictions be eased?

Shouldn't we be reducing the infections by identifying cases, isolating and contact tracing? Our testing is a mess, I really don't see a reduction in numbers by may 5th. If numbers keep increasing, there's no lifting restrictions.

Depends on what you mean by reduction in numbers. If our new daily cases went down to say less than 200 per day and deaths were around 20‐30 Thay probably would be ok to lift some restrictions. I see this taoiseach is saying the peak is most likely to be the end of the month .

Ace2007 · 12-04-2020 03:45PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How can restrictions be eased?

Shouldn't we be reducing the infections by identifying cases, isolating and contact tracing? Our testing is a mess, I really don't see a reduction in numbers by may 5th. If numbers keep increasing, there's no lifting restrictions.

The number of positive cases, isn't necessarily an issue, like if had 100,000 more confirmed cases, and only 2,000 of them needed treatment in a hospital that would be fantastic, compared to have 20,000 more cases and say 1,000 needing treatment.

The most important numbers are how many need hospital care at any one time, and also need ICU at any one time. I haven't seen those figures - all we see is how many have been in hospital - approx 22%.

Strazdas · 12-04-2020 03:46PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Here you go.

According to that, proper blood testing would be needed, not those home kits.

There still seems to be a lot of concern also that the antibody route may be a false dawn.

Professor Moriarty · 12-04-2020 03:48PM

Strazdas wrote: »

According to that, proper blood testing would be needed, not those home kits.

There still seems to be a lot of concern also that the antibody route may be a false dawn.

Absolutely. Unreliable testing would just exacerbate the problem.

spookwoman · 12-04-2020 03:50PM

very valid point
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1249332636771901440?s=20

munsterlegend · 12-04-2020 03:51PM

Tippex wrote: »

The UK had ordered something like 17m kits and admitted about 10 days ago they did not work sufficiently cannot remember where I had seen it

Yeah saw that too.

Rob A. Bank · 12-04-2020 03:51PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 12 April 2020 @ 08:00 hrs.

novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-04-12.png?itok=MZA8tcUV

novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-04-12.png?itok=MZA8tcUV

A stuttering plateau in the infection curve with a slight downward trend in daily cases in Europe, as the UK adds more cases to the total.

Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

bodhrandude · 12-04-2020 03:55PM

I found the charity to that can directly help the Sierra Leone Covid campaign called Medecine Sans Frontieres - MSF which has a drop down list of countries and I implore some of you to do the same, all I could donate was 20 Euro but hopefully it helps their cause. I can't imagine a country with only two ventilators to cope with this crisis. Here is the MSF website. https://donate.msf.org/thankyou.php

Strazdas · 12-04-2020 03:56PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Cillian De Gascun was on Newstalk this morning and was asked about this test - said it may become some part of our testing strategy, but it had a problem that it 'didn't scale'.
Not sure what was meant by this - presumably the production of the test wasn't scaleable for widespread use.

Dr Cillian says he is also expecting 5000 to 7000 tests per day this week, perhaps within the next 48 hours.

Should be very interesting to see how this impacts on the new cases daily total.

Seamie12345 · 12-04-2020 04:04PM

spookwoman wrote: »

very valid point

This is absolutely a truth.
My mother is in a nursing home having had to be moved there permanently at the beginning of March having (miraculously) come through double pneumonia after fabulous care in hospital where they gave her every single chance to recover in spite of tremendous odds and a number of other underlying conditions.
With an accompanying heart condition, the nursing home have already contacted me directly to say that should she contract the virus (no cases in the home currently or to date), then she would not be going to hospital.
Not an easy phonecall for them to make but I understand the reasoning (in her particular situation at least)

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-04-2020 04:04PM

spookwoman wrote: »

very valid point
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1249332636771901440?s=20

That is a good point. I think many people don’t understand how ugly ICU can be. Aggressive intervention should happen if the patient has a real shot at survival but do we want to spend the dying moments of somebody’s life breaking ribs or trying to intubate them? DNRs tend to get painted negatively but they do serve a useful purpose. I want to sign one.

JP Liz V1 · 12-04-2020 04:10PM

Seamie12345 wrote: »

This is absolutely a truth.
My mother is in a nursing home having had to be moved there permanently at the beginning of March having (miraculously) come through double pneumonia after fabulous care in hospital where they gave her every single chance to recover in spite of tremendous odds and a number of other underlying conditions.
With an accompanying heart condition, the nursing home have already contacted me directly to say that should she contract the virus (no cases in the home currently or to date), then she would not be going to hospital.
Not an easy phonecall for them to make but I understand the reasoning (in her particular situation at least)

I would have thought it would be the families, next of kin decision ultimately

Kermit.de.frog · 12-04-2020 04:11PM

Italy reports 4,092 new cases and 431 new deaths (down from 619 yesterday).

Kermit.de.frog · 12-04-2020 04:13PM

New York reports 758 new deaths in 24 hours but rate of hospitalisation remained low by recent standards yesterday.

JP Liz V1 · 12-04-2020 04:15PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Dr Cillian says he is also expecting 5000 to 7000 tests per day this week, perhaps within the next 48 hours.

Should be very interesting to see how this impacts on the new cases daily total.

And probably another month then for results, the maximum wait for results needs to be about 3 or 4 days only

ACitizenErased · 12-04-2020 04:19PM

What time should we expect numbers tonight? I didn't see yesterday's ones at the time because I was busy.

stephenjmcd · 12-04-2020 04:19PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Italy reports 4,092 new cases and 431 new deaths (down from 619 yesterday).

Lowest death toll since 19th March also.

Rob A. Bank · 12-04-2020 04:20PM

Following the publicity earlier this week about the burying the numerous poor Covid-19 victims in plague pits on Hart Island in New York, I found this earlier Australian report about the island. Approx one million bodies disposed of without ceremony in mass graves and forgotten about, continuously since the 19th century.

It is not easy viewing.

Ce he sin · 12-04-2020 04:20PM

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Corriere Della Sera saying that in Treviso, for the first three months of 2020, hospital deaths are in line with previous years.

Corvid19 deaths in Italy were numerous only for the last two of those thirteen weeks.

You're obviously suggesting that the people who died would have died in those three months anyway and we should just ignore the whole thing and get on with our lives.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-04-2020 04:21PM

A note of caution on UK death figures produced over the bank holiday weekend where 737 new deaths were announced today...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2020/apr/12/coronavirus-live-news-nhs-staff-deaths-boris-johnson-latest-updates

Reacting to the death toll update from No 10, James Naismith, Director of the Rosalind Franklin Institute and University of Oxford, emphasised that the lowered rise in deaths reported today were likely down to delayed reporting.

“Based on experience of previous weeks, today’s lower number could well arise from reporting delays due to the weekend and bank holiday,” he said. “If so there may be higher daily numbers next week as delayed reported deaths end up in future announcements.

“The UK, with over 10,000 deaths, is one of the worst hit countries in Europe. Even this number is an underestimate due to lags in reporting and counting only hospital deaths. We are not in a macabre competition with other countries, every death, here or elsewhere, leaves a grieving family. We are only approaching the end of the beginning.”

Naismith added that, he expected the government, before it was taking the next steps, “to take and share the most up to date advice from a range of experts across all relevant fields, to identify what we can do better and to see what lessons from elsewhere can be applied here in time to make a difference.”

This could be applied to a lot of places i'd have thought.

anewme · 12-04-2020 04:21PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I would have thought it would be the families, next of kin decision ultimately

Our Dad is in a home and DNR options(inc various scenarios) are part of the quarterly care plan. This is reviewed on a quarterly basis and signed off by both medical team and family. It is far easier to process and come to a decision during a friendly chat over a coffee. The medical team have been extremely kind with these reviews and advice. I feel for families to be facing this now for the first time, in the midst of all this for the first time, must be scary.

The medical team will offer guidance, but ultimately, it is the family's decision.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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